Anandtech reviews the NV35! + Doom3 Benchmarks!!!

[Vadatajs]

Looks like nvidia got it right this time, good job guys. I wish I could afford a new graphics card.

EDIT: w/r/t DoomIII, didn't the alpha use ati & nvidia specific rendering paths? I thought Carmack said the final game would only have 1 dx9 class rendering path that both R300 and NV35 use. I wouldn't trust this benchmark yet, but it seems the NV35 is doing great elsewhere.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: Ferocious
Yeah apparantly the peformance is very close....except where the broken ATI drivers fail. And overall quality gives ATI the edge. I'll be keeping my 9700 PRO till the N40 and R400's come out. I think history might end up showing the 9700 to be the best overall card ever to come out!

I would disagree on that. To me the best card to ever come out: V5 5.5K

Still using it and plays most current games...even vietcong! :Q

 

[Megatomic]

Just wait for value versions to be released, Vadatajs, and o/c it like many of us did to the GF4 Ti 4200.

 

[Avatar26]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Uhhh, exactly what is the reason for using Flash to display the graphs?

Hmm, yeah, that's making things a bit difficult for me... My comp at work will not run flash...:disgust:

 

[Wolfsraider]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Here is HardOCP's Conclusion for those who can't access their site:

GTaudiophile,if i wanted to read kyle's bashing i would have gone there instead of here.now please just go and start your normal ati is best thread elsewhere.sheesh you are getting old quick

mike

nice to see nvidia take back the front seat.

mie

 

[mjolnir2k]

Originally posted by: Wolfsraider

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Here is HardOCP's Conclusion for those who can't access their site:

GTaudiophile,if i wanted to read kyle's bashing i would have gone there instead of here.now please just go and start your normal ati is best thread elsewhere.sheesh you are getting old quick

mike

nice to see nvidia take back the front seat.

mie

Yup, This ninny was bound to show up sooner or later...GTAphile must have been traumatized by some nVidia product during childhood or something.

Strange how people can get so attached to inanimate objects / brands (especially when they hold no stock in said product). Jeez, it's a video card, whoo hoo I can get an extra 50 FPS in a game that doesn't even exist yet (see also: Doom III).

Sure it's cool that the technology keeps escalating (I am sure that I will be replacing either my 8500LE or my GF4 ti4400 soon), but the inevitable flame wars that are about to spring up are unfortunate and boring.

Ease up folks...

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

Until now, ATi always came out as the winner in direct image quality comparisons that used single-frame screenshots. NVIDIA's apologetic explanation was that the GF FX's filtering was originally optimized for moving scenes, not for single frames. The new driver solves this "problem" and is supposed to offer good quality even in still frames. In Quality mode, the entire scene is filtered trilinear anisotropic, whereas Performance reverts to bilinear anisotropic. ATi's driver works in a similar manner.

Yet the Detonator FX driver's improvements go beyond image quality refinement. It also enhances performance of all GeForce FX cards even with image quality enhancements disabled.

Mad props to Nvidia yo (and such ebonics)

Anyway, that's good to see.

Since the Ultra's design isn't even finalized yet I wonder when we'll actually start seeing cards in stores...

I know they say that they're going to start ramping production in mid june...but that's just for the GPUs

I hope that they can actually get some boards out in July sometime...

 

[AmdInside]

If the 128MB version of the GeforceFX 5900 overclocks well, then I am going to be picking up that card. Don't really have a need for 256MB of RAM. I can live with spending $400 on a video card. $500 is just way to expensive for a gaming card. It is approching workstation pricing.

 

[Eug]

Tom's review is up, if you care.

I care because AnandTech and HardOCP are being hit too hard at the moment...

 

[Wurrmm]

I don't think I can wait until July. I truely hope to see these things go retail by June but that may be wishful thinking. I have owned very few ATIs (I had a rage pro once and another but I can't remember the name), and I did not care for them too much, but I can definately picture myself with a 9800 pro. If Nvidia wants my buisness and the buisness of many others in the market right now, then thisthing had better hit the shelves soon.

 

[Mem]

A lot of the NV35 preview links can be found here for
AnandTech
ExtremeTech
Hexus
Hot Hardware
Neoseeker
Sudhian Media
The Tech Report
Tom's Hardware
3DGPU .

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

truely hope to see these things go retail by June but that may be wishful thinking

Not likely. They're supposed to go into mass production (in quantity) in mid-june. That's just the GPU itself though. They haven't even finalized the design of the 5900 Ultra yet. (the one we've seen isn't finalized) and then they have to produce the boards themselves. You'll be lucky to see one on a shelf by mid-july.

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

damn repost.

 

[AmdInside]

It takes about 2-3 weeks for a graphics card to go from production to shipping. So I expect end of June.

 

[TonyB]

nvidia > Ati

all you haters out there start bowing down to the new king, long live the king!

 

[merlocka]

Originally posted by: TonyB
nvidia > Ati

all you haters out there start bowing down to the new king, long live the king!

Haters?

Dude, you = dingleberry.

 

[dexvx]

I think the real victim here is DDR-II and how crappy it really is. Nvidia has moved from DDR-II to a DDR-I memory platform as a solution to its bandwidth problems.

 

[Acanthus]

Neither side is the king im sure a clocked up 9900pro is in the works now, after all the 9800s overclock very well so they have a lot of yeild room.

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

Yes. Nvidia's 5900Pro .13u is beating ATI's 9800 Pro .15u by a narrow margin. ATI can certainly match the memory bandwidth. Not long until we see a smaller process and high clock speeds from the ATI camp...

 

[Mem]

Neither side is the king im sure a clocked up 9900pro is in the works now, after all the 9800s overclock very well so they have a lot of yeild room.

I`m sure Nvidia are working on the NV40 ,but you`re right it`s a never ending battle between the two companies,no video card remains top dog for long, it`s good news for us since both companies are offering us choices so we win eitherway ,I just wish we had more companies trying to get into the battle.

 

[AmdInside]

Originally posted by: TROGDORdBURNINATOR
Yes. Nvidia's 5900Pro .13u is beating ATI's 9800 Pro .15u by a narrow margin. ATI can certainly match the memory bandwidth. Not long until we see a smaller process and high clock speeds from the ATI camp...

Don't forget that the ATI is using a much faster RAM. The GeforceFX 5900 Ultra GPU can support DDR-I or DDR-II so if NVIDIA wanted to, they could release a GeforceFX 5900 Ultra with DDR-II when it drops in price and use much faster memory.

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

The GeforceFX 5900 Ultra GPU can support DDR-I or DDR-II so if NVIDIA wanted to, they could release a GeforceFX 5900 Ultra with DDR-II

So can the radeon 9800. ATI has had working "DDR-II" cards for some time. Both companies can produce DDR-II cards quite easily. Judging from that cooling monstrosity I'm not sure how much headroom Nvidia has left in that design. They could have a lot. I know that ATI does. They have yet to migrate to .13u for their high end GPU. If you think that Nvidia has taken the crown and there's no chance that they'll lose it in the future, you're mistaken.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Mem

Neither side is the king im sure a clocked up 9900pro is in the works now, after all the 9800s overclock very well so they have a lot of yeild room.

I`m sure Nvidia are working on the NV40 ,but you`re right it`s a never ending battle between the two companies,no video card remains top dog for long, it`s good news for us since both companies are offering us choices so we win eitherway ,I just wish we had more companies trying to get into the battle.

I thought it was great when the P10 and Parhelia were on the way, turns out the P10 project died, but the Parhelia-512 was a great offering at its time, with insanely good IQ and triple monitor support. If the company stayed with the Parhelia design and clocked it up, it would be a real nice competitive card. (not anymore but 6mos ago)

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: AmdInside

Originally posted by: TROGDORdBURNINATOR
Yes. Nvidia's 5900Pro .13u is beating ATI's 9800 Pro .15u by a narrow margin. ATI can certainly match the memory bandwidth. Not long until we see a smaller process and high clock speeds from the ATI camp...

Don't forget that the ATI is using a much faster RAM. The GeforceFX 5900 Ultra GPU can support DDR-I or DDR-II so if NVIDIA wanted to, they could release a GeforceFX 5900 Ultra with DDR-II when it drops in price and use much faster memory.

ATi and NVIDIA are both sampling GDDRIII as an alternative to DDRII as well. I'm hearing a lot about sub-par DDRII performance due to an increase in latency. (correct me if im wrong)

 

[TonyB]

Originally posted by: TROGDORdBURNINATOR
Yes. Nvidia's 5900Pro .13u is beating ATI's 9800 Pro .15u by a narrow margin. ATI can certainly match the memory bandwidth. Not long until we see a smaller process and high clock speeds from the ATI camp...

until ATI can do all that, bow down to your master.. and lick the boots clean cuz you know NVidia > ATi