And so it begins: Wikileaks founder accused of rape

[Vette73]

My understanding was that the charges are still in place, the authorities just don't feel the seriousness of them justifes an arrest warrant??

I guess your "understanding" does not read the news?

"But on Saturday, less than full day later, Chief Prosecutor Eva Finne said in a statement posted on the authority's website that Assange was "no longer wanted" and "is not suspected of rape.""

 

[Phokus]

My understanding was that the charges are still in place, the authorities just don't feel the seriousness of them justifes an arrest warrant??

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HNV2JO0.htm

Prosecutors withdraw warrant for WikiLeaks founder Assange, saying rape suspicion unfounded.

How can the rape charges still be in place if the accusation of rape is unfounded according to authorities?

 

[palehorse]

Anyone who supports Assange, and/or the release of the classified documents, is a worthless fuck. Any American who does so is a fucking traitor.

All traitors should hang.

 

[nobodyknows]

I guess your "understanding" does not read the news?

"But on Saturday, less than full day later, Chief Prosecutor Eva Finne said in a statement posted on the authority's website that Assange was "no longer wanted" and "is not suspected of rape.""

What about the molestation charge? And is the girl still accusing him of rape or did she drop the charges? My understandg from the last article i read was that the chrages weren't serious enough to justify an aresst warrant?? I never read anyplace that the girls recanted on their accusations?

 

[Vette73]

Anyone who supports Assange, and/or the release of the classified documents, is a worthless fuck. Any American who does so is a fucking traitor.

All traitors should hang.

So I guess the Gov can break the law and as long as the evidance is "classified" they get a walk?

It has already been shown that the military has outright lied about many things in the last several years and without leaks we would not know and the cover up would have held.

What happened to the "if you did nothing wrong..." line?
Wiki leaks has already said they would work with the DoD to black out peoples names to protect them.

 

[her209]

So I guess the Gov can break the law and as long as the evidance is "classified" they get a walk?

It has already been shown that the military has outright lied about many things in the last several years and without leaks we would not know and the cover up would have held.

What happened to the "if you did nothing wrong..." line?
Wiki leaks has already said they would work with the DoD to black out peoples names to protect them.

Exactly. You don't have to look farther than the Pat Tillman story to see why its bad.

 

[palehorse]

Wiki leaks has already said they would work with the DoD to black out peoples names to protect them.

It's a bit too late for that. IMO, the release of information concerning sources and methods is fucking criminal, period.

All traitors should hang.

 

[BoberFett]

Anyone who supports Assange, and/or the release of the classified documents, is a worthless fuck. Any American who does so is a fucking traitor.

All traitors should hang.

That we have so many classified documents is shameful. If the government were more transparent in its actions, I'd be happy to let them keep very important information a secret. But since we all know that Washington is a corrupt den of filth and can't be trusted, then unfortunately we can't allow them to keep anything a secret.

 

[palehorse]

That we have so many classified documents is shameful. If the government were more transparent in its actions, I'd be happy to let them keep very important information a secret. But since we all know that Washington is a corrupt den of filth and can't be trusted, then unfortunately we can't allow them to keep anything a secret.

I agree that over-classification is a problem. That said, sources and methods must remain an exception to your cry for transparency because real lives -- both ours and theirs -- are on the line. Period. Are you suggesting that the lives of our intelligence professionals and their foreign sources are expendable?

Please refer me to a single major crime that was revealed by the release of these documents.

Other than clearly demonstrating flaws in both our classification processes and the security of our classified documents, can you please explain to me what good has come from their release?

All traitors should hang.

 

[her209]

Please refer me to a single major crime that was revealed by the release of these documents.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack

 

[Acanthus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack

owned.

 

[palehorse]

Please refer me to a single major crime that was revealed by the release of these documents.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack

Which part of "these documents" confused you?

I was quite obviously and specifically referring to the recent 90,000+ documents that have placed our collectors' and their sources' lives at risk.

EDIT: Concerning the video, it's simply unfortunate that civilians such as yourself were exposed to one of the ugly truths in warfare -- that being the tragic mistakes that often occur in the heat of battle. Criminal? I think not... Nonetheless, it's still irrelevant to both my original challenge and the animosity I feel toward Assange and those who support the more recent release of the documents.

owned.

not so much...

All traitors should hang.

 

[nobodyknows]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack

That looked more like a major screw up then a crime? They thought they saw weapons and andRPG, so they fired. They were wrong, maybe too quick on the trigger but it was a mistake and wasn't done on purpose that I can tell?

 

[shira]

Not when the information contains specifics that WILL INEVITABLY lead to death and making a mission so much more difficult.

It's akin to publishing the names of informants within Hells Angels because "information wants to be free" or giving up adresses to the public so that those who want to can kill those who live there.

There is a reason for confindentiality on these documents and i don't give a fuck what you think about it.

I'll shoot him myself if i get the chance.

Time to stop with the Rambo fantasies, Junior.

 

[her209]

EDIT: Concerning the video, it's simply unfortunate that civilians such as yourself were exposed to one of the ugly truths in warfare -- that being the tragic mistakes that often occur in the heat of battle. Criminal? I think not... Nonetheless, it's still irrelevant to both my original challenge and the animosity I feel toward Assange and those who support the more recent release of the documents.

That looked more like a major screw up then a crime? They thought they saw weapons and andRPG, so they fired. They were wrong, maybe too quick on the trigger but it was a mistake and wasn't done on purpose that I can tell?

Therefore deserving of being classified?

 

[OCGuy]

Wake me up for this thread:

And So It Ends: Wikileaks Founder Accused of Being Shot in the Head

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

He's still under investigation for sexual assault, there are no ifs or buts about this.

He's no longer held in custody for any charge since the severity of the eventual charge will not permit that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Time to stop with the Rambo fantasies, Junior.

I don't know what that means, son.

Perhaps being a retard is the standard of excellence amongst your peers (it seems not since you actually take the time to research before making arguments in other threads) but in the real world it's not.

Perhaps you cannot understand that supplying the Taliban with names of those who help and assist in the war against them will inevitably lead to their deaths but then again, perhaps you are just a fucking twat without an ounce of intelligence when it comes to this?

Not that anyone with half a brain can't figure out what will happen when the most extreme suicidal maniacs get word of people living among them but still... Perhaps i'm wrong and you are a fucked up little twat in all ways after all and root for the Talibans...

Imagine this, you are amongst a bunch of homocidal maniacs, you act like you are just there but you are secretly doing what is right, that is, supporting their opposition with information about them, now along comes Julian and tell them and the rest of the world what you are doing... Would that be ok with you?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Therefore deserving of being classified?

This video is ok to be made public if you want propaganda to be used against your nations troops. Is there any misconduct? If so it should be handled the way it's always been handled.

Any evidence should be presented to prove that misconduct, but not be made public.

It's the same as the standard procedure of any trial.

That isn't the point though, the strategies of several units are now well known to the enemy along with names of informants that we cannot possibly get out of there and all civilians in the vincinity will also pay the price, either that or we get to them first, either way, they are dead.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Wake me up for this thread:

And So It Ends: Wikileaks Founder Accused of Being Shot in the Head

One can only hope....

 

[Fern]

It's funny to see so many rushing to put on the tin foil hats, yet they poo-poo others doing something similar when it suits them. "Ack! Black Ops, CIA traps, he'll probably be found dead etc"

Maybe he did actually act in a questionable maner with these women, or maybe after seeing him plastered all over the MSM these women figured an acusation might net them some $'s (quiet settlement).

You guys really want to accuse Obama of authorizing some weird 'dirty tricks' campaign againsy this guy? And reports say that the DoD and DoJ are both now looking at charges against him.

Fern

 

[palehorse]

Therefore deserving of being classified?

What does the video -- or the possible over-classification thereof -- have to do with my original challenge?

1) Were there any major crimes revealed by the recent criminal release of the 75,000+ classified documents, yes or no?

2) Other than clearly demonstrating flaws in both our classification processes and the security of our classified documents, can you please explain to me what good has come from their release?

3) Do you give a shit about the lives of our collectors and their foreign sources, yes or no?

 

[BoberFett]

Therefore deserving of being classified?

Exactly. They can't be trusted to keep the proper information classified, so nothing can be. Everything needs to be out in the open. People can complain that it will cost lives if this information is released, but how many lives has the Iraq war already cost? Lives were clearly not a concern back then, why the concern now?

 

[BoberFett]

One can only hope....

And if we're lucky, the leaked information will kill you too.

 

[shira]

Anyone who supports Assange, and/or the release of the classified documents, is a worthless fuck. Any American who does so is a fucking traitor.

All traitors should hang.

So, if I come into possession of a classified document that reveals that (say) the Gulf of Tonkin incident is a complete fabrication of the U.S. government being used as a pretext to escalate the War in Viet Nam, I'm a traitor if I send that document to the N.Y. Times and save the lives of 40,000 U.S. servicemen who would otherwise have died in a misbegotten war to prevent the "Domino" effect?

Naturally, the U.S. government would NEVER lie to the American people and engage us in unnecessary wars.