And we wonder why kids act the way they do

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Texashiker

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How galling is that, huh? These spoiled brats being better than you.

I just do not see any evidence that backs up your statement.

As society advances we can expect to see higher graduation rates and lower birth rates.

Evidence shows the better a womans education the less likely she is to get pregnant at an early age and will have fewer children. This is true everywhere from Africa to the United States.

Education is a key factor to everything you presented.


He's just mad that these evil youth are excelling at his work place and worst of all he has a boss that's younger than him.

Nope.

Nobody said evil.

My boss is around 15 years older than me.
 

Moonbeam

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Nope. That is using the liberal argument against them.

My body, my choice.

If a woman can avoid responsibility, so should men be entitled to those same rights.

This is perfectly logical. You are always perfectly logical. You put A and B together to get C perfectly every time. You do this properly because you are adding up morality. You believe in the good and you use that good to guide your thinking. It makes you a good person. But of course, there is a fly in the ointment. The A's and B's you present to yourself are delusions, products of programmed thinking, notions that have been stuffed into your head, conservative falsehoods and fantasies generated by bigots with a need to demonize the other.

Abortion is not, as you have been trained like a monkey to believe, the avoidance of responsibility, and because you yourself have now become a bigot that believes that, nothing can make you see it. And this is why, in the pursuit of the good, your ideas are actually evil. You take a false premise and come to a false conclusion, one that is properly moral, but only if your premise were correct. So you live in the comfortable and comforting moral world of folk who hold false moral beliefs, never seeing the evil you do.

You have become a dangerous fanatic and crusader, the kind of delusional thinker that can be led to burn witches to save the world from evil.

A liberal is actually a mind that is far more subtle than yours. It asks over and over questions about what is right. It rejects authority and tradition and seeks and questions; it lives with doubt and uncertainty, with moral ambiguity. A liberal brain is equipped to deal with paradox. It sees the conflict between the absolute right to life of both the mother and the child and understands there is no way out of that paradox and that we have to settle for compromise. It is you who, by taking a stand on only half of the issue, with your need for moral certainty, practice the avoidance of responsibility. It is you who is morally guilty. You have practiced judgment where you are not able to judge.

Remember, this is your condition, but it is one you cannot help. You are blinded by bigotry and it is not your fault. So because you condemn liberals and women who get abortions you have condemned yourself. You condemn them for their irresponsibility, but the irresponsible one is you yourself. You do not want to face your own judgment, a judgment I'm telling you that you are unqualified to render. You hate yourself, the part of you that you call the other. Did you not judge, did you not hate, you could change. But if you happen to be a Christian, you should know that you have been forgiven.

You believe in punishment, unaware that punishment is the invisible walls of your prison. In order to bring those walls down you have to die to all you believe.
 

waggy

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What happens when kids are raised on a reward system. If there is not enough reward, they are not going to make an effort.

That is my theory and my opinion.

i can agree with that.

We have reward's. The kids get paid for good grades and punished for bad, My daughter does her chores and passes all her classes she gets to stay in gymnastics. My son does his chores he gets lego's or video games.
 

fskimospy

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I just do not see any evidence that backs up your statement.

As society advances we can expect to see higher graduation rates and lower birth rates.

Evidence shows the better a womans education the less likely she is to get pregnant at an early age and will have fewer children. This is true everywhere from Africa to the United States.

Education is a key factor to everything you presented.

Interesting, I didn't realize that when you were saying "and we wonder why kids act the way they do" you meant "and we wonder why kids act so much better now than before".

Fascinating.
 

jhbball

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What happens when kids are raised on a reward system. If there is not enough reward, they are not going to make an effort.

That is my theory and my opinion.

Dear dumb ass,

Theories are based on evidence.

Signed,

Everyone
 

IndyColtsFan

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Mom, dad, I went out in the world, nobody gave me a reward for being good, so I am coming back home.

Most are coming home because they are unemployed or underemployed. What do you expect them to do? I agree that it shouldn't be a permanent solution but would you want your kid to starve or live in a refrigerator box on the street instead?
 

Texashiker

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Interesting, I didn't realize that when you were saying "and we wonder why kids act the way they do" you meant "and we wonder why kids act so much better now than before".

Fascinating.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/19/news/economy/men-workforce/
The participation rate of those older than 25 and holding at least bachelor's degree fell to 80.2% in May, down from 87.2% in May 1992.


Dear dumb ass,

Theories are based on evidence.

Signed,

Everyone

Theories are also based on observation.


Most are coming home because they are unemployed or underemployed. What do you expect them to do? I agree that it shouldn't be a permanent solution but would you want your kid to starve or live in a refrigerator box on the street instead?

This is probably a common trend spanning 2,000+ years, but I think todays young people are softer and less willing to make sacrifices.

How many people with a bacholers degree in law who can not find a job would be willing to go to work in the oilfield? A woman with a liberal arts degree who can not find work, is she going to take a job mining coal or working construction?

Is it that they can not find work, or they can not find work in the field they want to pursue?
 

OutHouse

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I wish the parents of the little girl who had an skull splitting banshee melt down at the grocery store last night all because she wanted out of the buggy seat swatted her ass to give her something to cry about.

parents did nothing but just continued to do their shopping and pushed this hearing terrorist around making everybody's ears bleed.


a vulcan nerve pinch is the best way to stop that shit.
 

TechBoyJK

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"When parents are afraid to discipline their children, we end up with a generation of entitlement."

Disciplining does not equal spanking. Discipline for children can (and should IMO) be accomplished without any physical punishment. Children do not grow up to feel entitled just because they are not spanked. Your entire premise is completely wrong.

every kid needs a good woopin every now and then.

I will feel like a failure as a parent if I'm too scared to spank my kid.
 

dank69

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I am going to explain why you are mistaken.

1. Your form of discipline only works when you have something the child wants.

Example A:

Parent: If you do not bring up your grades I am going to take your x-box away.
Child: So what, I will go outside and play.

Example B:

Parent: Do not curse or I am going to take your TV away.
Child: So what, I will read.

If the child is willing to do without, you have nothing to negotiate with.

2. Rather than learn respect for the law, you are teaching your child to negotiate.

Example A:

Child: If I do that, then I get this.
Parent: Yes
Child: What happens when you have nothing I want?
Parent: Uhhh, I will increase the rewards.
Child: now we are talking.


Law and order is not a negotiation. Either you follow the law or you are punished.

If society has nothing to offer, the criminal does not mind going to jail.
That's why you teach your kid why instead of expecting them to just take your word as gospel. If you can't explain why something is bad behavior then maybe it isn't really bad behavior.
 

Texashiker

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I wish the parents of the little girl who had an skull splitting banshee melt down at the grocery store last night all because she wanted out of the buggy seat swatted her ass to give her something to cry about.

parents did nothing but just continued to do their shopping and pushed this hearing terrorist around making everybody's ears bleed.

I will feel like a failure as a parent if I'm too scared to spank my kid.

The problem parents face, like in the opening post, if the parents of that screaming girl swatted her on the butt, someone would probably have called the police.

Police and child protection services show up, take the child away, issue the parents a ticket, then they have to go to court.

It has been like this for a long time. Parents are afraid to give any form of discipline except a rewards system.
 

Veliko

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Texashiker, the poster doing his best to prove that nehalem isn't the only one with disturbing thought processes.
 

fskimospy

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Maybe women respond to a rewards system better than men?

Maybe that is why boys get into more trouble than girls?

Maybe you're just pulling thoughts out of your ass without evidence to support them.

I understand that you're upset that the products of liberal parenting are so much better than you were at the same age, but such is life.
 

Retro Rob

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That's why you teach your kid why instead of expecting them to just take your word as gospel. If you can't explain why something is bad behavior then maybe it isn't really bad behavior.

While I mainly agree, sometimes your word is just good enough. Just becasue you cannot satisfactory explain why something is bad, doesn't mean it isn't bad -- perhaps the child simply has yet to understand "why" so it would probably be best to wait until the child is older.

And I don't think parents are under any obligation to explain themselves to their kids -- a good "NO" should be sufficent at times. Secondly, they won't always grasp rational explanations, so they should understand that "no" is all that they're gonna get.
 

Texashiker

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Maybe you're just pulling thoughts out of your ass without evidence to support them.

Maybe you no experience in raising boys and girls?

Oh, that's right, you don't even have kids.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/04/us-usa-education-gender-idUSBRE9030YH20130104

(Reuters) - American elementary school teachers reward girls with higher grades for behaving better in class than boys and for paying attention, according to a new study that may be the first of its kind in comparing grades, standardized tests and behavior.

Gender differences in grades emerge early and favor girls in all subject areas, said the report, which will be published in the Journal of Human Resources later this month.


http://phys.org/news/2013-01-girls-school.html

Why do girls get better grades in elementary school than boys—even when they perform worse on standardized tests?

Girls behave better than boys, even from elementary school.
 

desy

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Kids aren't entitled because they aren't punished , they are entitled because they get everything they desire without work to get it.

Corporal punishment is the last desperate resort and really if you need it you have failed as the parent. Kid screaming in the store, leave, there is nothing you so desperately need you can't get later. Spend the TIME to explain to the kid how to behave in public or maybe the kid is incredibly uncomfortable because they are stuck in a stroller for hrs etc etc. That's the parenting part.
Personally I've walked away from a store with kid in tow screaming. I'll also admit I've spanked my kids out of frustration. But see that's my failing, my frustration, instead of putting in effort and short cutting.
I certainly don't think my kids learned anything other than fear when I should have been working on respect. It will go a long way farther down the road when they are teens and spanking doesn't work, I can have a conversation which now they are teens I see the benefit of
 
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nageov3t

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my parents were big into corporal punishment.

didn't stop me from cursing like a sailor and being an all-around juvenile delinquent, just installed in me a solid dislike for both of them and an early lesson on lying/hiding things from them.
 

waggy

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I wish the parents of the little girl who had an skull splitting banshee melt down at the grocery store last night all because she wanted out of the buggy seat swatted her ass to give her something to cry about.

parents did nothing but just continued to do their shopping and pushed this hearing terrorist around making everybody's ears bleed.


a vulcan nerve pinch is the best way to stop that shit.

I have read a lot on how to deal with those tantrums. seems thee are camps out.

1) side says to cave in and give the child whatever so they stop crying. this is bad. It also seems far to many do it

2) some think that you let them scream and ignore them. This tells the kid the screaming does not work. I do this at HOME. i ignore the tantrum or send them to the bedroom. Sadly some people do it in a crowded store or worse restaurant.

3) when they start the tantrum you warn them you will take them out of the store. they keep it up then you take them out. This is what we do. I have sat in the van with a child while my wife shops. they are to sit in the seat and not play with toys or read.

3 works great if you do it every time. it took both my kids a few times to stop the tantrums.
 

waggy

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That's why you teach your kid why instead of expecting them to just take your word as gospel. If you can't explain why something is bad behavior then maybe it isn't really bad behavior.

you can't always explain "why" to a child. both my kids are pretty smart. but sometimes trying to explain why my 7 yr old can't have a candy bar or doughnut before dinner is like trying to explain why vaccines are good to texashiker. its a futile effort.
 

Retro Rob

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you can't always explain "why" to a child. both my kids are pretty smart. but sometimes trying to explain why my 7 yr old can't have a candy bar or doughnut before dinner is like trying to explain why vaccines are good to texashiker. its a futile effort.


Agree, which is why I made the post I made above...but I generally agree that explaining why is a good practice, but depending on the child and the age of him/her, it can clearly become an excersize in futility.
 

z1ggy

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All kids are assholes. It was just back in the day you could beat the fck out of them, and it was okay. Now a days with all the up tight soccer mommies, that stuff is frowned on.

So instead of little Jimmie getting his ass beat by his dad for doing something dumb, he gets sent to his room where he's free to jack off, play Xbox, or do whatever the hell he wants.

When I was a kid, I didn't get beat. I got worse. I got solitary. I was an only child and when I was bad, I got forced to sit in an empty stairwell in my house, away from any TV, book, or electrical device.. Sometimes for hours on end. That will mess with you.
 
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dank69

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you can't always explain "why" to a child. both my kids are pretty smart. but sometimes trying to explain why my 7 yr old can't have a candy bar or doughnut before dinner is like trying to explain why vaccines are good to texashiker. its a futile effort.
I can understand that line of thinking for a 2yo but a 7yo is old enough to understand why they can't do that. With the 2yo you just distract them with something else.