And the COUP continues... EPA blocks CNN and Associated Press.

[dank69]

mmmmkay...

The policy of transferring power away from federal to local.

Are you claiming that is a GOP policy? Please tell me you are joking.

 

[dank69]

I don't think we are going to get anywhere if you think it's me who is failing to understand something here.

Please explain it like I am 5 then.

 

[interchange]

Please explain it like I am 5 then.

You say that defining abortion as murder is way off point. No. That is exactly the point. I don't agree with pro-lifers on that definition, but there is nothing logically flawed with it either.

 

[dank69]

You say that defining abortion as murder is way off point. No. That is exactly the point. I don't agree with pro-lifers on that definition, but there is nothing logically flawed with it either.

How does defining abortion as murder or not murder alter the way legalized abortion affects society?

 

[SMOGZINN]

It probably baffles you because you don't seem to understand that I understand fully what you are saying.

Believing that abortion is murder doesn't change the fact that it isn't murder. This isn't up for debate. Murder is a legal definition and abortion does not fit the legal definition. Now, people can argue that the legal definition should be changed to include abortion but now we are way off the point.

The point is that there is actual evidence that outlawing abortion is detrimental to society. If people choose to believe this is not true then they are by definition choosing not to believe in reality.

Supporting your argument, many people believe the death penalty is also murder. But we, as a society, have decided that sometimes you have to kill people that are bad for society simply to remove them. Some issues are simply larger then individual beliefs.

 

[interchange]

How does defining abortion as murder or not murder alter the way legalized abortion affects society?

If abortion is murder then the US homicide rate raises about 38-fold.

 

[interchange]

Supporting your argument, many people believe the death penalty is also murder. But we, as a society, have decided that sometimes you have to kill people that are bad for society simply to remove them. Some issues are simply larger then individual beliefs.

Laws are made up by people based on their individual beliefs.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Laws are made up by people based on their individual beliefs.

No, laws are made by groups based on aggregate beliefs. No one person makes law in the United States.

 

[Thebobo]

What does this have to do with the EPA ffs?

 

[blackangst1]

Are you claiming that is a GOP policy? Please tell me you are joking.

Here is just one example.

 

[dank69]

If abortion is murder then the US homicide rate raises about 38-fold.

And if breathing is made illegal the crime rate soars to 100%. Please tell me you don't think you've made a valid point with this post. Raising a statistic does not mean society has actually benefited or degraded.

 

[interchange]

No, laws are made by groups based on aggregate beliefs. No one person makes law in the United States.

Ok. A collection of individual beliefs. Although your last statement isn't absolutely correct, it's not what I was referring to anyway.

The point is, a collection of individual beliefs is no less based on belief because it is shared by many.

 

[interchange]

And if breathing is made illegal the crime rate soars to 100%. Please tell me you don't think you've made a valid point with this post. Raising a statistic does not mean society has actually benefited or degraded.

Is it your position that murder is good for society? Because by using the breathing analogy you aren't arguing what should rationally be seen as murder, you are arguing whether murder should be illegal at all.

 

[Thebobo]

 

[dank69]

Here is just one example.

That is an example of a specific GOP policy that happens to be one where they want to transfer power from federal to local. Here is an example of a three specific GOP policies where they want to transfer power away from local and back to federal: marijuana, immigration, and in some cases, abortion.

 

[blackangst1]

That is an example of a specific GOP policy that happens to be one where they want to transfer power from federal to local. Here is an example of a three specific GOP policies where they want to transfer power away from local and back to federal: marijuana, immigration, and in some cases, abortion.

OK. You asked for just one, I gave it to you. Im not interested in arguing your view on such policies since you already predisposed to anti-Republican anything.

 

[dank69]

Is it your position that murder is good for society? Because by using the breathing analogy you aren't arguing what should rationally be seen as murder, you are arguing whether murder should be illegal at all.

If you want to stand by your argument that increasing the homicide rate is by itself bad for society then changing the definition of murder to include abortion would be bad for society because as you said it would increase the homicide rate 38 fold.

 

[dank69]

OK. You asked for just one, I gave it to you. Im not interested in arguing your view on such policies since you already predisposed to anti-Republican anything.

No, you claimed that transferring power from fed to state is a GOP policy. I just gave you three examples of the GOP doing exactly the opposite, so how can you claim that is their policy?

 

[blackangst1]

No, you claimed that transferring power from fed to state is a GOP policy. I just gave you three examples of the GOP doing exactly the opposite, so how can you claim that is their policy?

For a balanced conversation, shall I pull up what the DNC has listed as their policy and give examples of how they arent? Is that where this is going?

 

[dank69]

For a balanced conversation, shall I pull up what the DNC has listed as their policy and give examples of how they arent? Is that where this is going?

If you would like to, knock yourself out. I'd just like one specific GOP policy that you believe is good for America that the Democrats do not support. For example, maybe the policy of transferring power from federal to state level for education is good, but as far as I know, the reason it was transferred to the feds in the first place is because a lot of states were really fucking it up.

 

[interchange]

If you want to stand by your argument that increasing the homicide rate is by itself bad for society then changing the definition of murder to include abortion would be bad for society because as you said it would increase the homicide rate 38 fold.

So are you arguing that homicide of someone who isn't requesting to die should be legal under any circumstance? If not, then it sounds like concession.

 

[dank69]

So are you arguing that homicide of someone who isn't requesting to die should be legal under any circumstance? If not, then it sounds like concession.

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that I am arguing for that. Also please explain what I am supposedly conceding to.

 

[interchange]

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that I am arguing for that. Also please explain what I am supposedly conceding to.

I'm only asking because that's the only way I could justify a stance that supports legal abortion under the condition that abortion is defined as murder.

If you can't refute it, then it follows that whether or not criminalizing abortion is in the interest of the country depends solely on whether abortion is murder. And thus that this Republican policy is in the nation's interest if you are of such belief. And thus conceding that whether or not at least one Republican policy is in the interest of the country is a matter of opinion. And thus that your question is loaded. Which is what started all this back and forth in the first place.

 

[blackangst1]

If you would like to, knock yourself out. I'd just like one specific GOP policy that you believe is good for America that the Democrats do not support. For example, maybe the policy of transferring power from federal to state level for education is good, but as far as I know, the reason it was transferred to the feds in the first place is because a lot of states were really fucking it up.

Nah. Theres enough of that crap here already.

And now that youve put qualifications on your challenge (that you believe is good for America that the Democrats do not support.) why would I do that? So you can retort with how you think its wrong and why?

How about Democrat policies I think are good for America that the GOP doesnt? Oh wait...youve already painted me in a corner so thats not interesting to you.

You arent interested...AT ALL...about possibly seeing a different point of view from yours, but rather all youre interested in pointing out how those that dont agree with you are just wrong. Thats your MO.

Ill pass and agree to disagree.

 

[Amused]

ATTENTION:

You have been distracted by whataboutism and false equivalencies, thus this thread is now totally off topic.

This thread is about the tyranny of a government that limits the free press' access to question them directly.

This thread is, by extension, about the tyranny of a government that slanders and seeks to undermine the free press.

Anything else is off topic, and should be ignored.