And the award for best "f*** around and find out" goes to a (deceased) florida moron

[hal2kilo]

I only envy your status as a Canadian because of your health care system. And you all get way too serious about winter.

I imagine many Canadians are still victims of violent crimes, and if physically unable to defend themselves (or run) are defenseless.

They have no choice but to "get serious" about winter.

 

[eelw]

They have no choice but to "get serious" about winter.

Lol our winters have been pretty mild past several years. Only 4-5 major storms through the season. And none of the 4’ dumping that hit the US last week. Only weird thing is getting snow in late April. It actually snowed in May last year And for some reason it hit mid 70’s like a week before Christmas

 

[pauldun170]

Curious, what do you mean by "noted"?

Loading groceries in the back of my car, when a car with dark tinted windows came speeding down the row I was on, and stopped very abruptly directly behind me, probably within 6 feet.

Hand on gun, thumb on safety, in my waistband, turned and faced them. Not sure exactly what they were up to, but the guy decided his best option was to not get out (he had opened the passenger door), and the car sped off.

Their intent... who knows, just fuck with old man, take his car, rob? But I'm pretty sure they sensed this guy might not be an easy mark.

Noted?
Don't mean much of anything by it.
I guess it came out since I know a few folks in the State

 

[Bitek]

Lol our winters have been pretty mild past several years. Only 4-5 major storms through the season. And none of the 4’ dumping that hit the US last week. Only weird thing is getting snow in late April. It actually snowed in May last year And for some reason it hit mid 70’s like a week before Christmas

Sounds like Colorado!

Blizzards in May, shorts weather in January, or vice versa. Roll the dice and dress in layers.

 

[MtnMan]

That is really sad .

There are a lot of areas where it is just not necessary. If you ever get the chance to move someplace else, just do it. Not having to do the drills or the range time saves a lot of time and money, and the peace of mind does wonders. Once you leave shitty America, the jobs, housing, healthcare, education are all better. The people have a far greater sense of community and humanity and it is a far healthier way and place to thrive.

People live in situations for a long time and they begin to accept them as normal. It is not until a person is removed from a situation they realize just how completely insane it is.



What the gun control people fail to realize is there are many shitty horrific places in this country where the value of a firearm greatly exceeds its liability. Unlucky people for various unfortunate reasons to end up living in those violent and cruel communities. They need to be allowed to have a fighting chance.

The flip side is the pro-gun people need to realize that is a completely insane situation and there are many places in this country a firearm is nothing more then massive liability. That owning a firearm for self defense is not normal and is an indicator of complete and utter failure of their community and neighborhood.

Where is this utopia where there are no violent crimes, carjackings, gangs, road rage, hood rats, etc.?

I'm in a red state, but in a liberal city. The county has voted blue in every election I can recall. But we have gangs, hood rats (youth growing up in public housing) where crime and drug dealing is the primary source of income. Road ragers, well they are mobile, so they are everywhere, and some even drive cars I can't afford. Muggings, knocking over little old ladies for their purse, hear it on the scanner all too often. This is not seeking out the seedy part of town, but at the mall, grocery store, gas pumps, ATM, places we all go about our normal routine.

You mentioned living in Florida... ugh, no, thanks for many reasons and that is before factoring in the people.

 

[MtnMan]

Even here in Toronto, our random crime rates are low. Any violent crimes are targeted or domestic.

Targeted, you mean like they like your car, and they want it?

 

[eelw]

Targeted, you mean like they like your car, and they want it?

No, referring to gang shootings. But looked up recent carjacking. One suspect caught and charged with 5 separate carjackings. And 2 other separate incidents. Like sure it happens, but not something we are frightened of happening here.

 

[MtnMan]

No, referring to gang shootings. But looked up recent carjacking. One suspect caught and charged with 5 separate carjackings. And 2 other separate incidents. Like sure it happens, but not something we are frightened of happening here.

Have you asked those 5 victims how they feel about it? They might have a perspective that differs.

I'm pretty sure there were also more than 5 carjackings in Toronto also.

 

[pauldun170]

Where is this utopia where there are no violent crimes, carjackings, gangs, road rage, hood rats, etc.?

I live in NY
I have never worried about the things you describe. Not even when I lived in "bad neighborhoods " (aka poor neighborhoods with minorities).
However I got a glow about me.

The culture\society I live in is very different then where you live.

 

[MtnMan]

I live in NY
I have never worried about the things you describe. Not even when I lived in "bad neighborhoods " (aka poor neighborhoods with minorities).
However I got a glow about me.

The culture\society I live in is very different then where you live.

No violent crime in NY... who knew...

 

[repoman0]

I live in NY
I have never worried about the things you describe. Not even when I lived in "bad neighborhoods " (aka poor neighborhoods with minorities).
However I got a glow about me.

The culture\society I live in is very different then where you live.

Yeah, this. I own a gun but it will be a cold day in hell (like complete breakdown of society, a non-zero possibility these days) before I carry it or even consider using it against a person. Not once in thirteen years of living here have I wished I was armed in public. I’m thankful for that because it sounds like that’s not the case everywhere. One of many reasons I will never move out of New England and if I do it will be to Canada.

 

[pauldun170]

No violent crime in NY... who knew...

In my county, violent crime is not an issue people really have to deal with too often.
I do not have any of your concerns or fears nor have I experienced or seen data that would lead to me to feel the way you do.

Every population is going to have a crime rate. Every google search is going to turn up a crime in area square foot of the country.
Where I live, crime is low and violent crime is not a major concern here like it is where you live.
When I travel throughout NY, including NYC I don't carry the same fear that you do.

No one carries guns in my county. No one cares except the whackjobs on the local gun forum and facebook groups.

I asked you for details because I was curious why you felt the need. If you are bothered that I don't feel the same way about where I live than the way you feel about where you live that's on you. Not me.
I at least know that where you live in North Carolina is not a place I would ever want to live and you shared specifics.

If you were to move next door me, I'm pretty confident that your gun would end up in the same place that a lot of other gun owners in the area do. In some random closet, gathering dust.

 

[shortylickens]

I live in NY
I have never worried about the things you describe. Not even when I lived in "bad neighborhoods " (aka poor neighborhoods with minorities).
However I got a glow about me.

The culture\society I live in is very different then where you live.

Let me make something abundantly clear because you obviously dont understand: Anyone, ANYONE, who has needed a gun and did not have it, is no longer around to make the argument for carrying a gun.
It doesnt matter if you live in the worst shithole of St. Louis, or a farm in Minnesota, or a secured penthouse apartment in Los Angeles. IF you need a gun, and you do not have one, you are in exactly the same boat as anyone else.
You see my point?

 

[pauldun170]

Let me make something abundantly clear because you obviously dont understand: Anyone, ANYONE, who has needed a gun and did not have it, is no longer around to make the argument for carrying a gun.
It doesnt matter if you live in the worst shithole of St. Louis, or a farm in Minnesota, or a secured penthouse apartment in Los Angeles. IF you need a gun, and you do not have one, you are in exactly the same boat as anyone else.
You see my point?

Your point = "Everyone needs a gun because scenarios"

You are letting your trauma or whatever it is you go through on a daily basis control how you read someone post that they feel safe where they live and don't have the troubles that you do.

I can understand why MtnMan feels the way he does and not once did I argue about his decision making.
Same thing goes for you.

If you refuse to hear what I say about my circumstances then that's your problem. Not mine.

 

[DaaQ]

Your point = "Everyone needs a gun because scenarios"

You are letting your trauma or whatever it is you go through on a daily basis control how you read someone post that they feel safe where they live and don't have the troubles that you do.

I can understand why MtnMan feels the way he does and not once did I argue about his decision making.
Same thing goes for you.

If you refuse to hear what I say about my circumstances then that's your problem. Not mine.

I grew up in Dearborn Heights Michigan, not far from Detroit. Actually the greater Detroit Metropolitan area to be exact.

I had never felt in imminent danger, even downtown Detroit. Also when I went through my divorce and went off the rails, and went into the "bad scene" I still never felt the need to carry.

I was the ONLY white male in a drug neighborhood, at an after hours party, with something of the order of 50+ people there, where gunshots were fired off as well which broke the party up, did I feel I needed to carry.

I will tell you the scariest part of that time of my life, was when going after bars closed to white cops house to continue partying, where the owner of the house and a city cop was drunk enough that he wanted to go "hunt" awesome people in his ranger, could seat 3. They tried talking me into going. That was a FIRM NO from me, him and two others left with at a minimum of a shotgun, that was when I left drove my truck around to the next street and slept until dawn broke. I got the fuck out of there and never went back.

I have no idea what they did, nor do I want to know. Bad part was is one of their friends was a Detroit cop from I think 8th precinct, who rolled and totaled his ranger prior to this event, and they covered it up, tow truck and all.

 

[shortylickens]

Your point = "Everyone needs a gun because scenarios"

You are letting your trauma or whatever it is you go through on a daily basis control how you read someone post that they feel safe where they live and don't have the troubles that you do.

Yeah, everything you just said was both a lie and an assumption.
But dont worry, you're gonna be fine. Republicans have proven beyond all doubt its possible to live your entire life on lies and assumptions.

 

[Meghan54]

Damn....and you were doing so well until you got to the dipshit portion of your presentation. Sad.

 

[Meghan54]

Let me make something abundantly clear because you obviously dont understand: Anyone, ANYONE, who has needed a gun and did not have it, is no longer around to make the argument for carrying a gun.
It doesnt matter if you live in the worst shithole of St. Louis, or a farm in Minnesota, or a secured penthouse apartment in Los Angeles. IF you need a gun, and you do not have one, you are in exactly the same boat as anyone else.
You see my point?

Seriously....how the fuck do y'all keep finding yourselves in situations in which you need a gun to survive? Ever think your own choices are part of the situation you keep finding yourselves in?

I've been in NYC, Baltimore (on the Block partying), Boston, ATL, Chicago, San Antonio, Houston, Birmingham, Charlotte (and on and on), several countries in Europe, some smaller towns in Canada, such as Kingston, and have yet to be mugged or any attempt of such. Guess I'm magic or something. Nor have my houses been invaded. Nor have my vehicles been stolen.

Maybe it's because I have black friends? LOL!


edit: Not to be a hypocrite, but I do own guns. Specifically, a New England Arms .410/.22 over/under....mostly used as a snake gun (using the .410) cause it's cheaper to shoot than my other weapons, a .32 Colt semi-auto pistol, a .270 Savage LH bolt action rifle, and a Colt Commander Lightweight. The guns are kept all partly disassembled and none loaded, obviously. I also have a 75# dog.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Seriously....how the fuck do y'all keep finding yourselves in situations in which you need a gun to survive? Ever think your own choices are part of the situation you keep finding yourselves in?

I've been in NYC, Baltimore (on the Block partying), Boston, ATL, Chicago, San Antonio, Houston, Birmingham, Charlotte (and on and on), several countries in Europe, some smaller towns in Canada, such as Kingston, and have yet to be mugged or any attempt of such. Guess I'm magic or something. Nor have my houses been invaded. Nor have my vehicles been stolen.

Maybe it's because I have black friends? LOL!


edit: Not to be a hypocrite, but I do own guns. Specifically, a New England Arms .410/.22 over/under....mostly used as a snake gun (using the .410) cause it's cheaper to shoot than my other weapons, a .32 Colt semi-auto pistol, a .270 Savage LH bolt action rifle, and a Colt Commander Lightweight. The guns are kept all partly disassembled and none loaded, obviously. I also have a 75# dog.

Lived in SC when I was in the military, had two close calls there. One was when I was working night shift, was heading home in my Camaro at 2AM or so for 'lunch' and came up to this intersection, on an otherwise deserted HWY378.

Now funny part about this highway, there was an intersection crossing request button right there for the longest (looks like it's been removed from what I can see), of course without anywhere to go across the street (fence for the base). I'm coming down here and from ~300' out I can see a figure in a big puffy jacket hanging out under the lights there at that button, and as I'm maybe 100' out, the light goes yellow, despite there being no other traffic on the road. As I hit about 50', he starts to walk toward the middle of the intersection, before he realizes I actually sped up and I'm just blowing through the red light, because I'm not an idiot. He stares at me as I drive past, then walks back to his post. A darker part of me wishes I had just swerved.

Another incident, same town, was stopping very briefly at an autozone I think to grab something, probably oil, same vehicle. Was mucking around in the trunk, guy comes up who I caught out of the corner of my eye, asks to borrow gas money, I put my hand on the crowbar I keep in my trunk at all times, I tell him sorry, I don't keep cash on me, he says alright, then makes his leave. Pretty confident that would have gone poorly had I taken my wallet out of my pocket.

 

[shortylickens]

Seriously....how the fuck do y'all keep finding yourselves in situations in which you need a gun to survive? Ever think your own choices are part of the situation you keep finding yourselves in?

I've been in NYC, Baltimore (on the Block partying), Boston, ATL, Chicago, San Antonio, Houston, Birmingham, Charlotte (and on and on), several countries in Europe, some smaller towns in Canada, such as Kingston, and have yet to be mugged or any attempt of such. Guess I'm magic or something. Nor have my houses been invaded. Nor have my vehicles been stolen.

Maybe it's because I have black friends? LOL!


edit: Not to be a hypocrite, but I do own guns. Specifically, a New England Arms .410/.22 over/under....mostly used as a snake gun (using the .410) cause it's cheaper to shoot than my other weapons, a .32 Colt semi-auto pistol, a .270 Savage LH bolt action rifle, and a Colt Commander Lightweight. The guns are kept all partly disassembled and none loaded, obviously. I also have a 75# dog.

If you need to make up lies for your argument then you don't have an argument.
I never said I keep finding myself in situations where I need a gun to survive. I said once in my life a man attempted to kill me.
I also said anybody who ever needed a gun and didn't have one is not able to make their case for owning a gun.
And nobody here has made an intelligent counter argument.
Nor has anyone here made an intelligent counter argument to the holocaust.
That was real by the way. It actually happened.
It's not just a Steven Spielberg fantasy.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

what are the chances we can get back to the original threads topic?

 

[K1052]

Regarding car ownership and the odds somebody is packing in a red state I don't think that you can make a lot of assumptions anymore.

The range I go to has a wide variety of vehicles from BMWs and Mercs to yes even the occasional Prius. Lot of Teslas too. Granted its in an urban area and draws a more upscale, even arguably liberal, clientele.

I don't carry because I simply don't like carrying things and don't want to be responsible for a firearm out in public. Nor do I leave one in my vehicle because tons of guns get stolen out of cars.

 

[shortylickens]

what are the chances we can get back to the original threads topic?

Same chances as a P&N regular bringing something original and intelligent to the discussion.

 

[eelw]

And nobody here has made an intelligent counter argument.

Actually I have. I’m Canadian. I live in a civilized society where we don’t live in fear when in public. And make it difficult for Americans to bring their firearms across the boarder.

 

[pauldun170]

Yeah, everything you just said was both a lie and an assumption.
But dont worry, you're gonna be fine. Republicans have proven beyond all doubt its possible to live your entire life on lies and assumptions.

I'm not worried at all.
That's what seems to throw you for a loop.