And of course, no one can get shot without some mention of gun control...

[Darwin333]

He wasn't a gun nut. He was a madman who, if his conditions had been properly reported, would never have committed his crime under current law. The only way to modify gun laws to prevent crimes like his is to prevent people with clean records from owning guns. Which amounts to a gun ban. Anything else is a feel good measure that does nothing more than restrict the innocent.

Existing law would have also prevented this.

The sheriff has stated that he has previously publicly threatened to kill people. That is a felony and if the sheriff had done his job he wouldn't be able to legally own or purchase a firearm.

 

[her209]

Irrelevant. CA gun laws are some of the strictest in the nation.

And Arizona laws are some of the least in the nation. Your point?

 

[Amused]

And Arizona laws are some of the least in the nation. Your point?

CA has a higher murder rate, and gun violence rate than Arizona.

But my point was it doesn't matter if he wasn't from Oakland. The vast majority of CA's restrictive gun laws are state laws, not local.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

And Arizona laws are some of the least in the nation. Your point?

Gun laws don't make you safe.

Hint: You don't need a 30 round clip to kill several people(including armed cops).

Go look up Lovelle Mixon.

 

[Amused]

Existing law would have also prevented this.

The sheriff has stated that he has previously publicly threatened to kill people. That is a felony and if the sheriff had done his job he wouldn't be able to legally own or purchase a firearm.

Shhh!

He's too busy promoting his party line to actually enforce the law.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, a Democrat, also found a political element in Saturday's bloodshed. Dupnik argued that the "vitriol" of the country's harshly polarized political climate was partly to blame, arguing that unbalanced individuals are uniquely "susceptible" to vitriol. Dupnik added, in an interview with Fox News' Megyn Kelly: "We see one party trying to block the attempts of another party to make this a better country."

Asked by Kelly if he had any evidence Loughner was in any way influenced by political "vitriol," Dupnik offered none. "That's my opinion, period," he said

And:

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, also a Democrat, lamented on Saturday, saying, “I have never been a proponent of letting everybody in this state carry weapons under any circumstances

Just wow...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It's already illegal for a felon to own a gun. You want to make it against the law for a felon to own a gun? Already a law.

How about make it against the law to sell to a felon privately? WAIT! It already is against the law to do so!

Yet you don't need to do background checks for private sale so how would you know? It's very unlikely that someone will tell you they are a felon if they are going to buy a gun privately.

It's as if it was illegal to sell alcohol to minors but no law saying you actually had to check their ages, it's bloody stupid.

 

[irishScott]

Existing law would have also prevented this.

The sheriff has stated that he has previously publicly threatened to kill people. That is a felony and if the sheriff had done his job he wouldn't be able to legally own or purchase a firearm.

Agreed. Making the whole "ban 30 round mags" issue irrelevant.

 

[matt0611]

Shhh!

He's too bust promoting his party line to actually enforce the law.

And:

Just wow...

Wow...that is simply disgusting.

 

[spidey07]

Yet you don't need to do background checks for private sale so how would you know? It's very unlikely that someone will tell you they are a felon if they are going to buy a gun privately.

It's as if it was illegal to sell alcohol to minors but no law saying you actually had to check their ages, it's bloody stupid.

Stay on topic. This guy legally purchased a handgun and hi-cap magazine at a store, no laws were broken and doubtful any could be made that wouldn't be unconstitutional to prevent him. The blame is purely on this sheriff.

And I'll point out yet again that it was likely the hi-cap magazine that allowed folks to stop him. A regular mag he may not have had trouble and as said many times over - with proper training and practice switching a mag is a matter of about 1.5 seconds.

 

[Zebo]

Reactionary jackasses. Thank goodness R won this time around and cooler heads will prevail. The Second Amendment is for you to be able to personally protect Your Life. That right is unalienable IMO not just based on who's bigger stronger faster and more criminal.

 

[Jaskalas]

Reactionary jackasses. Thank goodness R won this time around and cooler heads will prevail. The Second Amendment is for you to be able to personally protect Your Life. That right is unalienable IMO not just based on who's bigger stronger faster and more criminal.

They might oppose gun control, but Republican leaders love big government. They are part of it. They'll find a way to pass an updated Patriot Act.

 

[Amused]

They might oppose gun control, but Republican leaders love big government. They are part of it. They'll find a way to pass an updated Patriot Act.

Sadly, you are correct. The best we can hope for is a mixed, gridlocked government.

 

[exdeath]

There will be no gun control laws from this, gun rights have expanded greatly. Most sane people realize that guns don't cause crime. The only ones you'll hear a peep out of are the ones like McCarthy and Feinstein, who have introduced the renewed assault weapon ban every session since it expired. It goes nowhere, it's a dead horse in politics.

Also lol at people emphasizing high capacity mags and semiautomatic to drum up similarities with the assault weapon ban when the killer used a hand gun.

Also to draw the ire of libs in this thread, assault weapon, high capacity mags, and ammo sales have been through the roof since November when Obama won, and continue to climb. This event and talking about banning them will only spur even more impulse buys and get more "guns on the street".

So on the remote chance any legislation does get through, most who want them have them, are still buying them, or can still get them right now, and there is nothing you can do about it, before or after any new legislation.

I personally will be picking up a few dozen of the 33 rd glock 9mm mags for a Keltec Sub 2000 (an evil folding black 'assault' carbine), just in case.

 

[spidey07]

I also love how the media continues to say "semi-automatic handgun".

Oh noes! You mean he had a semi-auto handgun! How in the world did he have access to a semi-automatic weapon! Leaving out the detail that most all handguns and rifles are semi-auto.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Stay on topic. This guy legally purchased a handgun and hi-cap magazine at a store, no laws were broken and doubtful any could be made that wouldn't be unconstitutional to prevent him. The blame is purely on this sheriff.

And I'll point out yet again that it was likely the hi-cap magazine that allowed folks to stop him. A regular mag he may not have had trouble and as said many times over - with proper training and practice switching a mag is a matter of about 1.5 seconds.

You responded to my argument arguing against it and now you want to escape the discussion?

That's ok.

In any other nation, that punk wouldn't have a gun.

 

[exdeath]

If Giffords pulls through this somehow, and still defends gun rights, I will have to move to her district and support her. D or no D that would be some serious principle. I prefer her to Raul Grijalva (D, Mexico) by a factor of 1000000 anyway.

 

[irishScott]

You responded to my argument arguing against it and now you want to escape the discussion?

That's ok.

In any other nation, that punk wouldn't have a gun.

If it weren't for a procedural error, he wouldn't have one here either.

 

[exdeath]

I also love how the media continues to say "semi-automatic handgun".

Oh noes! You mean he had a semi-auto handgun! How in the world did he have access to a semi-automatic weapon! Leaving out the detail that most all handguns and rifles are semi-auto.

You responded to my argument arguing against it and now you want to escape the discussion?

That's ok.

In any other nation, that punk wouldn't have a gun.

But this isn't any other nation, so case closed. Unless you want to talk about preventing people like this from getting guns in a constitutional way.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

But this isn't any other nation, so case closed. Unless you want to talk about preventing people like this from getting guns in a constitutional way.

That was the point of my earlier post, he could just buy one second hand, you can legally sell to felons, escaped prisoners, terrorists and foreigners since you do not need to do any background checks.

But yeah, it's the US, where only the criminals have gu... oh wait..

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

If it weren't for a procedural error, he wouldn't have one here either.

Sure he would, he could buy a second hand gun, remember, no background checks needed for that.

 

[exdeath]

You responded to my argument arguing against it and now you want to escape the discussion?

That's ok.

In any other nation, that punk wouldn't have a gun.

Or he would have just found one in gun free Mexico of the full auto not sold in the USA variety and smuggled it over the border like the Mexicans do.

 

[Zebo]

You responded to my argument arguing against it and now you want to escape the discussion?

That's ok.

In any other nation, that punk wouldn't have a gun.

Whatever. Mexico has the strongest gun laws in the world and 15,000 murders were committed last year. MORE than USA per capita with almost no restrictions. MANY politicians and LEOs killed dead with guns. Laws don't work because criminals don't give a fuck. There are illegal guns in UK and every EU nation as well murders. Not to mention you don't need a gun to kill people. A car moving at 15 MPH or gasoline cocktail does too and about a million other ways. You can't stop crazy. You can't stop criminal. All more laws do is make law abiding people victims in a shooting gallery.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I think we should return to our constitutional roots, and outlaw all guns except black powder muskets and cannons.

If you've got a problem with somebody load up the blunderbuss

 

[Zebo]

I think we should return to our constitutional roots, and outlaw all guns except black powder muskets and cannons.

If you've got a problem with somebody load up the blunderbuss

I hope you're joking. Z hunts with black powder between bow and rifle season, half the time it doesn't go off not to mention if more than one breaks in your house.

 

[JSt0rm]

What makes him a gun nut?

If it turns out his favorite book was the communist manifesto is he then a leftwing nut or would he just be a plain nut?

I think his reasons for reading the communist manifesto were out of hatred. He probably draws all kinds of links between that book and present day politicians.