Anandtech member murders 2, commits suicide in Aliso Viejo

[Rastus]

 

[Don66]

:brokenheart:Very sad indeed

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Asperger's can be very difficult to live with. You see all these other people around you interacting just fine, having fun, and so you try it. But when you do, those people taunt you, and tell you that everything you're doing is wrong. You're not talking right, not moving properly - nothing about you is right. So you're ostracized, and cast out. No matter how you try, you just don't get the hang of normal social interaction. It's like there's an unspoken conversation going on right in front of you, and you don't know the rules or what's being said. And really, there is. There are many nuances between interacting people that give clues to what they're thinking. With Asperger's, those clues are totally nonexistant. The manner in which you're interacting too, your speech for example, may indicate a very rude or stiffly superior tone to most people, but as far as you're concerned, you're just trying to mimic those around you. Unbeknownst to you though, it just falls flat.
That's a quick description, really. You try your hardest to fit in with anyone, but they make fun of you for reasons you can't really even perceive. The only information you're left with is that you're not like everyone else, and for this mysterious reason, they don't like you, and there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. It kind of makes you pretty damn miserable, especially when you ask for help and don't see results.

Thankyou for providing this insight into Asperger's, Jeff7.

 

[Ricemarine]

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Asperger's can be very difficult to live with. You see all these other people around you interacting just fine, having fun, and so you try it. But when you do, those people taunt you, and tell you that everything you're doing is wrong. You're not talking right, not moving properly - nothing about you is right. So you're ostracized, and cast out. No matter how you try, you just don't get the hang of normal social interaction. It's like there's an unspoken conversation going on right in front of you, and you don't know the rules or what's being said. And really, there is. There are many nuances between interacting people that give clues to what they're thinking. With Asperger's, those clues are totally nonexistant. The manner in which you're interacting too, your speech for example, may indicate a very rude or stiffly superior tone to most people, but as far as you're concerned, you're just trying to mimic those around you. Unbeknownst to you though, it just falls flat.
That's a quick description, really. You try your hardest to fit in with anyone, but they make fun of you for reasons you can't really even perceive. The only information you're left with is that you're not like everyone else, and for this mysterious reason, they don't like you, and there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. It kind of makes you pretty damn miserable, especially when you ask for help and don't see results.

Holy crap! You just described someone I know. :shocked:

 

[Cross]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: her209
BTW, I started a thread about this exact subject a while back.

He killed people and committed suicide more than once?

As bad as I feel over this not to mention viewing the other threads and just the wow....

This is funny as hell (The quote above). Sorry. Also I thought of the line from Pump Up the Volume, on why you do not want to commit suicide. (Its a movie if ur not familure with it)

I wish ppl would take being such jack asses more seriously. Its in no way an excuse but it does so much harm to a person when it happens more then a few times.... constant teasing/putting down it really does have an effect.

Again its not an excuse what he did was wrong. But being an as is def abig factor. You can help or be an ass but being a good hearted person means more then just helping it means seeing how your actions can affect those who your talking to ALL THE TIME.

Teasing is fun and can be fun for everyone but it should only happen ocassionally and between someone you really know most of the time... its to easy to follow what others do. Do what you feel and know is right. You go way beyond teasing when you treat ppl badly to promote yourself or just to be mean. Even if its your first time think before you act, you never know how much you could hurt someone just because you thought it was funny.

I am again not justifying what he did I disagree with it. But frankly I also disagree with the way ppl are treated in some cases and i did not see to much from this thread (The links to threads of his) that made me think he had a great stay. I know I have been messed with beyond just normal conversation. I hated it. It leaves a lasting feelig sometimes when it really hurts you for one reason or another.

Sometimes its playing sometimes it goes to far...

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Asperger's can be very difficult to live with. You see all these other people around you interacting just fine, having fun, and so you try it. But when you do, those people taunt you, and tell you that everything you're doing is wrong. You're not talking right, not moving properly - nothing about you is right. So you're ostracized, and cast out. No matter how you try, you just don't get the hang of normal social interaction. It's like there's an unspoken conversation going on right in front of you, and you don't know the rules or what's being said. And really, there is. There are many nuances between interacting people that give clues to what they're thinking. With Asperger's, those clues are totally nonexistant. The manner in which you're interacting too, your speech for example, may indicate a very rude or stiffly superior tone to most people, but as far as you're concerned, you're just trying to mimic those around you. Unbeknownst to you though, it just falls flat.
That's a quick description, really. You try your hardest to fit in with anyone, but they make fun of you for reasons you can't really even perceive. The only information you're left with is that you're not like everyone else, and for this mysterious reason, they don't like you, and there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. It kind of makes you pretty damn miserable, especially when you ask for help and don't see results.

Thankyou for providing this insight into Asperger's, Jeff7.

wow. reading that after reading his threads is pretty weird and you can almost see these symptoms in his posts. thanks for that Jeff7.

this is messed up ******

 

[GTaudiophile]

"Will" is a conjugation of the German word "wollen" which means "to want". Freund is the German word for "friend".

So, "WillFreund" = "Want to be a friend" sort of.

Sad

 

[thahenchman]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: Red
Wow

Colt45 called him names =(

That's exactly what I was talking about. This board is not supportive in any way, it is just a way to test how much sh!t you can put up with. Someone should call and correct that second article. Not sure if the mods actually helped, but not finding it too likely...

Hate to say this but it's Survival of the fittest. Those who commit suicide are the weakest link....except for those Ahole attention whores that threaten to all the time. Your mother and father granted them the greatest gift of all, life. All he did was throw that away and take out two innocent people as well. Freund is nothing more than a common murderer.

Granted, there may be "Ahole attention whores" who play the boy who cried wolf role very well, but I'm not the type of person who, because of that, dismisses everyone who calls out for help.

People who have the courage to ask for help when they are in a painful place should be taken very seriously, as the people they ask for help from -whether it be an Internet forum, school friends, etc.- are often their last resort.

I've worked with suicidal clients and clients with bipolar disorder, depression, borderline personality disorder, etc. My cohorts have had, unfortunately, three client suicides - all three of which had been depressed and threatening for some time.

For anyone who is considering killing themselves or know anyone who might be, please utilize this resource: 1-800-SUICIDE

William was obviously a very troubled young man, and what happened was a tragedy. May his victims' family and those who knew him find peace.

 

[Fenixgoon]

wow, so sad

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
"Will" is a conjugation of the German word "wollen" which means "to want". Freund is the German word for "friend".

So, "WillFreund" = "Want to be a friend" sort of.

Sad

kinda weird he spelled his name "willaim" in his profile.

very sad indeed this whole thing. i can't imagine how dark, empty, hurt, angry whatever the mind must be to even contemplate such things.

 

[Vic]

There is no excuse for cold-blooded murder. Nor, in any civilized society, can there ever be any excuse if it wishes to continue calling itself civilized. There are only 2 victims from this incident, and neither was the person who refused to exhaust his last resource in getting the proper help he needed (which was certainly available).

 

[Boztech]

Originally posted by: southpawuni

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
i actually feel really bad for him. even though ive never seen him post, just thinking of that person commiting suicide...*pout*

WTF is going on here!?

HE MURDERED TWO PEOPLE. Jesus Christ!

I think how alot of us feel is that what he did was wrong..
but this was a tortured soul with a medical condition, and a SICK society that didnt help a damn thing.

Its all a tragedy, but whats done is done. People are dead, but I'm not worried about them now.. they are innocent.
This young man has to face a higher power for his actions. I'm praying for forgiveness for his soul as our society did not listen and help him when he was here.

Just like the Columbine kids, no one listened. Everyone wants to preach about who is wrong, who is bad.. but no one wants to listen.

If we listened more, maybe things like this wouldnt happen.

Sounds like those mods at that other forum almost saved him. They listened.
This is just more evidence this forum needs a change of culture. We'll probably see the hammer come down harder than ever now.

I hope it does, because I feel implicated that I never stood up for this kid in the forum, and never took action to be his friend.
Society, and ALL of us failed here.

How did you become this deluded?

 

[Spikesoldier]

sad ending

id spit on his grave though. no excuse to take two others' lives, and quite possibly more. thank god the shotgun jammed when it did.

just because he was an AT'er (not a well known one at that) doesnt mean that this kid was a nutjob and just went on a shooting spree.

no use in mourning someone like this.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
"Will" is a conjugation of the German word "wollen" which means "to want". Freund is the German word for "friend".

So, "WillFreund" = "Want to be a friend" sort of.

Sad

The name William comes from the German Wilhelm, which translates as willful or strong protector.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's too bad that the father and daughter died, but I'm really happy that the idiot commited suicide. So often they get off easy by claiming insanity.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
"Will" is a conjugation of the German word "wollen" which means "to want". Freund is the German word for "friend".

So, "WillFreund" = "Want to be a friend" sort of.

Sad

The name William comes from the German Wilhelm, which translates as willful or strong protector.

WILLIAM
Gender: Masculine
Usage: English
Pronounced: WIL-ee-am, WIL-yam [key]
Meaning:From the Germanic name Wilhelm, which was composed of the elements wil "will, desire" and helm "helmet, protection". The name was introduced to Britain by the Normans. It has belonged to several rulers of England, Prussia, and Germany, including William the Conqueror, the first Norman king of England. Another famous bearer was William Tell, a legendary 14th-century hero from Switzerland. In the literary world it has been borne by dramatist William Shakespeare and poet William Blake, as well as contemporary authors William Faulkner and William S. Burroughs.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

This is just wrong in so many ways,...

i really do have to say some of the peoples responses ive read give off a very ignorant,incompitant and a real lack of any kind of empathy to put your self in the understanding of another person or to comprehend that not everyone is built the same,...i realized a very very(very very) long time ago with the way i respond to people and treat them,whether i know them personally or not. maybe it was a higher form of maturity or maybe just a simple mass enlightenement,it doesnt matter,(and im not religious just so you know)...what does matter is,..would any of you have helped him in any way if you had a clue?,...i would like to think i would have but how can i be sure?,..just because you dont understand his resonings why,...dont act like you have a clue cuz chances are you dont,....the difference between smart and stupid is simple,....stupid people think they know and have all the answers when they probably dont,....smart people know how much they dont know,..which is what makes them smart
,..and if your religious,..instead of worrying so d@mn much about what happens after you die,...why not spend some time worrying about what happens while we are all alive

this guy was probably not a jeffrey dahmer,...he probably wasnt a sick f#ck like that,my guess is he just wanted help,.. just wanted someone to hang with even if it was on a forum typeing BS it may not mean much to some of us who regularly go out and sit in a room of 10-12 friends all the time and are with people everyday ,and I actually get annoyed from the phone ringing off the hook when i just want to hang by myself!,...but i see something like this and i feel ashamed because not everyone is built like that, and has that in thier life,...by the sounds of it,..he probably prayed for things to be that way for him,..so i think the smart ones will learn something from this

sometin happened awhile back and ill share it with you guys and gals,...

a long time ago in a city a little bit away,...we were all in my frieds basement hangin drinking and this and that and there was this guy that came over with this gal we knew,......well he was on a drug that lets just say warps your sence of reality for many hours,.....he started getting seriously out of wack and being loud talking about cops and just being a serious problem,...well a few friends of mine started harrasing him and instead of the gal we knew taking him out right away she was in the otehr room and a few people started yellin at him and telling him how worthless of a piece of sh!t he was etc etc ,..it was pretty extreme actually thinking back,,...well the gal friend comes out and sees it and takes him out,....the next day 4 of us were sitting on his proch and low and behold the "piece of sh!t" guy walks by,....a friend of mine sees him and yells at him " you stupid loser why dont you go home and kill yourself,..make us all happy,....HAHAHA" and continued laughing,....2 days later we read in the newspaper that he had sat himself in his car in his garage and started his car and killed himself,....my friend that had said that to him read the newspaper clipping that day ,..and honestly he has not been the same since

 

[Inappropriate4AT]

Wow...this is insane. At first I thought this had to be some kind of joke, cause I recognized the screen name "willfreund" since me and him had sort of a pissing contest going on.

Started right when he joined the forums, and he had a 9800XT at a much much lower price than the going rate, so naturally I asked him if he was willing to ship first, provided my heat etc. He responded by telling me my heatware was fake blah blah and he just wanted to sell his video card not make a game out of it, then pulled it off the forums.

Every once in a while he'd pop into my posts with "bump for an asshole" or something stupid like that.

In fact, here's the thread

I thought he was a dick, but I never would've imagined he was mentally unstable and homicidal/suicidal.

 

[Ready]

Notice the 2 replies he got on the thread

Colt45 " You're a ******' idiot. "

paulney " STFU noob."

 

[InverseOfNeo]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Asperger's can be very difficult to live with. You see all these other people around you interacting just fine, having fun, and so you try it. But when you do, those people taunt you, and tell you that everything you're doing is wrong. You're not talking right, not moving properly - nothing about you is right. So you're ostracized, and cast out. No matter how you try, you just don't get the hang of normal social interaction. It's like there's an unspoken conversation going on right in front of you, and you don't know the rules or what's being said. And really, there is. There are many nuances between interacting people that give clues to what they're thinking. With Asperger's, those clues are totally nonexistant. The manner in which you're interacting too, your speech for example, may indicate a very rude or stiffly superior tone to most people, but as far as you're concerned, you're just trying to mimic those around you. Unbeknownst to you though, it just falls flat.
That's a quick description, really. You try your hardest to fit in with anyone, but they make fun of you for reasons you can't really even perceive. The only information you're left with is that you're not like everyone else, and for this mysterious reason, they don't like you, and there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. It kind of makes you pretty damn miserable, especially when you ask for help and don't see results.

Thankyou for providing this insight into Asperger's, Jeff7.

Yes, thank you very very much for that information Jeff7.

On a different note...I had no idea he was an ATOT member. It happened roughly 1000-1500 feet away from me.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Captain Howdy

Originally posted by: Red
Wow

Colt45 called him names =(

That's exactly what I was talking about. This board is not supportive in any way, it is just a way to test how much sh!t you can put up with. Someone should call and correct that second article. Not sure if the mods actually helped, but not finding it too likely...

Hate to say this but it's Survival of the fittest. Those who commit suicide are the weakest link....except for those Ahole attention whores that threaten to all the time. Your mother and father granted them the greatest gift of all, life. All he did was throw that away and take out two innocent people as well. Freund is nothing more than a common murderer.

I'd like to see you in real life.

Somehow I don't believe most of the nerds here could ever survive a real "survival of the fittest".

Just to add something that is totally not relevent.
I guess one can make the argument that it was Colt45 and paulney who pushed him over the edge thus resulting in the deaths of 2 innocent people!

 

[judasmachine]

god i wish this was a hoax.

 

[Vic]

Is it really relevant that he was a member? It's not like AT, with its 127,798 members, is some kind of exclusive club...

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic
Is it really relevant that he was a member? It's not like AT, with its 127,798 members, is some kind of exclusive club...

Aw come on Vic.