And we take a step back - measles return

[JTsyo]

WSJ article ( follow link from google news)

The progress we made in eliminating this was undone by the autism scare 15 years ago. While measles itself isn't too bad, it might be the sign of some of the other old diseases that might make a comeback through the unvaccinated.

 

[WelshBloke]

Measles is pretty bad. Its no smallpox but its not something completely trivial.

 

[woolfe9998]

The vaccination/autism link is a fraud. Amazing how many people were suckered by it.

Denial of scientific knowledge, or worse yet, pseudoscience, has practical consequences. Unfortunately it isn't just a game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

 

[waggy]

I just read that.

amazing and scary

 

[xBiffx]

Trying to control nature, one of man's dumbest ideas.

Mother nature always wins.

 

[Jaskalas]

Aren't vaccinations done at an incredibly young age? If there is a concern that the children aren't old enough, the simple answer is to wait a year or two. That would alleviate some of their concerns, wouldn't it?

I mean, if you're looking at the alternative that they never get vaccinated, delaying it a bit is a proper compromise.

 

[woolfe9998]

Aren't vaccinations done at an incredibly young age? If there is a concern that the children aren't old enough, the simple answer is to wait a year or two. That would alleviate some of their concerns, wouldn't it?

I mean, if you're looking at the alternative that they never get vaccinated, delaying it a bit is a proper compromise.

Delaying might be a reasonable compromise but there is no reason to delay as the autism link is a proven hoax by an unscrupulous researcher with a financial motive, and all subsequent research revealed no link at all.

 

[Texashiker]

Stupid anti-vaccine nutters.

It is amazing the long term effect gullible people can have on society.

 

[Paul98]

Aren't vaccinations done at an incredibly young age? If there is a concern that the children aren't old enough, the simple answer is to wait a year or two. That would alleviate some of their concerns, wouldn't it?

I mean, if you're looking at the alternative that they never get vaccinated, delaying it a bit is a proper compromise.

It's because they are ignorant and or stupid. Plus there is no need to compromise with someone who has nothing to back up what they say.

 

[fskimospy]

Delaying might be a reasonable compromise but there is no reason to delay as the autism link is a proven hoax by an unscrupulous researcher with a financial motive, and all subsequent research revealed no link at all.

Exactly. There is no reason to compromise with people who believe something that is clearly, empirically proven to be false. It's like saying that we should make cancer treatment half chemotherapy and half bloodletting as a compromise.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Keep dumbasses from breeding. It's the only way.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's because they are ignorant and or stupid. Plus there is no need to compromise with someone who has nothing to back up what they say.

I think you'll find mob rule does not depend on realities. Their sensibilities are adhered to whether they're right or wrong. Hence our current predicament. Vaccinations are apparently not mandatory if people are avoiding them.

Should that be changed?

 

[woolfe9998]

Trying to control nature, one of man's dumbest ideas.

Mother nature always wins.

I'm not quite sure I get this comment. The measles outbreak was caused by people not getting vaccinated because they believed it caused autism and colitis, which was a hoax. The evidence is that vaccination does win out over "mother nature." It's just that the vaccinations need to actually happen...

 

[woolfe9998]

I think you'll find mob rule does not depend on realities. Their sensibilities are adhered to whether they're right or wrong. Hence our current predicament. Vaccinations are apparently not mandatory if people are avoiding them.

Should that be changed?

I'm undecided about that, but there are perhaps good reasons to make them mandatory. A decision not to vaccinate your child affects more than just your child's health. It affects the health of others. And even if it did only affect your child's health, there's an argument that your child should be protected from your foolish decision. I'm a firm believer that people should be allowed to make foolish decisions, so long as they themselves are the only ones living with the consequences.

 

[nanette1985]

Is measles really all that serious these days? I can remember getting measles as a child, before the vaccine.

 

[WelshBloke]

Is measles really all that serious these days? I can remember getting measles as a child, before the vaccine.

Well, it's really, really contagious and there's no real treatment for it (apart from treating symptoms). It can have some nasty complications up to and including death (but thats pretty rare).

It short it's one to avoid if you can.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

This is simply Darwin for the modern age. Being stupid should hurt. In a fatal way. It makes us stronger.

 

[StrangerGuy]

This is simply Darwin for the modern age. Being stupid should hurt. In a fatal way. It makes us stronger.

Fortunately, we eliminated smallpox before these nutters showed up breathing through the mouth, no?

IMO we should just run up anti-sciencers, religio-nuts and PC idiots and let them run their own country or something. Would make for a good reality show while leaving the rest of us alone.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

The vaccination/autism link is a fraud. Amazing how many people were suckered by it.

Denial of scientific knowledge, or worse yet, pseudoscience, has practical consequences. Unfortunately it isn't just a game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

Well when you had major Hollywood celebrities pushing this bullshit about vaccines what do you expect? Especially when others jumped onto the bandwagon and were playing the "Oh those evil pharmaceutical companies are trying to give your kids autism for profits with these vaccines cause they are greedy" rational. The same can be said about the GMO bullshit scare that isn't actually based on any real science.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Trying to control nature, one of man's dumbest ideas.

Everything you do is an attempt to control nature.

 

[Soundmanred]

IMO we should just run up anti-sciencers, religio-nuts and PC idiots and let them run their own country or something. Would make for a good reality show while leaving the rest of us alone.

The downside is that they would only last one season.
Literally.

 

[michal1980]

jenny McLiar just got another job on the view. another venue to spread her stupidity from.

 

[Doppel]

Trying to control nature, one of man's dumbest ideas.

Mother nature always wins.

No it doesn't. It rained last night and I had a nice sleep in an air conditioned house.

 

[Zstream]

The vaccination/autism link is a fraud. Amazing how many people were suckered by it.

Denial of scientific knowledge, or worse yet, pseudoscience, has practical consequences. Unfortunately it isn't just a game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

I'm not so sure.... There are two ex-coworkers who had similar issues with vaccines. They took their two year old boys to get vaccines who were perfectly normal, no issues with health or allergies. Two months after they vaccines, they started to have severe problems with digesting protein in their bodies and multiple other issues I can't recall.

Now, it could be pure coincidence but knowing two people, three kids seems rather odd to me. I hear similar stories all the time so there is a skeptic in me.

 

[PokerGuy]

Delaying might be a reasonable compromise but there is no reason to delay as the autism link is a proven hoax by an unscrupulous researcher with a financial motive, and all subsequent research revealed no link at all.

While there might not be valid evidence of a link to autism, that doesn't mean that vaccines carry no risk. On average they are safe and effective, but there are going to be people that react severely to any medication, including vaccines. Lets not pretend that there are no reasons to be concerned about vaccines. There are legitimate ones, but logic would dictate that on average the benefits far outweigh the risks. That's up to each person to decide though.

I'm all for vaccinations, but not for them to be mandated by government.