And this is what the anti gun crowd wants...

[CPA]

Interesting. So asking for both sides of a story makes me juvenile and clueless?


Let the circle jerk continue (how's that for juvenile?).

Well, you know maybe we would have both sides if the FUCKING DYFS would answer any questions. They won't even give their names! So, don't blame The Blaze for only giving the father's side.

 

[Gardener]

Ugh. As a cop I had to call child services to a house. It was a reallllllllly hard decision to make and a rookie investigator who came out to take pics was too big of a wuss to make it. The house was beyond ungodly disgusting. Animal shit on the floor, weeks of dirty dishes and garbage, a toilet that had been clogged for who knows how long, no sheets on the kids mattress which was on the floor, it went on and on. Daddy was in Iraq and mommy was failing but I was still scared to what might happen. Chick was actually nice to me, she knew that she had fallen apart. I never went to trial so I'm guessing that she got counseling.

A friend of mine in Houston was a afraid to call CPS over a neighbor's kid who reported being beaten up by his mom's new boyfriend...they didn't want to get the government involved, and potentially break up the family.

For fuck's sake, grow a pair of balls. If some kid is living in shit, make the fucking call.

As for this questionable "Glenn Beck" story, if its true, fire the asshole. But lets not all stick our heads up our @sses and pretend that child abuse isn't a problem and that Child Protective Services doesn't serve the public interest.

 

[CPA]

For all of you questioning the validity of this story, here it is from the AP posted on Yahoo News. Is that good enough for you? At least someone at the DYFS has finally given their name...of course, they wouldn't really comment on their actions. Typical.

 

[CPA]

A friend of mine in Houston was a afraid to call CPS over a neighbor's kid who reported being beaten up by his mom's new boyfriend...they didn't want to get the government involved, and potentially break up the family.

For fuck's sake, grow a pair of balls. If some kid is living in shit, make the fucking call.

As for this questionable "Glenn Beck" story, if its true, fire the asshole. But lets not all stick our heads up our @sses and pretend that child abuse isn't a problem and that Child Protective Services doesn't serve the public interest.

Gardner, no one is doing that and based on the picture there should be no one with an ounce of common sense that would believe that this kid was being abused.

 

[TheVrolok]

I dont think that police did anything wrong here. Reported that they acted professionally. Probably mandated to be there. Rogue protection agent was an asshat though and luckily these people knew their rights.

This ^. No police state non-sense found. Overzealous DYFS member certainly.

 

[ivwshane]

For all of you questioning the validity of this story, here it is from the AP posted on Yahoo News. Is that good enough for you? At least someone at the DYFS has finally given their name...of course, they wouldn't really comment on their actions. Typical.

Yes thank you.

"I don't like what happened," he said. "You're not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that's not freedom; it's like tyranny."

State child welfare spokeswoman Kristine Brown said that when it receives a report of suspected abuse of neglect, it assigns a caseworker to follow up. She said law enforcement officers are asked to accompany caseworkers only if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised.

"It's the caseworker's call," she said. "It is important to note the way an investigation begins is through the child abuse hotline. Someone has to call to let us know there is a concern."

I was merely looking for the facts of the matter and not the spin.
The facts are someone called CPS on them, CPS sent someone out who apparently asked to be escorted out of fear. They asked to see her guns she exercised her rights and she said no, they left it alone and left.

Outrage not found.

 

[Gardener]

For all of you questioning the validity of this story, here it is from the AP posted on Yahoo News. Is that good enough for you? At least someone at the DYFS has finally given their name...of course, they wouldn't really comment on their actions. Typical.

So to clarify, the state received a complaint of suspected child abuse, they investigated it...which they are legally required to do, found no abuse/neglect, and left the child in the home.

Wow, what is the world coming to. Sound like the end times.

 

[Gardener]

Gardner, no one is doing that and based on the picture there should be no one with an ounce of common sense that would believe that this kid was being abused.

Who says the state got a copy of the pict?

From your own damn link:


In this case, the family believes someone called New Jersey's anonymous child abuse hot line.

 

[cubby1223]

Yes thank you.

I was merely looking for the facts of the matter and not the spin.
The facts are someone called CPS on them, CPS sent someone out who apparently asked to be escorted out of fear. They asked to see her guns she exercised her rights and she said no, they left it alone and left.

Outrage not found.

The A.P. article begins with:

The ruddy-cheeked, camouflage-clad boy in the photo smiles out from behind a pair of glasses, proudly holding a gun his father gave him as a present for his upcoming 11th birthday.

which is already more spin than was in the entire write-up on The Blaze.

Hell, your recap of the facts has more spin than these two articles. The A.P. article says police can be asked to come along "if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised" while you jumped to the conclusion the caseworker was fearful.

In other words, stop pretending to be the good information-seeking non-partisan guy you are parading around to be. You're not looking for "the facts", you are just another normal person seeking the story written in the way that satisfies your own inherent biases.

 

[UberNeuman]

The A.P. article begins with:

which is already more spin than was in the entire write-up on The Blaze.

Hell, your recap of the facts has more spin than these two articles. The A.P. article says police can be asked to come along "if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised" while you jumped to the conclusion the caseworker was fearful.

In other words, stop pretending to be the good information-seeking non-partisan guy you are parading around to be. You're not looking for "the facts", you are just another normal person seeking the story written in the way that satisfies your own inherent biases.

All of these "reports" are based off a forum post by the father....

\so little to go on...

 

[shortylickens]

Sorry but the Blaze is clearly a horribly biased site. I cant trust it for any info.
Of course, the other sites and news sources arent great either.

Is the BBC reporting on this? Cuz they're the only ones I can rely on these days.

 

[nextJin]

Sorry but the Blaze is clearly a horribly biased site. I cant trust it for any info.
Of course, the other sites and news sources arent great either.

Is the BBC reporting on this? Cuz they're the only ones I can rely on these days.

CNN isin't horrible (well their IT guys are horrible but still)

 

[ivwshane]

The A.P. article begins with:

which is already more spin than was in the entire write-up on The Blaze.

Hell, your recap of the facts has more spin than these two articles. The A.P. article says police can be asked to come along "if the caseworkers feel their safety could be compromised" while you jumped to the conclusion the caseworker was fearful.

In other words, stop pretending to be the good information-seeking non-partisan guy you are parading around to be. You're not looking for "the facts", you are just another normal person seeking the story written in the way that satisfies your own inherent biases.

You think someone that feels their safety could be compromised isn't a type of fear? Holy fuck you people are stupid.

Keep trying chubby

 

[cubby1223]

Gardner, no one is doing that and based on the picture there should be no one with an ounce of common sense that would believe that this kid was being abused.

I would say the anonymous call to DYFS had some embellishments added in for effect. That's where the story needs to go.

 

[velillen]

All i know is it amazes me how much crap people are willing to put in public places on the internet. Had a talk about it at work recently and all of us pretty much agree'd, theres no reason for "big brother" to watch the people; with facebook and social media our own people are doing a dang good job of reporting on ourselves.


As for the story....if the what the father stated happened is really true then its pretty messed up. But right now its all word of mouth and no hard facts

 

[cubby1223]

You think someone that feels their safety could be compromised isn't a type of fear? Holy fuck you people are stupid.

Keep trying chubby

Prove with facts this DYFS employee feared approaching the house, as opposed to alternate options for police escort such as "being prepared" or "projecting authority".

You've already reduced yourself to name-calling to win the argument.

 

[ivwshane]

Prove with facts this DYFS employee feared approaching the house, as opposed to alternate options for police escort such as "being prepared" or "projecting authority".

You've already reduced yourself to name-calling to win the argument.

Why would one need to be prepared or project authority if they are not afraid?

You must have a limber mind with all the mental gymnastics you do to try and make a point. How about you prove with facts that the CPS person didn't have any fear?

I especially like your outrage of the very accurate description the AP used to describe the photo.


These Glenn Beck fans are like rabid dogs, even think about stepping foot on their property or calling out their beloved website and they are all over you.

Down boy, down!

 

[cubby1223]

You must have a limber mind with all the mental gymnastics you do to try and make a point. How about you prove with facts that the CPS person didn't have any fear?

This employee may have requested a police escort because of fear, but you cannot prove your claim that she did fear approaching the house.

That, my forum friend, is called bias.

These Glenn Beck fans are like rabid dogs, even think about stepping foot on their property or calling out their beloved website and they are all over you.

Down boy, down!

Because it is just too damn funny, this may have been the first time I've ever visited a page on The Blaze

 

[cubby1223]

All of these "reports" are based off a forum post by the father....

\so little to go on...

Very true.

Basically in this one article, The Blaze just said here is a forum post, this is what this person claimed, and that was the end of the article. There were no opinions added, no assumptions made.

Some people of this forum made a lot of assumptions and formed conclusions based on the article, but that was of their own doing, not because of the article.

I make no claims to know what other articles say on the website, they may be very partisan and very biased, I have not read them.

 

[monovillage]

Say Uber, do you think that when a State employee tries to gain access to a locked safe through intimidation and without a warrant that the State employee should be identified?

Do you think that the State employee had probable cause to search that individuals house?

Just curious.

 

[UberNeuman]

Say Uber, do you think that when a State employee tries to gain access to a locked safe through intimidation and without a warrant that the State employee should be identified?

Do you think that the State employee had probable cause to search that individuals house?

Just curious.

Do you have anything to offer other than hearsay?

Just curious.

 

[monovillage]

Do you have anything to offer other than hearsay?

Just curious.

Nope, just the story, so we can say it's only hypothetical.

 

[Ronstang]

I'm sorry but with no warrant the cops have absolutely no business to see a damned thing inside my house. I would have told them to fuck off. Years ago a cop tried coming over our back fence chasing kids from a party....the GF was standing there and told him to get his ass back whence it came....he sheepishly did.

 

[Fenixgoon]

people fear what they don't understand.

glad the dad stood up for his rights.

 

[CPA]

So to clarify, the state received a complaint of suspected child abuse, they investigated it...which they are legally required to do, found no abuse/neglect, and left the child in the home.

Wow, what is the world coming to. Sound like the end times.

No, the state received an anonymous complaint about a boy holding a gun that his FATHER posted of Facebook. Please explain how this is suspected child abuse?