They just need to buy Nvidia cores and create 7800GTX 512MB AIWs, that would keep them in business.
solofly
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Frackal
Where's M0rph today
Don't start. Keep it cool.
He's busy editing out all his posts where he called Rollo out, and where he said the GTX 512 wouldn't be clock as high as it is.
OK, I'm done.
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Originally posted by: Rage187
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Frackal
Where's M0rph today
Don't start. Keep it cool.
He's busy editing out all his posts where he called Rollo out, and where he said the GTX 512 wouldn't be clock as high as it is.
OK, I'm done.
He's actually not on at the moment. Give him a chance and lets see what he has to say when he does come on.
CounterpointOriginally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Rollo is vindicated. ATI took the crown from NVidia, and now NVidia has taken it back. Competition is great. Now let the prices drop.
you could argue ATi never took it from nvidia as the X1800XT wasn't available.
I could just as easily question this thing's availability. And look - nobody is whining about it's heavy power draw or dual slot cooling! Must not be important anymore starting today... :roll:
Not as heavy as Ati's power draw...
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphi...14/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512-05.html
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/geforce-7800gtx-512/index.x?pg=12
mirrored by our own AT: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=2
Its deceptive, in the text they state the OC is 10939, the screenshot is stock
On XS guys are getting 11k on stock air w/ a 2.97ghz cpu
Well looks like ATI got it right in the poop shoot today. The 512MB 7800GTX trounces everything, and by a pretty healthy margin. All hail the king!
As predicted, the extra 256MB does virtually nothing for high res; it's all about the boost in bandwidth (1700 MHz vs 1200 MHz), and the core clockspeed increase.
While this is most definitely an emphatic victory for Nvidia, at $700, the 512MB 7800GTX hardly "flushes ATI's margins down the toilet" as someone in this thread said. Who here besides Rollo is going to buy one or two of these cards? As if this card even competes with the X1800XL (which IMO is a crappy deal anyways @ $400 since the 7800GT can be had for around $300), or even the X1800XT ($550-600). With that said, I don't see much of a point in getting the X1800XT these days if you can find a 512MB 7800GTX.
So, Nvidia has set two standards with this card: one in performance, and another in price. A drool-worthy video card for those who buy it; I'm sticking with my 7800GT, for which I paid less than half of the sticker price of a 512MB GTX .
Hopefully (but probably doubtfully), next generation returns to more sane price levels. When $400 was the top for a video card, it was at least manageable; $500-700 per card plus SLI is making consoles look more and more attractive, since they at least last 3-5 years!
As predicted, the extra 256MB does virtually nothing for high res; it's all about the boost in bandwidth (1700 MHz vs 1200 MHz), and the core clockspeed increase.
While this is most definitely an emphatic victory for Nvidia, at $700, the 512MB 7800GTX hardly "flushes ATI's margins down the toilet" as someone in this thread said. Who here besides Rollo is going to buy one or two of these cards? As if this card even competes with the X1800XL (which IMO is a crappy deal anyways @ $400 since the 7800GT can be had for around $300), or even the X1800XT ($550-600). With that said, I don't see much of a point in getting the X1800XT these days if you can find a 512MB 7800GTX.
So, Nvidia has set two standards with this card: one in performance, and another in price. A drool-worthy video card for those who buy it; I'm sticking with my 7800GT, for which I paid less than half of the sticker price of a 512MB GTX
.Hopefully (but probably doubtfully), next generation returns to more sane price levels. When $400 was the top for a video card, it was at least manageable; $500-700 per card plus SLI is making consoles look more and more attractive, since they at least last 3-5 years!
while something to consider and certainly worth looking into, i don't put any cedence into anything DH says, and haven't for some time...
still, i think that's kind of a desperate "reach", as unless either card remains in the "low/min" fps area for a reasonable amount of time, it really makes no difference in playability.
while the "performance crown" is easily won by nvidia's 512mb offering, just as i stated when x1800xt was vying for that spot, paying a premium for 512mb (or $700 for a video card, period) makes it a non-factor except for bragging rights. 98% of gamers simply cannot justify such an expense (and some of us who could, but won't just out of principle of not "throwing away" money).
frankly, i'd still buy a 7800gtx or even a 256mb x1800xt (if they actually ship) before one of these - even if it does spank the competition.
ATI just got spanked.
No need for the 512 GTX to be price competitive to the X1800XT since the 512 GTX just pushed the X1800XT into the lower-high end.
No need for the 512 GTX to be price competitive to the X1800XT since the 512 GTX just pushed the X1800XT into the lower-high end.
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Originally posted by: crazydingo
CounterpointOriginally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Rollo is vindicated. ATI took the crown from NVidia, and now NVidia has taken it back. Competition is great. Now let the prices drop.
you could argue ATi never took it from nvidia as the X1800XT wasn't available.
I could just as easily question this thing's availability. And look - nobody is whining about it's heavy power draw or dual slot cooling! Must not be important anymore starting today... :roll:
Not as heavy as Ati's power draw...
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphi...14/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512-05.html
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/geforce-7800gtx-512/index.x?pg=12
mirrored by our own AT: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2607&p=2
Techreport:
X800XT load = 246
GTX 512 load = 274
GTX 512 consumes 28W more
AT:
X1800XT load = 262
GTX 512 load = 284
GTX consumes 22W more
This to me is not a mirror but indicates discrepancies. No telling which site is correct or incorrect.
I kind of like Toms graphs only because it shows power usage for each card under many games. Interesting way to do that.
TraumaRN
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Agreed
Now I'm just waiting patiently for my BFG version to arrive
Pabster this is me beaming you hateful jealous thoughts
*mutters something about college being too expensive*
*mutters something else about getting a pay raise in january*
Ronin
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Rollo and I have 4 words to say. Take them for what they're worth.
"We told you so"
We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.
4 more words for you, actually.
"nVidia isn't done yet"
Don't think for one second this is all they've got.
"We told you so"
We already know ATi is going to counter, as they've authorized a core/mem bump on their cards, but for the numbers we're talking about, they're going to need more than a 25MHz bump here and a 25MHz bump there. It's not going to cut it.
4 more words for you, actually.
"nVidia isn't done yet"
Don't think for one second this is all they've got.
Seems to me that if I spend $700 on a video card I'm not going to care about an extra 25W of electricity :laugh: :laugh:
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Pabster this is me beaming you hateful jealous thoughts
*mutters something about college being too expensive*
*mutters something else about getting a pay raise in january*
Well the way I look at it the card is only costing me about $395, after the sale of my 7800GT and a couple other miscellaneous parts
Then again... I don't have college to pay for any more
Well, whatever they've got, I hope it's not a $800 XT PE or a $900 "Ultra", because the bang/buck rate on these things is falling fast.
TraumaRN
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Pabster this is me beaming you hateful jealous thoughts
*mutters something about college being too expensive*
*mutters something else about getting a pay raise in january*
Well the way I look at it the card is only costing me about $395, after the sale of my 7800GT and a couple other miscellaneous parts
Then again... I don't have college to pay for any more
Hmmm thats a good thought! even with school if I can sell my 7800GT for like 300 and I wait for my 3(!!) dollar an hour pay raise in january by that time the price will have dropped and I can easily afford one then....but anyways for the time being I'll be jealous of you
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BTW!!! Where did the power consumption charts from Anandtech's original X1800XT review go?
Didn't they do power consumption tests? It seems like they disappeared unless I'm mistaken.
If anyone can post links to original X1800XT reviews showing power consumption, please do.
Didn't they do power consumption tests? It seems like they disappeared unless I'm mistaken.
If anyone can post links to original X1800XT reviews showing power consumption, please do.
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