And we wonder why kids act the way they do

[Texashiker]

When parents are afraid to discipline their children, we end up with a generation of entitlement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-son-8-party-open-hand-boy-cursed-adult.html

• Long Island father spanked his eight-year-old son on the behind for cursing at an adult in March 2013
• Suffolk County Family Court filed a child neglect charge against him after being contacted by social services
• Appellate court has now dismissed the charge, saying the father was within his rights to act the way he did

Even though the charges were dismissed, no parent wants to go to court for disciplining their children.

It is easier to let the heathens run wild than to deal with social services.

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Thanks liberals, good job.

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[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!!! Looks like your troll bait is weak.

 

[allisolm]

"When parents are afraid to discipline their children, we end up with a generation of entitlement."

Disciplining does not equal spanking. Discipline for children can (and should IMO) be accomplished without any physical punishment. Children do not grow up to feel entitled just because they are not spanked. Your entire premise is completely wrong.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Spanking. When you've tried nothing and are fresh out of ideas.

 

[1prophet]

Spanking. When you've tried everything else and are fresh out of ideas.:whiste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaqsd2B9ayw



Or you can just drug them up on Ritalin which seems more acceptable as a behavior control today.

 

[Texashiker]

. Discipline for children can (and should IMO) be accomplished without any physical punishment. Children do not grow up to feel entitled just because they are not spanked. Your entire premise is completely wrong.

I am going to explain why you are mistaken.

1. Your form of discipline only works when you have something the child wants.

Example A:

Parent: If you do not bring up your grades I am going to take your x-box away.
Child: So what, I will go outside and play.

Example B:

Parent: Do not curse or I am going to take your TV away.
Child: So what, I will read.

If the child is willing to do without, you have nothing to negotiate with.

2. Rather than learn respect for the law, you are teaching your child to negotiate.

Example A:

Child: If I do that, then I get this.
Parent: Yes
Child: What happens when you have nothing I want?
Parent: Uhhh, I will increase the rewards.
Child: now we are talking.


Law and order is not a negotiation. Either you follow the law or you are punished.

If society has nothing to offer, the criminal does not mind going to jail.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I am going to explain why you are mistaken.

1. Your form of discipline only works when you have something the child wants.

Example A:

Parent: If you do not bring up your grades I am going to take your x-box away.
Child: So what, I will go outside and play.

Example B:

Parent: Do not curse or I am going to take your TV away.
Child: So what, I will read.

If the child is willing to do without, you have nothing to negotiate with.

2. Rather than learn respect for the law, you are teaching your child to negotiate.

Example A:

Child: If I do that, then I get this.
Parent: Yes
Child: What happens when you have nothing I want?
Parent: Uhhh, I will increase the rewards.
Child: now we are talking.


Law and order is not a negotiation. Either you follow the law or you are punished.

If society has nothing to offer, the criminal does not mind going to jail.

How exactly does a child saying "I can do without that" equate to a "generation of entitlement" in your mind?

"I'm taking away your Xbox."
"Fine, I'll go outside."
"You entitled little shit! This calls for a spanking."

 

[Anarchist420]

not only does it hurt the child physically, the child would have fewer emotional problems if he/she was not spanked. that doesnt give child protective services a place in a free society, however.

I am going to explain why you are mistaken. 1. Your form of discipline only works when you have something the child wants. Example A: Parent: If you do not bring up your grades I am going to take your x-box away. Child: So what, I will go outside and play. Example B: Parent: Do not curse or I am going to take your TV away. Child: So what, I will read. If the child is willing to do without, you have nothing to negotiate with. 2. Rather than learn respect for the law, you are teaching your child to negotiate. Example A: Child: If I do that, then I get this. Parent: Yes Child: What happens when you have nothing I want? Parent: Uhhh, I will increase the rewards. Child: now we are talking. Law and order is not a negotiation. Either you follow the law or you are punished. If society has nothing to offer, the criminal does not mind going to jail.

you're a good person but you dont sound very bipolar. you must be type 2.

anyway, when hillary clinton becomes president, i am worried that there will be more punishments for not turning in your fellow citizens.

 

[Texashiker]

How exactly does a child saying "I can do without that" equate to a "generation of entitlement" in your mind?

Refer to #2, example A.

When children are rewarded for good behavior, they think they are entitled to rewards.

You know what being good gets you in the adult world? It keeps you out of jail.

you're a good person but you dont sound very bipolar. you must be type 2.

I take my medicine everyday.

 

[IGBT]

it's too late. the tattooed iCrap generation are largely unemployable. They will live at home with their parents in the basement.

 

[brycejones]

Yathtt

 

[Texashiker]

Yathtt

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[MongGrel]

When parents are afraid to discipline their children, we end up with a generation of entitlement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-son-8-party-open-hand-boy-cursed-adult.html


Even though the charges were dismissed, no parent wants to go to court for disciplining their children.

It is easier to let the heathens run wild than to deal with social services.

<sarcasm>



Thanks liberals, good job.

</sarcasm>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHPmYIxaiI

 

[Attic]

Don't agree with spanking, but up to the parent.

Obviously the issue is the father being taken to court over this, which is bad.

I'll gladly let people think i'm wrong if I can do the same, as long as some group of assholes doesn't decide to start taking everybody to court because they think they know how everyone else should do every part of their life down to disciplining of children within reason.

 

[Zodiark1593]

it's too late. the tattooed iCrap generation are largely unemployable. They will live at home with their parents in the basement.

Why complain? That's just less competition for the rest of us.

And funny enough, spankings didn't do a damn thing once my pain tolerance went up. The last time, I got whooped by a belt 30 times for lying, and kept a straight face the entire time. The parents hurt way more than I was, apparently.

If your kid has any semblance of pain tolerance, spankings will be largely inneffective anyhow.

 

[waggy]

I am not against spanking. THOUGH it should be used very very rarely. I can count the number of times i spanked my kids on one hand. my son has 2 out of 3 times.

my daughter ran off in a parking lot and almost got hit. a quick smack on her ass let her know not to do that again. she never did either.

my son did the same. first time didn't work. the 2nd he rode his bike and darted across the street. he HIT a car (going like 5 mph) and he got a swat for not looking.

it is a tool that does work. it gets the idea that "wow i fucked big time" into them.

those that resort to it for a majority of punishments has failed.

 

[waggy]

Why complain? That's just less competition for the rest of us.

And funny enough, spankings didn't do a damn thing once my pain tolerance went up. The last time, I got whooped by a belt 30 times for lying, and kept a straight face the entire time. The parents hurt way more than I was, apparently.

If your kid has any semblance of pain tolerance, spankings will be largely inneffective anyhow.

see i think the reason it worked on my kids is not because of the pain issue. hell i wrestle with the kids and playing hit them harder. they just laugh and come back for more.

It was that i even did such a thing to them. That i had to do something so drastic as to use physical force when i never have before was enough to get them to understand how mad i was and how much they messed up.

 

[Matt1970]

While I agree parents are too soft on kids. And it doesn't have to be a spanking vs. no spanking debate. I constantly hear parents tell their kids this is their last warning or whatever and never even follow through. I just fail to see a link between that and the entitlement society.

 

[Texashiker]

I am not against spanking. THOUGH it should be used very very rarely.

Agreed.

Personally, I think a child cursing an adult deserves a spanking.

The problem is the intolerance of liberals. How dare a parent spank their child, even if the child deserved it.

While I agree parents are too soft on kids. And it doesn't have to be a spanking vs. no spanking debate. I constantly hear parents tell their kids this is their last warning or whatever and never even follow through. I just fail to see a link between that and the entitlement society.

I hear parents count to three, start over, count to three again, count to three again,,,, while the child snickers.

Hell no.

Whip that kids ass, I bet they will not be snickering then.

Use the best disciple that works with the child. Not that spanking works all the time.

 

[waggy]

While I agree parents are too soft on kids. And it doesn't have to be a spanking vs. no spanking debate. I constantly hear parents tell their kids this is their last warning or whatever and never even follow through. I just fail to see a link between that and the entitlement society.

/this

that is a mistake i see many parents make. they tell a child the consequences and they start counting. at 3 they yell and start over.

Growing up i was given one warning. lol if i misbehaved i was punished. My parents would tell me what the punishment was and stick to it.

Also another mistake i see is that parents when threats of punishment they are insane. such as a month grounding or selling all the toys etc. Kids aren't as stupid as you think. they hear that shit and know you won't fallow through with it.

Make the punishment fit the crime. then stick to it.

 

[piasabird]

When an adult child mouths off they deserve a beat down sometimes. However, children would not understand violence too much. I see nothing wrong with a pat on a child's behind or a few spankings when the child gets physical and will not behave. What happens is some kids begin to understand that all parents do is talk so they don't ever change their behavior. Sooner or later you have to be able to back up your talk with corporal punishment. My sister never spanked here daughter and she ended up as a drug addicted welfare mom. I spanked my kids mostly when younger. They figured out it was better to try to get along. Then the really argumentative one was my daughter. It was like an emo roller coaster for a while. Children are all different some respond to spanking and some don't. In the end corporal punishment should really be the last resort. Just smacking children because you are an angry drunk does not work. However, one thing I also dislike is to hear people just yell at their children and then do nothing to correct their bad activity. Constant yelling does no good either.

 

[MongGrel]

I guess I learned to tie my shoes about age 5 with belt reinforcement in about an hour at age 5.

And my ABC's the same way about a week later.

Anything later usually involved a plaster lathe.

My dad was a bit of an ass, some things just can't be undone I guess.

He's dead now so irrelevant.

My mother had no idea what was going on at the time I guess, they divorced later, and when he remarried and he remarried my grandfather threatened to kick his ass later if anything like that ever happened again.

But things do change over time I guess, he actually did end up being a good place to grow up in the long run, but as a young child he screwed up with us a lot.

He was way too much a hot head when young, it's hard to explain or even try to justify any of it I guess, life is what it is I guess.

We all find our way.

Societies norms change, but it has gotten very lax, comparably to years ago greatly.

We can agree to disagree I'm sure.

 

[Matt1970]

/this

that is a mistake i see many parents make. they tell a child the consequences and they start counting. at 3 they yell and start over.

Growing up i was given one warning. lol if i misbehaved i was punished. My parents would tell me what the punishment was and stick to it.

Also another mistake i see is that parents when threats of punishment they are insane. such as a month grounding or selling all the toys etc. Kids aren't as stupid as you think. they hear that shit and know you won't fallow through with it.

Make the punishment fit the crime. then stick to it.

Hell no kids aren't dumb and it isn't rocket science. It's up to the parent to decide whatever punishment they feel fits the action, only they need to follow through with the punishment id the kid continues the action.

 

[michal1980]

aren't you the guy that wants everyone else (ie not you or her husband) to pay for your daughters tube job?

 

[Zodiark1593]

Also another mistake i see is that parents when threats of punishment they are insane. such as a month grounding or selling all the toys etc. Kids aren't as stupid as you think. they hear that shit and know you won't fallow through with it.

Make the punishment fit the crime. then stick to it.

Oh? I think forcing your child to watch their stuff being sold would be a fine way to drill into their thick skulls, provided the parent actually goes through with it. Heck, I'd find it to be quite amusing myself.