And we wonder why kids act the way they do

[Moonbeam]

When parents are afraid to discipline their children, we end up with a generation of entitlement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-son-8-party-open-hand-boy-cursed-adult.html


Even though the charges were dismissed, no parent wants to go to court for disciplining their children.

It is easier to let the heathens run wild than to deal with social services.

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Thanks liberals, good job.

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If I had a kid that posted shit like you do, I'd paddle his ass. You must have been raised by Gorillas.

I'll never forget the time my Dad came after me for cursing out the neighbor, but he stopped short when I told him she called him an asshole. This kid probably did the same thing.

 

[Zorba]

It doesn't really matter what punishment you use, as long as you are consistent. Many parents are too lazy to be consistent, and I don't really think that has changed. There have been bad parents and screwed up kids forever.

Now some kids will respond to different punishments differently. Spanking may work great for one kid, but not at all for another. I know when I was kid, being sent to my room was way more effective than spanking.

 

[Zorba]

I am going to explain why you are mistaken.

1. Your form of discipline only works when you have something the child wants.

Example A:

Parent: If you do not bring up your grades I am going to take your x-box away.
Child: So what, I will go outside and play.

Example B:

Parent: Do not curse or I am going to take your TV away.
Child: So what, I will read.

If the child is willing to do without, you have nothing to negotiate with.

2. Rather than learn respect for the law, you are teaching your child to negotiate.

Example A:

Child: If I do that, then I get this.
Parent: Yes
Child: What happens when you have nothing I want?
Parent: Uhhh, I will increase the rewards.
Child: now we are talking.


Law and order is not a negotiation. Either you follow the law or you are punished.

If society has nothing to offer, the criminal does not mind going to jail.

You are doing it wrong.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Ah yes, the old "todays kids"....

 

[Victorian Gray]

20 BC:

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more
worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt."

1695:

"... I find by sad Experience how the Towns and Streets are filled with lewd wicked Children, and many Children as they have played about the Streets have been heard to curse and swear and call one another Nick-names, and it would grieve ones Heart to hear what bawdy and filthy Communications proceeds from the Mouths of such..."

1790:

"The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?"

1853:

"... see the simpering little beau of ten gallanting home the little coquette of eight, each so full of self-conceit and admiration of their own dear self, as to have but little to spare for any one else... and confess that the sight is both ridiculous and distressing... the sweet simplicity and artlessness of childhood, which renders a true child so interesting, are gone (like the bloom of the peach rudely nipped off) never to return."

1859:

"A pernicious excitement to learn and play chess has spread all over the country, and numerous clubs for practicing this game have been formed in cities and villages...chess is a mere amusement of a very inferior character, which robs the mind of valuable time that might be devoted to nobler acquirements, while it affords no benefit whatever to the body. Chess has acquired a high reputation as being a means to discipline the mind, but persons engaged in sedentary occupations should never practice this cheerless game; they require out-door exercises--not this sort of mental gladiatorship."

1816:

"The indecent foreign dance called the Waltz was introduced ... at the English Court on Friday last ... It is quite sufficient to cast one's eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs, and close compressure of the bodies ... to see that it is far indeed removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females...[Now that it is] forced on the respectable classes of society by the evil example of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion."

 

[JEDIYoda]

I am not against spanking. THOUGH it should be used very very rarely. I can count the number of times i spanked my kids on one hand. my son has 2 out of 3 times.

my daughter ran off in a parking lot and almost got hit. a quick smack on her ass let her know not to do that again. she never did either.

my son did the same. first time didn't work. the 2nd he rode his bike and darted across the street. he HIT a car (going like 5 mph) and he got a swat for not looking.

it is a tool that does work. it gets the idea that "wow i fucked big time" into them.

those that resort to it for a majority of punishments has failed.

well said!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

If I had a kid that posted shit like you do, I'd paddle his ass. You must have been raised by Gorillas.

I'll never forget the time my Dad came after me for cursing out the neighbor, but he stopped short when I told him she called him an asshole. This kid probably did the same thing.

I told my dad the same thing when I was a kid.....saved my ass!! Of course it was a lie...but it saved my ass!! lolol

 

[mikeymikec]

And we wonder why kids act the way they do

Because their parents read The Daily Mail (or any other media source that claims to provide the news but is actually just trying to provoke a reaction)?

 

[MtnMan]

None of the shit that is going on is schools today was happening when we knew we would get our ass busted, at school, then again when we got home.

 

[Veliko]

None of the shit that is going on is schools today was happening when we knew we would get our ass busted, at school, then again when we got home.

How could you possibly know this?

People have been saying this same thing for generations.

 

[mikeymikec]

None of the shit that is going on is schools today was happening when we knew we would get our ass busted, at school, then again when we got home.

I shall dub this logic "Jeanie Bueller syndrome":

http://thirdhandworks.com/2010/08/when-you-sound-like-ferris-buellers-sister/

 

[Jeff7]

While I agree parents are too soft on kids. And it doesn't have to be a spanking vs. no spanking debate. I constantly hear parents tell their kids this is their last warning or whatever and never even follow through. I just fail to see a link between that and the entitlement society.

/this

that is a mistake i see many parents make. they tell a child the consequences and they start counting. at 3 they yell and start over.

Growing up i was given one warning. lol if i misbehaved i was punished. My parents would tell me what the punishment was and stick to it.

Also another mistake i see is that parents when threats of punishment they are insane. such as a month grounding or selling all the toys etc. Kids aren't as stupid as you think. they hear that shit and know you won't fallow through with it.

Make the punishment fit the crime. then stick to it.

Ugh, I hate hearing that too.

"This is your last warning! I mean it this time!"
Or the count to 10. Sllloooowwwww count to 10.

Repeat that 10x over the course of a few minutes. Obviously the kid's going to keep acting up, since the parent's have done a perfect job of teaching him that there are no significant consequences to bad behavior.

Even something like a cat or dog will pick up on that sort of thing. Once they learn that their resident primate's yelling carries no real weight, there's no point in listening to it.




God.....cursing at an adult when I was eight years old? That would have been an unholy nightmare for me. That was one of those things that was firmly on the list of things that will not happen.
Stupid that this went to court.
It sure taught the kid a valuable lesson though. "Don't you touch me, or I'll call the police and make your life miserable for awhile."

Or acting up at the store: My mom followed through on the "We're going to leave if you don't behave."
And in the rare case that we did have to leave, she was quite seriously pissed off, because it of course was inconvenient for her, and then for my dad who'd likely have to make the followup trip to finish the shopping. So I'd catch hell again from him once he got home.

 

[fskimospy]

Ugh, I hate hearing that too.

"This is your last warning! I mean it this time!"
Or the count to 10. Sllloooowwwww count to 10.

Repeat that 10x over the course of a few minutes. Obviously the kid's going to keep acting up, since the parent's have done a perfect job of teaching him that there are no significant consequences to bad behavior.

Even something like a cat or dog will pick up on that sort of thing. Once they learn that their resident primate's yelling carries no real weight, there's no point in listening to it.




God.....cursing at an adult when I was eight years old? That would have been an unholy nightmare for me. That was one of those things that was firmly on the list of things that will not happen.
Stupid that this went to court.
It sure taught the kid a valuable lesson though. "Don't you touch me, or I'll call the police and make your life miserable for awhile."

Or acting up at the store: My mom followed through on the "We're going to leave if you don't behave."
And in the rare case that we did have to leave, she was quite seriously pissed off, because it of course was inconvenient for her, and then for my dad who'd likely have to make the followup trip to finish the shopping. So I'd catch hell again from him once he got home.

You guys realize that by objective metrics kids are better behaved than ever these days, right?

 

[Newell Steamer]

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Thanks liberals, good job.

</sarcasm>

Yes - because conservatives have done a far better job at raising children.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Ugh, I hate hearing that too.

"This is your last warning! I mean it this time!"
Or the count to 10. Sllloooowwwww count to 10.

Repeat that 10x over the course of a few minutes. Obviously the kid's going to keep acting up, since the parent's have done a perfect job of teaching him that there are no significant consequences to bad behavior.

Even something like a cat or dog will pick up on that sort of thing. Once they learn that their resident primate's yelling carries no real weight, there's no point in listening to it.




God.....cursing at an adult when I was eight years old? That would have been an unholy nightmare for me. That was one of those things that was firmly on the list of things that will not happen.
Stupid that this went to court.
It sure taught the kid a valuable lesson though. "Don't you touch me, or I'll call the police and make your life miserable for awhile."

Or acting up at the store: My mom followed through on the "We're going to leave if you don't behave."
And in the rare case that we did have to leave, she was quite seriously pissed off, because it of course was inconvenient for her, and then for my dad who'd likely have to make the followup trip to finish the shopping. So I'd catch hell again from him once he got home.

Kids seem to be allowed to behave as they please in restaurants these days too. I'll go to a restaurant and see kids running around their table, screaming, playing, etc, all while the adults at the table sit there and completely ignore them and let them run amok. Our latest "encounter" was a week or two ago at a Mexican restaurant and there were probably 4 kids behaving like this. I looked over and saw other people just staring at them in disgust as well.

Typically, if we go to a restaurant and we're seated close to kids, we'll asked to be moved especially if the kids are already running around and making noise while were shown to our table. This kind of behavior would never have been acceptable when I was a kid. I don't blame the kids; I blame these stupid parents who have no consideration for others and don't have the good sense to be embarrassed by the behavior of their kids. If I had kids and my kid behaved like that, I'd put the food in a to-go box and leave.

EDIT: I remember a couple of years ago when a restaurant made headlines banning kids under a certain age (they had to be 12/13 or older, IIRC). A thread was posted in ATOT and it was amazing how parents in the thread defended the bad behavior of their kids as "kids will be kids" and thought the restaurant was AWFUL for banning young kids.

 

[Texashiker]

If I had a kid that posted shit like you do, I'd paddle his ass. You must have been raised by Gorillas.

I love you moonbeam, I honestly do. <cyber hug>

One of the big differences between conservatives and liberals,

Conservatives want their children to be born into loving and disciplined families.

Liberals do not want their children to be born.

In the liberal mind, the parents should not take responsibility for the child being conceived, much less its rearing and discipline.

That is fine and dandy. If you want to shun your child, who am I to judge you? But then again, when you raise brats who contribute nothing or very little to society, then your lack of discipline becomes a community problem.

Were you good last week moonbeam? Did you call mommy and daddy and ask them for a reward? Maybe go to the police station and ask for a reward since you did not break the law?

You know what my reward was for being good and following the law? I did not go to prison and I was not ass raped.

Liberals think they are entitled to something for following the rules and laws. This is a sense of entitlement. I was good so I deserve something in return.

Conservatives follow the law because it is the right thing to do. If you break the rules or the laws, you are punished.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In the liberal mind, the parents should not take responsibility for the child being conceived, much less its rearing and discipline.

Do liberals hate having to pay child support too?

 

[IronWing]

When troll fails, double down. Repeat until desired result is achieved or abandon thread.

Know when to walk away.

 

[Texashiker]

Do liberals hate having to pay child support too?

Liberals hate children in general.

When troll fails, double down. Repeat until desired result is achieved or abandon thread.

Know when to walk away.

Just can not address the growing problem of people who discipline their children and do not want others disciplining their children either.

For a long time parents have been afraid to discipline their children due to social services getting involved.

In general spanking a child is not child abuse. But yet a parent had to go to court and defend himself? This is not a single case. This is a growing problem. A problem that a great number of parents face everyday.

And for some reason you consider those facts trolling?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So what you're saying is conservatives that hate paying child support are really liberals.

 

[Texashiker]

So what you're saying is conservatives that hate paying child support are really liberals.

Nope. That is using the liberal argument against them.

My body, my choice.

If a woman can avoid responsibility, so should men be entitled to those same rights.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So in other words this comes down to your same ole tired arguments.

Maybe the mods you give you a special thread* where you can post this tired arguments to your hearts content. You would also be able to thread crap the thread as well.

* The title could be OTHTT

 

[fskimospy]

Look at how awful kids are these days!

Teen pregnancy way down:

Teen arrest rates way down:

High school graduation rates up:

Seems like all that liberal parenting is doing a great job.

 

[Texashiker]

Seems like all that liberal parenting is doing a great job.

Post a chart comparing how many young adults are living with their parents today, as compared to say 20, 30 or even 40 years ago.

I suggest the charts you posted are the results of a change in our society rather than liberal parenting.

What happened in 1995, 1996? Video games such as Doom and Quake came out. This gave young men a way to release their anger.

So in other words this comes down to your same ole tired arguments.

If you do not want the answer, do not ask the question.

You ask the same questions, then complain when you get the same answers?

 

[bshole]

Spanking is ok before the age of 5, after that there are much more effective methods. I spanked my two kids a grand total of less than 10 times and it was usually done for safety reasons (they did something that could have been potentially dangerous to them). I did not particularly like the experience, lets face it you are physically assaulting defenseless children who you are supposed to love. I really don't even yell at my kids too much anymore. I think we have a pretty good relationship. I dropped my 13 year old son off at summer camp this last weekend and he came up and gave me a hug goodbye of his volition. I almost teared up.

I don't think the parent's role is to control their kids with an iron fist but more to guide them through childhold, keep them safe and LOVE them. Kids respond to love and positive reinforcement quite well. We use negative reinforcment (denial of good things) occasionally, but all in all, they kids are just plain good kids and a joy to be around, so there is not much need for it.