Andrew McCabe is fired. Will not collect retirement.

[Younigue]

I don't think Taj cares what you think of him, and I doubt you care what he thinks of you. So what's the point of this?

Oh and he's a great dumping ground for my rage about what is going on in the country.

I didn't see that you asked him the same question. Is there a reason for that?

 

[Jhhnn]

As I said, it's not the only one talking about the conflicting testimony between the 2.

Yes, yes- "People are talking".

 

[dank69]

As I said, it's not the only one talking about the conflicting testimony between the 2.

Doesn't matter how many people make that leap, it's still not verified. I find it interesting that when it comes to accusations against Trump, you latch on to these ambiguities like a leech, but when they are against Trump's enemies, "if" is all you need to begin asserting them as fact.

 

[Jhhnn]

Doesn't matter how many people make that leap, it's still not verified. I find it interesting that when it comes to accusations against Trump, you latch on to these ambiguities like a leech, but when they are against Trump's enemies, "if" is all you need to begin asserting them as fact.

Hell- none of it is verified. The OIG report isn't even out.

Trump as President is a national disgrace. He's the ultimate banana Republican-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...517e912f125_story.html?utm_term=.15e4691f4184

 

[feralkid]

He's a fake republican..and everybody knows it. When did that ever stop a clinton from colluding with a "willing accomplice"??

If everyone knows it, then why can't you provide evidence supporting your claim?

 

[Jhhnn]

If everyone knows it, then why can't you provide evidence supporting your claim?

Because he's just trolling & talking trash, as usual.

 

[JujuFish]

I didn't see that you asked him the same question. Is there a reason for that?

I think he has me on ignore. Either way, you started that little ad hominem spat.

 

[zzyzxroad]

If everyone knows it, then why can't you provide evidence supporting your claim?

Might have to give him a few. He is likely pouring over the new Hillary articles Fox just posted.

 

[Younigue]

I think he has me on ignore. Either way, you started that little ad hominem spat.

I regularly do. His stupidity drives me insane. I use him to vent. Works out great otherwise my husband would have to listen to it and neither of us wants that.

Is there something more you'd like to add?

 

[JujuFish]

I regularly do. His stupidity drives me insane. I use him to vent. Works out great otherwise my husband would have to listen to it and neither of us wants that.

Is there something more you'd like to add?

Just that there can never be compromise if everyone continually berates each other. You're just going to make each other bury yourselves deeper in your positions, exacerbating the divide in this country.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Doesn't matter how many people make that leap, it's still not verified. I find it interesting that when it comes to accusations against Trump, you latch on to these ambiguities like a leech, but when they are against Trump's enemies, "if" is all you need to begin asserting them as fact.

What do you mean "it's not verified" It's in their Congressional testimony.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I think he has me on ignore. Either way, you started that little ad hominem spat.

I only have 2 people on ignore, you're not one of them and probably never will be.

 

[jackstar7]

Just that there can never be compromise if everyone continually berates each other. You're just going to make each other bury yourselves deeper in your positions, exacerbating the divide in this country.

Don't given an inch to lies or bigotry.

If we're headed for a divide between the righteous and reality-based, and the dishonest and fantastical fools, then ground cannot be given to the foolish and their cult bullshit.

Trying to appease their hate-filled masses only moves us backward.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

"The FBI’s Office of Personal Responsibility has recommended the firing of former deputy director Andrew McCabe, who is accused of serious misconduct."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/andrew-mccabe-firing-recommended-fbi-deputy-director/

"The recommendation apparently resulted from a report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, which found that McCabe leaked sensitive details about the FBI’s investigation of the Clinton Foundation to a Wall Street Journal reporter and then lied about it to the IG’s office."


Somehow firing this guy is evil incarnate? Sorry, but I don't get it.

 

[UNCjigga]

"The FBI’s Office of Personal Responsibility has recommended the firing of former deputy director Andrew McCabe, who is accused of serious misconduct."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/andrew-mccabe-firing-recommended-fbi-deputy-director/

"The recommendation apparently resulted from a report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, which found that McCabe leaked sensitive details about the FBI’s investigation of the Clinton Foundation to a Wall Street Journal reporter and then lied about it to the IG’s office."


Somehow firing this guy is evil incarnate? Sorry, but I don't get it.

So... Why isn't the IG report public yet, if agencies are already making personnel decisions based on it? Wouldn't it be nice to read the report first?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So... Why isn't the IG report public yet, if agencies are already making personnel decisions based on it? Wouldn't it be nice to read the report first?

Because they had a very short time line until his actual retirement was a done deal. The report is due out in early April the last that I heard. Hopefully when all the information is out a new Special Prosecutor will be looking into his perjury.

 

[Younigue]

Just that there can never be compromise if everyone continually berates each other. You're just going to make each other bury yourselves deeper in your positions, exacerbating the divide in this country.

Oh I've never been more firm on certain topics than I am now. This shit show has reinforced how I've always felt but with anger and heartbreak at its center. Anyone sticking with The Plague and the Fever Induced Oozing Wounds deserve to be called out. They do not deserve a platform. They do not desire reasoned conversation leading to compromise. Their core beliefs derive from hate and segregation, greed and paranoia, regressive agenda and progressive stupidity. You'd suggest reasonable conversation with the unreasonable? You go ahead with that. You be a part of the segment of society that thinks the purposefully, hateful ignorant can be brought around through kindness and an open heart. You continue to believe there is some sort of compromise worth considering with those filthy minded diseases. They're bringing nothing to the table worth even contemplating considering.

In my life I accept everyone... But Trumpublicans. The Ushering in of the truly despicable having a voice in the White House to suit them leaves no room for compromise.

My point of view is that an asshole is an asshole, that is the criteria with which I judge. Nothing else about who that asshole is factors in. Taj and his ilk must be told loud and often that they will absolutely have to crawl in to their hateful holes comforted only by the fact that their hatred will keep them entertained AND in their holes as long as they all shall live.

This is the first time in my life (though I've always had low tolerance for the intentionally stupid, atleast I didn't let it determine whether the person was likeable or not) I have come to the conclusion a group of people exists worth despising.

I appreciate your attempt to educate me (kinda) but my mind is made up...

...Often and Loud and as I've stated previously the venting works for me. The vitriol will continue because scumbags need to be called scumbags.

 

[dank69]

What do you mean "it's not verified" It's in their Congressional testimony.

It is not verified that McCabe leaked anything. That is speculation. The FBI makes official releases to the media and that is obviously what McCabe was talking about. That was part of his job. I suspect that when the IG report is released the Trump admin is going to come under heavy fire if even half of what McCabe said is true.

 

[dank69]

"The FBI’s Office of Personal Responsibility has recommended the firing of former deputy director Andrew McCabe, who is accused of serious misconduct."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/andrew-mccabe-firing-recommended-fbi-deputy-director/

"The recommendation apparently resulted from a report by the Justice Department’s inspector general, which found that McCabe leaked sensitive details about the FBI’s investigation of the Clinton Foundation to a Wall Street Journal reporter and then lied about it to the IG’s office."


Somehow firing this guy is evil incarnate? Sorry, but I don't get it.

Color me surprised that the national review and the WSJ editorial board are making the same assumptions you are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because they had a very short time line until his actual retirement was a done deal. The report is due out in early April the last that I heard. Hopefully when all the information is out a new Special Prosecutor will be looking into his perjury.

Yep. Had to hustle up to administer the fuckover.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh I've never been more firm on certain topics than I am now. This shit show has reinforced how I've always felt but with anger and heartbreak at its center. Anyone sticking with The Plague and the Fever Induced Oozing Wounds deserve to be called out. They do not deserve a platform. They do not desire reasoned conversation leading to compromise. Their core beliefs derive from hate and segregation, greed and paranoia, regressive agenda and progressive stupidity. You'd suggest reasonable conversation with the unreasonable? You go ahead with that. You be a part of the segment of society that thinks the purposefully, hateful ignorant can be brought around through kindness and an open heart. You continue to believe there is some sort of compromise worth considering with those filthy minded diseases. They're bringing nothing to the table worth even contemplating considering.

In my life I accept everyone... But Trumpublicans. The Ushering in of the truly despicable having a voice in the White House to suit them leaves no room for compromise.

My point of view is that an asshole is an asshole, that is the criteria with which I judge. Nothing else about who that asshole is factors in. Taj and his ilk must be told loud and often that they will absolutely have to crawl in to their hateful holes comforted only by the fact that their hatred will keep them entertained AND in their holes as long as they all shall live.

This is the first time in my life (though I've always had low tolerance for the intentionally stupid, atleast I didn't let it determine whether the person was likeable or not) I have come to the conclusion a group of people exists worth despising.

I appreciate your attempt to educate me (kinda) but my mind is made up...

...Often and Loud and as I've stated previously the venting works for me. The vitriol will continue because scumbags need to be called scumbags.

I feel exactly as you do but I have a problem with it. I ask myself how it came to pass that as a grown up person I could possibly experience such anger and heartbreak as this. How could I have been previously so naive and vulnerable, so emotionally undeveloped so inwardly unprotected and weak. I am almost completely unperturbed when insulted to the highest degree in foreign languages I do not understand. Where I differ from you is that I know the outrage I feel can never now have any effect on me if it does not connect to feelings I learned long ago and have repressed. I believe the anguish and heartbreak I feel today actually happened long ago and that what I feel today is only those old feelings being awakened by current events.

I mention this because I was offered a chance to know this directly by someone much wiser than I was, to take a chance and feel in a therapeutic situation what I really feel, with the promise I would find relief of a kind unexpected, and by taking that chance I found him to be right. When all the rage is exhausted at the bottom is healing grief. It would be my wish that all who suffer and have suffered find that place. Best wishes.

 

[bshole]

According to SLATE, it is impossible to judge the validity of the firing because:

The report documenting McCabe’s alleged misconduct was not made public. Instead, Sessions released a statement with vague assertions of wrongdoing. McCabe was subject to a Department of Justice inspector general’s report about his conduct, reportedly as it pertained to leaks to the Wall Street Journal about the FBI’s Clinton investigation at the height of the 2016 election. Michael Horowitz, the department’s IG who would have issued the report, is an Obama appointee with a sterling reputation.

Without the details of his report, though, it’s impossible to assess the validity of the firing and to what extent a public pressure campaign to attack one of the chief witnesses against Trump might have influenced the decision.

Is this report available yet? If not, when will it be available? There are mumblings (from right wing radio) that the report accuses McCabe of lying under oath and recommended his firing.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...s-that-he-is-a-key-witness-against-trump.html

 

[Younigue]

I feel exactly as you do but I have a problem with it. I ask myself how it came to pass that as a grown up person I could possibly experience such anger and heartbreak as this. How could I have been previously so naive and vulnerable, so emotionally undeveloped so inwardly unprotected and weak. I am almost completely unperturbed when insulted to the highest degree in foreign languages I do not understand. Where I differ from you is that I know the outrage I feel can never now have any effect on me if it does not connect to feelings I learned long ago and have repressed. I believe the anguish and heartbreak I feel today actually happened long ago and that what I feel today is only those old feelings being awakened by current events.

I mention this because I was offered a chance to know this directly by someone much wiser than I was, to take a chance and feel in a therapeutic situation what I really feel, with the promise I would find relief of a kind unexpected, and by taking that chance I found him to be right. When all the rage is exhausted at the bottom is healing grief. It would be my wish that all who suffer and have suffered find that place. Best wishes.

Dude, I don't require mysticism to explain my life, current feelings, experiences and existence. I'm angry about something, I'm working on it how I need/want to.

We already established there are similarities in how we think. We both believe our individual approaches are without significant crutches and disagree strongly with one another.

I certainly feel heartbroken by my own self-imposed naivity. I did it to myself for no other reason but to feel good about my fellow humans. It's really no deeper than that but if you ask me it's pretty deep all on its own without adding a false reality to it.

Thanks for the best wishes. I will get back to a sense of normalcy but it'll be my own doing without lies or excuses in the shape of mystical detachment in order to make sense of it all. I feel doom and gloom about specific current events not about existence in general.

 

[Jhhnn]

They had to fire McCabe to discredit his testimony about the firing of Comey which was obviously part of the whole Russian interference imbroglio. But Sessions recused himself, didn't he? Well, not exactly... If he had, then McCabe would have retired on Sunday...

Sessions' official statement was that McCabe "lacked candor under oath" which is quite remarkable coming from a person who volunteered a lie under oath during their Senate confirmation hearing.

 

[bshole]

They had to fire McCabe to discredit his testimony about the firing of Comey which was obviously part of the whole Russian interference imbroglio. But Sessions recused himself, didn't he? Well, not exactly... If he had, then McCabe would have retired on Sunday...

Sessions' official statement was that McCabe "lacked candor under oath" which is quite remarkable coming from a person who volunteered a lie under oath during their Senate confirmation hearing.

This is the problem when an administration lies all the time. Their assertions that McCabe lied under oath are completely meaningless and evidence of nothing. This is why it is important that the report be released.

Regarding Sessions lying under oath:

“The thing about perjury is there can’t be any room for ambiguity, confusion or uncertainty,” said Randall Eliason, who teaches white collar criminal law at George Washington University Law School and is a former assistant U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, where he served as chief of the public corruption/government fraud section. “Because you’ve got to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person knowingly and intentionally said something that they did not believe to be true.”

Being evasive or cagey isn’t the same thing as telling a lie and committing perjury, Eliason told us.

“There is enough wiggle room that makes a perjury prosecution [against Sessions] difficult,” Eliason said. Unless there is some bombshell, he said, such as emails or notes from the conversation that suggest Sessions was acting in his role as a campaign surrogate, “I don’t see it as a criminal case.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/did-sessions-lie/