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sandorski

No Lifer
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re:Hard work

When we(humans) were Hunter/Gatherers hard work was almost a guarantee of Wealth. Without it you might starve. Even then there were some factors beyond one's control, though those factors would likely affect all your neighbours as well. The Weather, Wild life populations, or Disease were the main factors beyond our control. In our limited understanding we developed concepts such as "God(s)" and /or Blame(for upsetting "God(s)") for causing the circumstances out of our control to lack of Wealth despite Hard Work or the willingness to Work Hard.

Hard Work is still an important part of acquiring Wealth from nothing, but the uncontrollable factors for most of us in the First World are much different than those from Hunter/Gatherers. Certainly drought or Disease still could undermine our Wealth, but for the most part we are able to control the effects of those factors. We do, however, have some unique factors that undermine Hard Work as the sole means of achieving Wealth. Some of those are Poor Parenting(lack of instilling good Values), lack of Education, Health issues(Physical Illness, Mental Illness and Addiction being main factors), and even the initial Wealth of Parents(affects all previous points) can mitigate the positive affects of Hard Work.

To a large extent our(First World) Societies control the effects of those factors. From Public Schools, to various forms of Welfare, to Charities, to Psychology/Psychiatry, to Drug/Alcohol Treatment programs, to even the old concept born from our Hunter/Gatherer stage, Religion. All of these help to keep a level playing field and to make Hard Work the main difference, to varying degrees of success.

One factor that has always existed though is just plain old Good Luck. That is being at the right place at the right time. A few people can foresee something and act upon it, thus creating their own Luck, but for many(perhaps most) Good Luck is merely the random discovering of the herd(Hunter/Gatherer) or the discovering of an important Person(today).

All that said and to reinforce others: Hard Work is still important and even if it doesn't make you "Rich", it will give you a comfortable existence the vast majority of the time.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head human resources/payroll for a company to paying $2500/month to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.

Of course I've had hard times when I couldnt put anything away. We all have. I've lost 2 401k's due to companies closing along with their self managed investments. Boo hoo poor me.

But I doubt you have lived your whole life on 500 bucks a week. If you have, then yeah it sucks. But that certainly isnt true for alot of people that whine.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

The why is efficiency. Because you could work hard at something that has no benefit to society. You could spend all day every day digging a hole only to fill it back up again. Why should society reward you for that no matter how hard you worked?

But Jesus came to tell us that we value what is useless and that the sparrow toils not neither does it want. We have a system in which a pitifully small range of human potential is rewarded and therefore cultivated and the whole of humanity is shoehorned into a psychologically damaging competitive form of life. The disease of modern life will progress and progress until the day some disgruntled teenager creates a a nano molecular disassembler and turns the planet into dust. He will bring a whole new meaning to 'value'.

Why should somebody get rich mining my gold and cutting down my oak and maple. What absurdity makes they think it belongs to them? Humanity lives as a disease and a cancer in total disharmony with nature. We sh!t in our children's pond. The day will come when our children become so insane they will end their madness out of pain. Dust is dust is dust is dust and dust is equal.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week and that went on for several years. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head of human resources/payroll for a company that was paying her $2500/month (making more then me) to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

We never wasted our money either.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.
Holy sob-stories batman!

I'm sure if we knew the entire story, we'd be able to point out which choices were your own.

If it wasn't your fault, then whose fault was it? Let's play the Blame Game!!
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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1
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head human resources/payroll for a company to paying $2500/month to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.

Of course I've had hard times when I couldnt put anything away. We all have. I've lost 2 401k's due to companies closing along with their self managed investments. Boo hoo poor me.

But I doubt you have lived your whole life on 500 bucks a week. If you have, then yeah it sucks. But that certainly isnt true for alot of people that whine.

My wife worked her way up to that position. Life was sweet for the 2 years it lasted, we even managed to go on a vacation to Disneyland for a week. But other then that, I can tell you that we've lived a very frugal life and still do.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week and that went on for several years. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head of human resources/payroll for a company that was paying her $2500/month (making more then me) to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

We never wasted our money either.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.
Holy sob-stories batman!

I'm sure if we knew the entire story, we'd be able to point out which choices were your own.

If it wasn't your fault, then whose fault was it?

Yeah, I can tell you exactly when I made a bad choice. They were gunning for me at work and one of the supervisors came up and was accusing me of something (falsely) and I tried to explain it to him 3 times, but he kept cutting me off. He was literally screaming at me so bad that he was spitting in my face and I lost it and told him off. 2 hours later I was fired.

I should have been smarter then that, but I have a very bad temper and things tend to get ugly when I lose it.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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0
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week and that went on for several years. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head of human resources/payroll for a company that was paying her $2500/month (making more then me) to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

We never wasted our money either.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.
Holy sob-stories batman!

I'm sure if we knew the entire story, we'd be able to point out which choices were your own.

If it wasn't your fault, then whose fault was it?

Yeah, I can tell you exactly when I made a bad choice. They were gunning for me at work and one of the supervisors came up and was accusing me of something (falsely) and I tried to explain it to him 3 times. He was literally screaming at me so bad that he was spitting in my face and I lost it and told him off. 2 hours later I was fired.

I should have been smarter then that, but I have a very bad temper and things tend to get ugly when I lose it.
We'd have to go MUCH farther back in time to address the decisions that I'm referring to... the story about your boss is irrelevant and merely represents the end result of previous poor decisions...

ps: it's never too late to start over or try again... just ask Lance Armstrong.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head human resources/payroll for a company to paying $2500/month to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.

Of course I've had hard times when I couldnt put anything away. We all have. I've lost 2 401k's due to companies closing along with their self managed investments. Boo hoo poor me.

But I doubt you have lived your whole life on 500 bucks a week. If you have, then yeah it sucks. But that certainly isnt true for alot of people that whine.

My wife worked her way up to that position. Life was sweet for the 2 years it lasted, we even managed to go on a vacation to Disneyland for a week. But other then that, I can tell you that we've lived a very frugal life and still do.

What I don't understand is why you are not rich. You are far more wise than most that post here. You have far more compassion. You are a really fine human being. I guess there isn't a market for your kind of value. How odd.

A long long time ago a man came driving down my street. I was waiting for him. I had my cowboy hat on, my chaps and my double holsters and guns. I was 7. I shot him as he drove by and watched him collapse across the steering wheel. Because of him I try to be awake around children. To sleep is to know nothing of value.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week and that went on for several years. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head of human resources/payroll for a company that was paying her $2500/month (making more then me) to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

We never wasted our money either.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.
Holy sob-stories batman!

I'm sure if we knew the entire story, we'd be able to point out which choices were your own.

If it wasn't your fault, then whose fault was it?

Yeah, I can tell you exactly when I made a bad choice. They were gunning for me at work and one of the supervisors came up and was accusing me of something (falsely) and I tried to explain it to him 3 times. He was literally screaming at me so bad that he was spitting in my face and I lost it and told him off. 2 hours later I was fired.

I should have been smarter then that, but I have a very bad temper and things tend to get ugly when I lose it.
We'd have to go MUCH farther back in time to address the decisions that I'm referring to... the story about your boss is irrelevant and merely represents the end result of previous poor decisions...

ps: it's never too late to start over or try again... just ask Lance Armstrong.

Why, I was doing fine until my body wore out and was costing the company too much in health care.

I used to believe that hard work was good for you. I guess that's what I was rasied to beleive, but experience has taught me otherwise. Once coporate america gets the goodie out of you they will send you packing.

Of course you gubment employess don't have to worry too much about that, you just like to sit back and complain about how the private sector pays so much better. ;)

 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: charrison

That all depends on the decisions made. Hard work may not guarantee wealth, but not working will guarantee poverty.

Right here is where I have a problem with the system. If you can't achieve finacial security via hard work, then why work hard? So you can go to an early grave??

Been there, done that.

What a load of crap.

Now, Im not saying EVERYONE will be multi-millionaires if they work hard, but dont fool yourselves in thinking that non-inherited wealth is easily attainable. It requires decades of 60-100 hour work weeks. It requires discipline that frankly most of us dont have. Many people who attain this wealth do so at the expense of family and friends.

That said...

It is absolute IGNORANCE that people retire broke. There are two ways to get financially comfortable: alot of money and a little time, or a little money and alot of time. Most of us fall into the latter category. If we taught our children the power of investing and compund interest at an early age, we would be much better off. I was VERY fortunate that I learned when I was in my early 20's, working as a waiter, taking home 150/week. I always found a way to put away at least $25/mo. Not doing so is pure laziness. Saving is a habit, not luck.

Let me give you an example: $50/mo thrown into a mediocre mutual fund, yielding 12% per year (which is very very common) over 35 years will net you over $328,000. That doesnt include putting away a percentage of gifts, or lump sums every now and then.

The bottem line is...it is no ones responsibility to secure your financial future EXCEPT YOU. Not doing so is also YOUR CHOICE. Quit making excuses how its the Repub's or Dem's fault. IT'S YOURS.

LOL, I can remember when my wife got sick we were down to our last $5 every fricking week and that went on for several years. The only reason we survived is my wife got on SS disability. It sucks, she went from a job as head of human resources/payroll for a company that was paying her $2500/month (making more then me) to $500/month.

As soon as she got on disability, I went in and had both my shoulders reconstructed. I went back to work and within 2 years i had to have both my knees scoped. then I hurt my back and guess what. 2 weeks later I was fired.

We never wasted our money either.

All I can say is I'd like to see you go through what I have and then come preach to me about how it's all MY fault. Until then your just spouting hot air.
Holy sob-stories batman!

I'm sure if we knew the entire story, we'd be able to point out which choices were your own.

If it wasn't your fault, then whose fault was it?

Yeah, I can tell you exactly when I made a bad choice. They were gunning for me at work and one of the supervisors came up and was accusing me of something (falsely) and I tried to explain it to him 3 times. He was literally screaming at me so bad that he was spitting in my face and I lost it and told him off. 2 hours later I was fired.

I should have been smarter then that, but I have a very bad temper and things tend to get ugly when I lose it.
We'd have to go MUCH farther back in time to address the decisions that I'm referring to... the story about your boss is irrelevant and merely represents the end result of previous poor decisions...

ps: it's never too late to start over or try again... just ask Lance Armstrong.

Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
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Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth. You can't let people walk around shooting people or causing revolutions. You don't listen to children who don't want to take their medicine do you?
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.
I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.
 

1EZduzit

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

What I don't understand is why you are not rich. You are far more wise than most that post here. You have far more compassion. You are a really fine human being. I guess there isn't a market for your kind of value. How odd.

A long long time ago a man came driving down my street. I was waiting for him. I had my cowboy hat on, my chaps and my double holsters and guns. I was 7. I shot him as he drove by and watched him collapse across the steering wheel. Because of him I try to be awake around children. To sleep is to know nothing of value.

Thanks for the kind words Moonie, it helps. That's the nicest compliment I've had since my brother-in-law told his 6 year old daughter not to be afraid of me because I'm the nicest man she will probably ever meet. :)
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.
I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

There comes a point where you can't try any harder and another point where you just don't have the ability to do what needs to be done to start over.

Take my farm, I love farming, but I had to rent it out because I just couldn't physically do it anymore. I guess I could leverage the farm and go out and rent more land, hire all the work done, etc., and just manage it, but all it would take is 1 bad year and I'd have to sell everything I worked all my life for. I worked too hard for it to piss it all down my leg like that.

It isn't that black and white as to just "TRY harder, or TRY again".
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.
I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

There comes a point where you can't try any harder and another point where you just don't have the ability to do what needs to be done to start over.

Take my farm, I love farming, but I had to rent it out because I just couldn't physically do it anymore. I guess I could leverage the farm and go out and rent more land, hire all the work done, etc., and just manage it, but all it would take is 1 bad year and I'd have to sell everything I worked all my life for. I worked too hard for it to piss it all down my leg like that.

It isn't that black and white as to just "TRY harder, or TRY again".

EZ...I completely understand, and if you pay attention to my post you will see nowhere did I say "everyone", "no one", "always", or never". Generalities are generally true. I apologize if you took my post as a personal attack...I didnt mean it as such. Sometimes things crumble and cant be rebuilt. I understand that; however, it doesnt make what I said false. For the majority of people it IS true.
 

Genx87

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The thing I love about craig's blathering is the absolute blindness in which he believes this is a right winged issue.

Take a look at govt expenditure's as a % of gdp during this time frame.
In 1947 our govt consumed 19.5% of our GDP. In 2003 it consumed 30.6%, a 57% increase.

Gee when we see this massive expansion of govt the rich get richer, more powerful, and have more influence while the poor get poorer relatively and become disenchanted with the process? Color me surprised!

So let me guess, Craig's brilliant plan includes insulting a portion of the population then blindly lead us towards more govt. It would be amusing if he didnt believe it.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Genx87
The thing I love about craig's blathering is the absolute blindness in which he believes this is a right winged issue.

Take a look at govt expenditure's as a % of gdp during this time frame.
In 1947 our govt consumed 19.7% of our GDP. In 2003 it consumed 30.3%, a 63% increase.

Gee when we see this massive expansion of govt the rich get richer, more powerful, and have more influence while the poor get poorer relatively and become disenchanted with the process? Color me surprised!

So let me guess, Craig's brilliant plan includes insulting a portion of the population then blindly lead us towards more govt. It would be amusing if he didnt believe it.


BFT
 

Vic

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A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

How about the workers hire the boss to direct them and only they can own the company?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

How about the workers hire the boss to direct them and only they can own the company?

Do the workers then assume all liability and risk should the company fail as well?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

We are all slaves to a system of private property where it takes money to live. You have to work to live. You have to waste your life earning money.

Why do we not have a system where every child is given a live where he can do whatever is natural for his interests and abilities? Everybody is equal who does what he loves to do.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Dear palehorse, we need to go back and discover how you became such an insufferable ass.
I'm an "ass" for attempting to encourage people to TRY harder, or TRY again?!

so be it.

There comes a point where you can't try any harder and another point where you just don't have the ability to do what needs to be done to start over.

Take my farm, I love farming, but I had to rent it out because I just couldn't physically do it anymore. I guess I could leverage the farm and go out and rent more land, hire all the work done, etc., and just manage it, but all it would take is 1 bad year and I'd have to sell everything I worked all my life for. I worked too hard for it to piss it all down my leg like that.

It isn't that black and white as to just "TRY harder, or TRY again".

EZ...I completely understand, and if you pay attention to my post you will see nowhere did I say "everyone", "no one", "always", or never". Generalities are generally true. I apologize if you took my post as a personal attack...I didnt mean it as such. Sometimes things crumble and cant be rebuilt. I understand that; however, it doesnt make what I said false. For the majority of people it IS true.

NP Blackangst1, I understand that your were just ranting and that it wasn't a personal attack. That however doesn't change the fact that there are people out there who have been royally screwed over by the system. I think a lot more of them then people realize.

Believe it or not, what I have chosen to publicly share is just the tip of the iceberg of "my story". LOL, maybe I should write a book, but for the life of me I don't know anybody who would want to read it, let alone pay to read it.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: johnnobts
Being wealthy is not a crime, and it should not be criminalized.

Why not? If the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few create a situation that leads to revolution and destruction on a vast scale, it is the right of the people to put value in the notion of criminalizing wealth.

Do you really believe that?

Fern
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Vic
A hired worker is not a slave. He is a free person in business for himself. I have found that those people who understand this simple concept tend to be more financially successful than those who do not. You have to decide I guess whether you want opportunity or you want security.

How about the workers hire the boss to direct them and only they can own the company?

Do the workers then assume all liability and risk should the company fail as well?

That's the beauty of competition, no? The boss lets the workers down, bye bye boss. Time to look for some Chinese kid entrepreneurial genius willing to work for next to nothing to create a name for himself.