And we wonder why kids act the way they do

[fskimospy]

Post a chart comparing how many young adults are living with their parents today, as compared to say 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.

Gee, I wonder what that coincided with.

As per usual when you're proven wrong you don't admit fault, you just continue arguing.

It must really bother you that liberal parenting has been so successful when the presumably conservative parenting that you had produced an incoherent and intransigent man who serially whines about how he has to take care of his kids.

 

[fskimospy]

I suggest the charts you posted are the results of a change in our society rather than liberal parenting.

Based on what evidence?

Regardless, your OP states that kids are acting poorly because parents are unable to discipline them. Clearly this is false.

 

[Texashiker]

It must really bother you that liberal parenting has been so successful when the presumably conservative parenting that you had produced an incoherent and intransigent man who serially whines about how he has to take care of his kids.

What do we see with that chart?

We kids born in the 1980s and 1990s staying at home.

 

[Veliko]

Post a chart comparing how many young adults are living with their parents today, as compared to say 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.

I suggest the charts you posted are the results of a change in our society rather than liberal parenting.

What changes? Liberal ones, conservative ones, or a mixture?

 

[Texashiker]

Based on what evidence?

What year was the video game Doom released? 1993.

What year was Quake released? 1996.

What changes? Liberal ones, conservative ones, or a mixture?

Internet, video games, social networking,,, our society has gone through a lot of changes in the past 15 years.

 

[fskimospy]

What do we see with that chart?

We kids born in the 1980s and 1990s staying at home.

Or there was say... a catastrophic recession in 2009.

What's funny is that if you look at the chart more closely you'd see that until 2009 those kids born in the 1980's were staying at home at LOWER rates than kids born in the 1950's and 1960's. Liberal parenting succeeds yet again.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I love (not really) how virtually anything can (and is) made into a liberal vs. conservative battle.

I have (and will never regret) swatting my kids bottoms a couple of times. It was a calculated act to get their attention more than anything else. Beaten? Nope. Did it hurt? I doubt it. It worked because of the surprise element which caught them off guard. I can count the times I did it on both my children on one hand. What I consider unacceptable is using anything other than a hand, or with intent to harm. The Rule I followed was never to do anything in anger when disciplining my children regardless of what means employed.

IMO, a swat to the bottom isn't inherently wrong, however it is not something to be done casually, nor as the first means. Beating a child? No, that is distinctly different than what I am thinking of and real abuse (all too common) is not acceptable.

 

[bshole]

What year was the video game Doom released? 1993.

What year was Quake released? 1996.

Thats it, you just jumped the shark.

 

[fskimospy]

What year was the video game Doom released? 1993.

What year was Quake released? 1996.

There is no evidence that supports the effects of video games on aggressive behavior either way:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11126-007-9056-9

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Internet, video games, social networking,,, our society has gone through a lot of changes in the past 15 years.

Video games were very popular in the late 70s and early 80s too (when I was a kid). I can't believe you're trying to blame video games. LOL!

I love (not really) how virtually anything can (and is) made into a liberal vs. conservative battle.

This.

 

[waggy]

What year was the video game Doom released? 1993.

What year was Quake released? 1996.




Internet, video games, social networking,,, our society has gone through a lot of changes in the past 15 years.

wow..

video games? really? fuck dude you know that they have been around since the 70's and 80's?

social networking? lol no.

sure there have been a lot of changes in the last 15 years. none of the ones you listed really mean jack shit in what we are talking about.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Well, the internet WAS created by Al Gore,..

:hmm:

 

[HumblePie]

Thats it, you just jumped the shark.

Uhhh... that reference is for when something was originally good went seriously bad.

Not for when strange gets stranger as a nice way of putting things

 

[fskimospy]

I love (not really) how virtually anything can (and is) made into a liberal vs. conservative battle.

I have (and will never regret) swatting my kids bottoms a couple of times. It was a calculated act to get their attention more than anything else. Beaten? Nope. Did it hurt? I doubt it. It worked because of the surprise element which caught them off guard. I can count the times I did it on both my children on one hand. What I consider unacceptable is using anything other than a hand, or with intent to harm. The Rule I followed was never to do anything in anger when disciplining my children regardless of what means employed.

IMO, a swat to the bottom isn't inherently wrong, however it is not something to be done casually, nor as the first means. Beating a child? No, that is distinctly different than what I am thinking of and real abuse (all too common) is not acceptable.

I don't think many people actually consider parenting to be a liberal vs. conservative thing. I was just tweaking Texashiker for being an idiot.

 

[Texashiker]

There is no evidence that supports the effects of video games on aggressive behavior either way:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11126-007-9056-9

The jury is still out on that.

I personally believe violent video games such as Doom and Quake give kids a release for their anger.

Or there was say... a catastrophic recession in 2009.

What we are seeing are children raised on a reward system, not willing to make the sacrifices, or not getting the rewards they were expecting, returning home.

Mom, dad, I went out in the world, nobody gave me a reward for being good, so I am coming back home.

 

[Texashiker]

wow..

video games? really? fuck dude you know that they have been around since the 70's and 80's?

Video games were very popular in the late 70s and early 80s too (when I was a kid). I can't believe you're trying to blame video games. LOL!

You are getting mario confused with Doom.

Not video games in general, but violent video games such as Doom and Quake. Something that allows a young teenage boy to vent his anger in a non-physical manner.

My opinion, video games are like a punching bag.

 

[fskimospy]

The jury is still out on that.

I personally believe violent video games such as Doom and Quake give kids a release for their anger.

So no evidence. Gotcha. Looks like we're back to liberal parenting then!

What we are seeing are children raised on a reward system, not willing to make the sacrifices, or not getting the rewards they were expecting, returning home.

Please provide evidence for this.

 

[Newell Steamer]

I personally believe violent video games such as Doom and Quake give kids a release for their anger.

Those games have pentagrams in there too!

Also, the recent popularity in Call of Duty and Medal of Honor have our kids shooting down Islamic extremists - I am sure you disapprove of that as well,...

 

[IronWing]

Liberals hate children in general.




Just can not address the growing problem of people who discipline their children and do not want others disciplining their children either.

For a long time parents have been afraid to discipline their children due to social services getting involved.

In general spanking a child is not child abuse. But yet a parent had to go to court and defend himself? This is not a single case. This is a growing problem. A problem that a great number of parents face everyday.

And for some reason you consider those facts trolling?

You're using Incorruptible logic.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What?? Shooting down alien space invaders is not a game that releases stress and anger in a productive way????

 

[Texashiker]

Please provide evidence for this.

It is my opinion.

This reward system is also why less men are entering the workforce, less men are getting married and less men are going to college than previous generations.

The reward : effort ratio does not offer enough reward for them to make an effort.

 

[fskimospy]

It is my opinion.

This reward system is also why less men are entering the workforce, less men are getting married and less men are going to college than previous generations.

The reward : effort ratio does not offer enough reward for them to make an effort.

Okay, so long as we're all clear that you're basing your opinion on zero evidence that's great!

 

[Texashiker]

Okay, so long as we're all clear that you're basing your opinion on zero evidence that's great!

What happens when kids are raised on a reward system. If there is not enough reward, they are not going to make an effort.

That is my theory and my opinion.

 

[fskimospy]

What happens when kids are raised on a reward system. If there is not enough reward, they are not going to make an effort.

That is my theory and my opinion.

Yes, and it's based on shit. I already showed you that teenagers currently have lower arrest rates, higher graduation rates, and lower pregnancy rates. Additionally, until a catastrophic recession they were staying home at rates lower than when you were young. Kids these days have you beaten in every possible way.

How galling is that, huh? These spoiled brats being better than you.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

He's just mad that these evil youth are excelling at his work place and worst of all he has a boss that's younger than him.