Anandtech reviews the NV35! + Doom3 Benchmarks!!!

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

Whoa, what does ATI drivers have to do with a 5900? Its comments like these that make everyone dislike you, you go out of your way to put down Nvidia.

It has to do with it because we were discussing the point that "what had been shipped with the 9800?" To which I responded NOTHING as the drivers aren't released.
We also discussed that most of the benchmarking (multiple sites) was done with drivers which dont' even support the card. The rest was done with unfinished drivers. Then I added that the NV35 drivers weren't finished - just to be fair.
But, of course, you can twist that into anything you want.

 

[Mem]

Then I added that the NV35 drivers weren't finished - just to be fair.

Going by Anand`s review of the FX 5900 Ultra.

Both ATI and NVIDIA provided us with new drivers for this review; ATI gave us their new Catalyst 3.4 drivers while NVIDIA provided us with their new Detonator FX drivers (44.03).

The Catalyst 3.4 drivers provided us with a couple of problems, the most noticeable ones were the following:

1) Performance under Doom3 was horrible, significantly lower than the older Catalyst 3.2 drivers. These drivers would also cause the game to crash in a repeatable fashion.

2) There were serious lighting issues in Splinter Cell as well as degraded performance, an example of the lighting issues can be seen below:

NVIDIA's Detonator FX drivers will be publicly available on May 14th and will improve performance across the board for all FX cards, we will be following up with a performance article later this week entailing the exact performance improvements you can expect from the Detonator FX drivers. We encountered no issues with the drivers, and we're glad NVIDIA finally changed their anisotropic filtering quality settings to match up with ATI's (as well as fix the image quality issues we've been griping about all this time):

Link .

So that`s new Nvidia drivers latter today (now 14th May in UK).

 

[Krk3561]

You can already get the Det FX at nvmax.com

They've had them since yesturday

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: TROGDORdBURNINATOR

That was posted on Rage3D yesturday, I signed off before you responded last night so I couldnt post my source before this afternoon

If it was posted yesterday, it was wrong. It was not possible to buy a card from ATI.com until today. Also, the drivers still haven't been officially released. When will we be able to buy a 5900 anything anyway? July? They're ramping up the chips in mid-june but that's just the GPUs. How long until the board makers get us some?

Whoa, what does ATI drivers have to do with a 5900? Its comments like these that make everyone dislike you, you go out of your way to put down Nvidia.

You're the reason why I will not buy another ATI card again (I am using a 9500 Pro right now), cause they have jacka$$es for employees.

krk, grow up. i'm fairly certain that outside of Trogdor, you do not know of a single other ATi employees. In addition, I can certainly point out quite a few instances where representatives from NVidia have made @sses of themselves while ATi kept their cool.

As for tying the 5900 to ATi, isn't that basically the entire point of this thread? to compare the two top cards in the biz? In simple terms, Trogdor is trying to emphasize that the catalyst 3.4 drivers are NOT representative of a legitimate whql certified driver set because they are still in beta state and will be released in its final state sometime early June (as mentioned in rage3d) and consequently do not allow the radeon9800 to run at it's full potential.

As far as I can tell, Trogdor hasn't really put down Nvidia in any way, but has defended ATi on several key issues that needed clarification. Namely, nascent drivers, release dates, and other small dechnical discrepencies, but his signature automatically makes everyone assume that every word he says will have a bias undertone.

<~ owned cards by S3 (Virge), 3dfx (voodoo2-3000), nvidia (tnt2 ultra) and ATi (radeon8500).

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Krk3561
You can already get the Det FX at nvmax.com

They've had them since yesturday

do you not get the point of what he's trying to say? the catalyst drivers used in the reviews were unoptimized. He then added the little part about Nvidia to give them the benefit of the doubt, but of course you'd choose to focus solely on the second part and jump on it to avoid the first.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: ed21x
As for tying the 5900 to ATi, isn't that basically the entire point of this thread? to compare the two top cards in the biz?

Sure it is, but he was talking about ATI drivers, then throws in a shot at Nvidia. He wasnt comparing.

Originally posted by: ed21x
Trogdor hasn't really put down Nvidia in any way

Heh that is laughable, guess you havent read many of his posts.

Originally posted by: ed21x
do you not get the point of what he's trying to say?

Yeah I get his point, but I guess you dont.

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

Thanks ed21x. I'm not sure if it's an intentional strawman or not. I should hope that it is. I have enough faith in people to give them the benefit of the doubt too
Mem, just because he says that they'll be released on the 14th doesn't mean that they were finished at the time of benchmarking. I know that ATI drivers undergo tweaking during WHQL certs (of course) and right up to launch. But then, for all I know, maybe they were finished. I thought I'd throw out that they weren't to give 'em the benefit of the doubt so as not to suggest that the radeon was the only card with the disadvantage of unfinished drivers. It's fine by me if they (Dets) were finished

 

[Dennis Travis]

ed21x, Very well said!! I was trying to think of the words but you said them for me!

Thanks!

 

[TROGDORdBURNINATOR]

edit: Oops meant to post that in another thread

 

[Mem]

Mem, just because he says that they'll be released on the 14th doesn't mean that they were finished at the time of benchmarking. I know that ATI drivers undergo tweaking during WHQL certs (of course) and right up to launch

I`ll keep an eye out for them today anyway,too be honest I`ve never had any problems with Nvidia drivers WHQL or non-WHQL drivers so can wait as long as it takes .

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: NFS4
I read it earlier this morning when Anand had the rough draft. The 5900 Ultra really kicks butt. I don't think it's worth $500...maybe $400.

Sucks that ATi waited this long to release the Cat 3.4 drivers then they don't even work!!! :|

WTF? I get mauled everytime I mention ATi and driver issues. I like the way even the FX5800U craps on the 9800.

 

[Shamrock]

SInce NV's drivers are not set to go public until May 14th, do you think the Det drivers were optimized as well? since you...they werent finished either....

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: RGN
WTF? I get mauled everytime I mention ATi and driver issues. I like the way even the FX5800U craps on the 9800.

Yeah, in exactly ONE benchmark.
No, the 9800 outclasses the 5800 I'm afraid... in everything except Splinter Cell.
That said, I'm really glad nVidia got their act together with the NV35! Image quality issues addressed and top-notch speed. Doesn't leave the 9800 behind in the dust, but it does beat it. (Actually, in Quake3 it smokes everything by a wide margin... that should go well for other old games!)
I call the NV35 a big success. Does that make nVidia the Company better than ATI Co.? Not necessarily, but they've gained a bit more of MY respect for having put out a GOOD product!

I'd like to see a 5200-replacement or something else at the low-end using the 256-bit bus to give a 9700 non-pro some real challenge in the middle-to-low price range.