Annoying religious stickers on cars. (POLL & PICS INSIDE)

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
"You are never dedicated to do something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."
..........Robert M. Pirsig, "Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

This thread has been an example of that. We have the originator fanatically stating his disbelief, trying to convince everyone but mostly himself. I think that he is protesting too loudly to have the confidence in his position that he wishes us to think he has. On the other side, and also an example of the quotation, we have our very own modern day Pharisee who seems far more concerned with the conventions of his particular sect (maintaining the Jewish tradition of not writing out the Lord's name in full, using esoteric spellings for the name of the Son) than with establishing a working relationship between himself and his Creator.

As to the argument of being a witness and proclaiming faith to unbelievers, remember that faith proclaimed in the wrong manner or at the wrong time is perhaps more destructive than faith not proclaimed at all. Imagine a witness in a court trial. He must wait his turn and present his testimony at the proper place or else he jeopardises everything. We are not called to shout or faith to everyone, not to act superior because salvation is not through our own works. We are called to follow God and to do so quietly and reverently, helping those who come to us with honest doubts and living a life that is as close as we can come to His example.

Flyermax2k3, I want to believe that your intentions were good, but the unfortunate fact remains that your attitude in this thread has done much to turn people away from Him. The greatest obstacle in bringing people to Christ is the church itself. There is a natural human aversion to self-rightousness and all too often it is self-rightousness rather than love that the church generates.

ZV

Thank you for the concern but as I have stated several times on these forums, I don't do my evangelizing over teh intarweb, I do it in person. I'm simply expressing my opinion on these forums. I highly doubt any of these people were turned off to the Messiah by me (although I'm sure someone will say they were just to be a jerk), they came into this thread (and others) with the same attitude of hate and mockery and I have in no way influenced this other than to debate this foolishness.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Jzero

How many of these stupid buildings are erected for the insane to congregate and pray to their magic man in the clouds? I've got an ass load of these places where I live! I'm sure you'd be the first one to laugh and mock me if I erected a building to worship the Toothfairy in your neighborhood!

JackBurton, you must have one hell of a weak constitution if people building buildings are persecuting you.
My neighborhood is full of McDonald's as well, but I can choose not to eat there.

Flyguy, you aren't going to get anywhere with your presumptious cocksure attitude. It concerns me that people like you call their religion the same name I call mine.

Do you acknowledge Yeshua HaMashiach as the savior or do you follow "Jesus"? Do you follow all the commandments and observe the Mosaic Laws? Do you go to church on Sunday or do you keep the true sabbath day holy (Saturday)? Until you do all these things you and I do not share the same "religion", sorry.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
"You are never dedicated to do something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it's going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt."
..........Robert M. Pirsig, "Zen & The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

This thread has been an example of that. We have the originator fanatically stating his disbelief, trying to convince everyone but mostly himself. I think that he is protesting too loudly to have the confidence in his position that he wishes us to think he has. On the other side, and also an example of the quotation, we have our very own modern day Pharisee who seems far more concerned with the conventions of his particular sect (maintaining the Jewish tradition of not writing out the Lord's name in full, using esoteric spellings for the name of the Son) than with establishing a working relationship between himself and his Creator.

As to the argument of being a witness and proclaiming faith to unbelievers, remember that faith proclaimed in the wrong manner or at the wrong time is perhaps more destructive than faith not proclaimed at all. Imagine a witness in a court trial. He must wait his turn and present his testimony at the proper place or else he jeopardises everything. We are not called to shout or faith to everyone, not to act superior because salvation is not through our own works. We are called to follow God and to do so quietly and reverently, helping those who come to us with honest doubts and living a life that is as close as we can come to His example.

Flyermax2k3, I want to believe that your intentions were good, but the unfortunate fact remains that your attitude in this thread has done much to turn people away from Him. The greatest obstacle in bringing people to Christ is the church itself. There is a natural human aversion to self-rightousness and all too often it is self-rightousness rather than love that the church generates.

ZV

Thank you for the concern but as I have stated several times on these forums, I don't do my evangelizing over teh intarweb, I do it in person. I'm simply expressing my opinion on these forums. I highly doubt any of these people were turned off to the Messiah by me (although I'm sure someone will say they were just to be a jerk), they came into this thread (and others) with the same attitude of hate and mockery and I have in no way influenced this other than to debate this foolishness.

Were you the guy driving the Durango that I chased off with a shotgun for tresspassing, or the one driving the Excursion that I burnt his handouts right in front of him?

I don't know what scared the latter more - my magic fire machine, or that I had the balls to do it right there.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Jzero
The only part that offends me is that cross/easter bunny/yeti casts a shadow while Calvin does not. If you're going to make stupid bumper stickers, at least make them well.

Well genius, the original sticker didn't have the boy casting a shadow so I didn't add it to the modified versions. Yes, Christians are dumb as you can see, they couldn't even make a bumper sticker accurate.

Maybe they are saying that Calvin is the holy spirit and thus does not cast a shadow?!

 

[Nitemare]

A guy in my parking lot has one that reads "In case of rapture, this car will be vacant"

I'd like to see the look on his face when God says uh uh

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Jzero

How many of these stupid buildings are erected for the insane to congregate and pray to their magic man in the clouds? I've got an ass load of these places where I live! I'm sure you'd be the first one to laugh and mock me if I erected a building to worship the Toothfairy in your neighborhood!

JackBurton, you must have one hell of a weak constitution if people building buildings are persecuting you.
My neighborhood is full of McDonald's as well, but I can choose not to eat there.

Flyguy, you aren't going to get anywhere with your presumptious cocksure attitude. It concerns me that people like you call their religion the same name I call mine.

Do you acknowledge Yeshua HaMashiach as the savior or do you follow "Jesus"? Do you follow all the commandments and observe the Mosaic Laws? Do you go to church on Sunday or do you keep the true sabbath day holy (Saturday)? Until you do all these things you and I do not share the same "religion", sorry.

Please re-read my statement above. It disturbs me that you call your religion the same name I call mine - they are obviously not the same.
I've been called a heretic by more enlightened people.

 

[Palek]

Originally posted by: Mingon

It is really, really sad to see that seemingly intelligent young men (and women??) can spend this much time perpetuating hatred towards a group of people. Do you really think this a good way to spend your time?

Persecution, hatred..... hmm 10 house points for the person who can name what is responsible for the worst of these crimes

Terribly misguided people who in their twisted minds thought they were carrying out the will of God. Their crimes do not make the true followers of Christ any more guilty than racist hate crimes commited by a caucasian would make other, completely unrelated caucasians.

 

[bigben]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Jzero

How many of these stupid buildings are erected for the insane to congregate and pray to their magic man in the clouds? I've got an ass load of these places where I live! I'm sure you'd be the first one to laugh and mock me if I erected a building to worship the Toothfairy in your neighborhood!

JackBurton, you must have one hell of a weak constitution if people building buildings are persecuting you.
My neighborhood is full of McDonald's as well, but I can choose not to eat there.

Flyguy, you aren't going to get anywhere with your presumptious cocksure attitude. It concerns me that people like you call their religion the same name I call mine.

Do you acknowledge Yeshua HaMashiach as the savior or do you follow "Jesus"? Do you follow all the commandments and observe the Mosaic Laws? Do you go to church on Sunday or do you keep the true sabbath day holy (Saturday)? Until you do all these things you and I do not share the same "religion", sorry.

Flyer, honestly, do you follow all of the Mosaic laws? That statement is foolishness. Read your scripture. Galatians 3 - we are saved through faith, not by law. We live by faith, not by law. And what is with calling Jesus by the Hebrew name? Clearly the name of God is to be revered as Holy, and I do not doubt that you strive for this, but Christ never stipulated that his name be kept in his language. Although it is an interesting rhetorical tool, it does little to further your arguements and is just difficult to pronounce.

 

[Palek]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Do you acknowledge Yeshua HaMashiach as the savior or do you follow "Jesus"? Do you follow all the commandments and observe the Mosaic Laws? Do you go to church on Sunday or do you keep the true sabbath day holy (Saturday)? Until you do all these things you and I do not share the same "religion", sorry.

Flyermax2k3, to avoid further confusion would you care to tell us exactly what you believe in? I suspect you are a Messianic Jew. Correct?

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
OK... allow me the pleasure of ending this thread....

For someone that believes in imaginary beings, you sure are attached to a scientific inventions and it's advancement.... your fcuking computer. Next you're gonna tell me that this person builds the computer... just like how Al Gore invented the internet.... hmm.

The invention of the computer has nothing whatsoever to do with religious faith, and Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet - go to Snopes, look it up.

Way to end the thread. No, wai

 

[ElFenix]

once a nutter always a nutter...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Jzero

How many of these stupid buildings are erected for the insane to congregate and pray to their magic man in the clouds? I've got an ass load of these places where I live! I'm sure you'd be the first one to laugh and mock me if I erected a building to worship the Toothfairy in your neighborhood!

JackBurton, you must have one hell of a weak constitution if people building buildings are persecuting you.
My neighborhood is full of McDonald's as well, but I can choose not to eat there.

Flyguy, you aren't going to get anywhere with your presumptious cocksure attitude. It concerns me that people like you call their religion the same name I call mine.

Do you acknowledge Yeshua HaMashiach as the savior or do you follow "Jesus"? Do you follow all the commandments and observe the Mosaic Laws? Do you go to church on Sunday or do you keep the true sabbath day holy (Saturday)? Until you do all these things you and I do not share the same "religion", sorry.

What a shocker - another boatload of self-praise and My Sh!t Don't Stink from Flyermax.

- M4H

 

[CinderElmo]

Originally posted by: edro13
OMG!!!!!! HE's BACK! And PEOPLE ON TEH INTARWEB aR PRAISING HIM!!!!!!! OH NOES!

These unenlightened non-believers might not know what they are looking at...but that is the g-d d-amned funniest thing I have seen all day!

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Everybody is waiting for the end to come, but what if it's already passed us by? What if the final joke of Judgemnent Day was that it had already come and gone and we were none the wiser? Apocalypse arrives quietly; the chosen are herded off to Heaven, and the rest of us, the ones who failed the test, just keep on going, oblivious. Dead already, wandering around long after the gods have stopped keeping score, still optimistic about the future. I guess if that's true, then it dosen't matter what you do.
-- Memento Mori by Jonathan Nolan

That quote owns! it is surreal

Hee, thanx. I loved it, too. Don't know where the story itself was printed, but it's available on the Memento Special Edition DVD set. That's where I got it. Good story, tragic ending which was a little darker than the movie itself.

Zenmervolt, best friggen post I've seen in any religious thread here in ages.

edro13, okay, that's twisted

Flyermax2k3, you evangelize from the moment anyone brings up anything even peripherally related to the lord. It's annoying to say the least. What sect are you anyway? I can't think of any that mixes the old and the new testaments in the way you do.

Well, about the only good thing that can be said about this thread is that it's only attacted ONE of the resident holy rollers.

Pity, I was looking forward to hooking up some recording equipment, getting a nice bass rhythm off their thumping.

-- Jack

"What do you have to say about the US President calling you a complete idiot?"
"Eh, I've been called worse things by better people."
-- Reporter & Trudeau

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you can't even type out the word God?

been over this. Do a search.

Ok I did a search and couldn't find the post in question. Any pointers/links/thread names would be helpful.

Now, I'm sure someone has told you this before, but the fact that you aren't allowed to say or type God or any of its derivatives is a crock of bullsh!t decided by a bunch af Jewish templesman over 2500 years ago. It was basically a religious decision made to protect you from yourself. You were allowed to say God's name (Yahweh), but you weren't allowed to take it in vain. They decided that the common man was not smart enough to know if he was using the name of God right, so they decided that it was in his best interest if they banned it's use everywhere. He wouldn't want to you accidentally burn in hell, now would he.

Old versus new texts of the Old Testiment prove this point well. Have you have wondered why the Bible is full of so many "The Lord our Gods" and such? Doesn't that kind of seem redundant? Well ancient copies actually say "the lord Yahweh" but when you weren't allowed to say Yahweh anymore they had to take it out, but they had to do it without editing it. It was a sacred text you know. Every instance of the name Yahweh was removed from the texts, but it was there originally. The prohibition on saying any form of the name came after the texts.

And now my personal opinion. How is typing "God" and different than typing "G-d"? You are using the same meaning in the same context. Are you trying to hide the fact that you are saying it? You obvoiusly hold certain religious beliefs. Do you think God doesn't know what you typed and what you meant? Do you think he's stupid? That is like a little kid saying "darn" instead of "damn" in front of their mother. They didn't actually say the bad word, but what they said was equivalent. And the fact that they don't even know that it is the same shows how naive they really are.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you can't even type out the word God?

been over this. Do a search.

Ok I did a search and couldn't find the post in question. Any pointers/links/thread names would be helpful.

Now, I'm sure someone has told you this before, but the fact that you aren't allowed to say or type God or any of its derivatives is a crock of bullsh!t decided by a bunch af Jewish templesman over 2500 years ago. It was basically a religious decision made to protect you from yourself. You were allowed to say God's name (Yahweh), but you weren't allowed to take it in vain. They decided that the common man was not smart enough to know if he was using the name of God right, so they decided that it was in his best interest if they banned it's use everywhere. He wouldn't want to you accidentally burn in hell, now would he.

Old versus new texts of the Old Testiment prove this point well. Have you have wondered why the Bible is full of so many "The Lord our Gods" and such? Doesn't that kind of seem redundant? Well ancient copies actually say "the lord Yahweh" but when you weren't allowed to say Yahweh anymore they had to take it out, but they had to do it without editing it. It was a sacred text you know. Every instance of the name Yahweh was removed from the texts, but it was there originally. The prohibition on saying any form of the name came after the texts.

And now my personal opinion. How is typing "God" and different than typing "G-d"? You are using the same meaning in the same context. Are you trying to hide the fact that you are saying it? You obvoiusly hold certain religious beliefs. Do you think God doesn't know what you typed and what you meant? Do you think he's stupid? That is like a little kid saying "darn" instead of "damn" in front of their mother. They didn't actually say the bad word, but what they said was equivalent. And the fact that they don't even know that it is the same shows how naive they really are.

Ok, do you really think you are going to get anywhere with a person that believes in invisible magic people?

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo OK... allow me the pleasure of ending this thread.... For someone that believes in imaginary beings, you sure are attached to a scientific inventions and it's advancement.... your fcuking computer. Next you're gonna tell me that this person builds the computer... just like how Al Gore invented the internet.... hmm.

The invention of the computer has nothing whatsoever to do with religious faith, and Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet - go to Snopes, look it up. Way to end the thread. No, wai

Sarcasm meter for sale... any one interested?

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Pop quiz, for what action was Galileo convicted of herasey? If you answered teaching the heliocentric solar system, you are incorrect. He was found guilty for personally insulting the Pope. And the conviction was a slap on the wrist anyway. Galileo was under house arrest. He was allowed to publish papers, conduct experiements, have any visitors he desired, procure any materials for his experiements and essentially live as he pleased without leaving his property.
ZV

So... would you care to tell me how he died? Peaceful in his oldage?... hmmm....

 

[Danman]

Hey Flyer,

My family has been with the Catholic religion since they moved here from Europe. I respect you for your values and beliefs, and in my own personal experience; Catholic beliefs have been pushed and shoved down my throat all the time since I've been a child. I've seen this in all religions, and I don't understand "why?" They say if you don't do something, you will go to purgatory or hell forever! :Q

We only live once here, I want to make the best of it. Do you think I want to be worried about going to hell for something? As I have gotten older, I have realized life is so precious and short. I do believe someone is up there watching me, yet I hate the BS the churches try to make you do. Please explain this.

Thanks,
Daniel

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, do you really think you are going to get anywhere with a person that believes in invisible magic people?

I never claimed that I was trying to convert him to my point of view, but that doen't mean I can't have a discussion with him. I forget who has this quote in their sig, but "I've never learned anything from someone who agreed with me."

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, do you really think you are going to get anywhere with a person that believes in invisible magic people?

I never claimed that I was trying to convert him to my point of view, but that doen't mean I can't have a discussion with him. I forget who has this quote in their sig, but "I've never learned anything from someone who agreed with me."

Have you ever had a discussion with a wall? Well having a discussion about religion with a Christian is the same.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: zulfi

According to the Bible Jesus himself said once that there would come one after him still, so maybe Christianity is a fallacy and should you be worshipping Allah instead.[/quote]


Can you tell me which part of the bible said that[/quote]


John 16: 7-14

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 14: 26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 1: 19-23 is nice too:

19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Acts 3: 21-24

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

The last one clearly states that, before Jesus' return, there will be another prophet, who will stick to old laws (like not eating pork, which Christians conveniently ditched).

 

[Mingon]

Q]Pop quiz, for what action was Galileo convicted of herasey? If you answered teaching the heliocentric solar system, you are incorrect. [/quote]

Depends who you beleive, iirc the above was released by the church as an explanantion to their actions - sounds fishy to me.
My point was that religons themselves cause more pain and suffering through fanatical following than anything else. I always like the point made in DOGMA that its not what you believe in, but how you are that defines you as a person.
I would rather live a good life free from the bounds of religon, if their is a god and we meet and he disagrees with how I have lived my life, all it will do is prove me right.
A comment recently by Chris Eubank (uk boxer - currently doing a ozbourne type show) I enjoyed was 'dont be proud to be black, white, yellow or anyother colour - be proud to be a good person' this holds true with religon.

Just as an add-on I have taught at a Catholic school, and made sure they followed thier 3 prayers a day - I have no prblem with religon, just the way it is used as an excuse to treat non-believers s outcasts.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, do you really think you are going to get anywhere with a person that believes in invisible magic people?

I never claimed that I was trying to convert him to my point of view, but that doen't mean I can't have a discussion with him. I forget who has this quote in their sig, but "I've never learned anything from someone who agreed with me."

Have you ever had a discussion with a wall? Well having a discussion about religion with a Christian is the same.

Eh, my mom is quite Christian and we've had any number of intelligent and insightful conversations about religion and our respective beliefs. It very much depends on the person. You may not believe it, but it is possible to be Christian and not be a bible thumper.

And speaking of talking to walls, you seem pretty closed minded about this whole thing yourself. Just on the opposite side of the wall.

*puts on flame suit*

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, do you really think you are going to get anywhere with a person that believes in invisible magic people?

I never claimed that I was trying to convert him to my point of view, but that doen't mean I can't have a discussion with him. I forget who has this quote in their sig, but "I've never learned anything from someone who agreed with me."

Have you ever had a discussion with a wall? Well having a discussion about religion with a Christian is the same.

Replace "Christian" with "Closed-Minded Moron" and you have an actual truism on your hands.
Kyteland elegantly points out the similarities between you and Flyboy.