An Epidemic Failure - Whatever happened to Bush's pledge to combat AIDS in Africa?

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

You're and Bush are hypocrites. Read my explanation. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

 

[Forsythe]

Individual/private donations may be targeted in many ways. However, even though the charts above do show US aid to be poor (in percentage terms) compared to the rest, the generosity of the American people is far more impressive than their government. Private aid/donation has been through charity of individual people and organizations though this of course can be weighted to certain interests and areas. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note for example, per latest estimates, Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas ? more than twice the US official foreign aid of $15 billion at that time:

International giving by US foundations: $1.5 billion per year
Charitable giving by US businesses: $2.8 billion annually
American NGOs: $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
Religious overseas ministries: $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
US colleges scholarships to foreign students: $1.3 billion
Personal remittances from the US to developing countries: $18 billion in 2000
Source: Dr. Carol Adelman, Aid and Comfort, Tech Central Station, 21 August 2002.

Bingo. You give more than double, 34$ privately. Now, i understand why you have such a low official support. I wonder how much europeans give.

Now quit distorting the truth Genx87 and Zendari. You're not actually putting good light on the right.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Individual/private donations may be targeted in many ways. However, even though the charts above do show US aid to be poor (in percentage terms) compared to the rest, the generosity of the American people is far more impressive than their government. Private aid/donation has been through charity of individual people and organizations though this of course can be weighted to certain interests and areas. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note for example, per latest estimates, Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas ? more than twice the US official foreign aid of $15 billion at that time:

International giving by US foundations: $1.5 billion per year
Charitable giving by US businesses: $2.8 billion annually
American NGOs: $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
Religious overseas ministries: $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
US colleges scholarships to foreign students: $1.3 billion
Personal remittances from the US to developing countries: $18 billion in 2000
Source: Dr. Carol Adelman, Aid and Comfort, Tech Central Station, 21 August 2002.

Bingo. You give more than double, 34$ privately. Now, i understand why you have such a low official support. I wonder how much europeans give.

Thank you for trying to understand part of my point.

:beer:

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Individual/private donations may be targeted in many ways. However, even though the charts above do show US aid to be poor (in percentage terms) compared to the rest, the generosity of the American people is far more impressive than their government. Private aid/donation has been through charity of individual people and organizations though this of course can be weighted to certain interests and areas. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note for example, per latest estimates, Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas ? more than twice the US official foreign aid of $15 billion at that time:

International giving by US foundations: $1.5 billion per year
Charitable giving by US businesses: $2.8 billion annually
American NGOs: $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
Religious overseas ministries: $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
US colleges scholarships to foreign students: $1.3 billion
Personal remittances from the US to developing countries: $18 billion in 2000
Source: Dr. Carol Adelman, Aid and Comfort, Tech Central Station, 21 August 2002.

Bingo. You give more than double, 34$ privately. Now, i understand why you have such a low official support. I wonder how much europeans give.

Thank you for trying to understand part of my point.

:beer:

Well, no problem. I just didn't have the imagination to imagine you gave that much private aid. But i can be persuaded by evidence.
Still looking for how much europeans give. Must be much much less.

 

[theMan]

of course he's not supporting it. the more black people that die, the better! the truth is, bush probably doesnt even know what a black person is, so why should he give a s***t?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: theman
of course he's not supporting it. the more black people that die, the better!

LOL, that one i didn't see coming...

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

We'll get to Africa once Iraq is finished.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

We'll get to Africa once Iraq is finished.

I'll bet you $1000 you won't. That's official.

[edit]
I'm off, back discussing in 1 hour.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Individual/private donations may be targeted in many ways. However, even though the charts above do show US aid to be poor (in percentage terms) compared to the rest, the generosity of the American people is far more impressive than their government. Private aid/donation has been through charity of individual people and organizations though this of course can be weighted to certain interests and areas. Nonetheless, it is interesting to note for example, per latest estimates, Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas ? more than twice the US official foreign aid of $15 billion at that time:

International giving by US foundations: $1.5 billion per year
Charitable giving by US businesses: $2.8 billion annually
American NGOs: $6.6 billion in grants, goods and volunteers.
Religious overseas ministries: $3.4 billion, including health care, literacy training, relief and development.
US colleges scholarships to foreign students: $1.3 billion
Personal remittances from the US to developing countries: $18 billion in 2000
Source: Dr. Carol Adelman, Aid and Comfort, Tech Central Station, 21 August 2002.

Bingo. You give more than double, 34$ privately. Now, i understand why you have such a low official support. I wonder how much europeans give.

Thank you for trying to understand part of my point.

:beer:

Well, no problem. I just didn't have the imagination to imagine you gave that much private aid. But i can be persuaded by evidence.
Still looking for how much europeans give. Must be much much less.

It will be interesting to see, but I have a feeling it will be less.

If it is less my guess is because of the tax structure of the two countries being very different. Denmark from my understanding is very highly taxed and thus the govt controls a large portion of the money.

The United States govt the overall tax rate is much less.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

We'll get to Africa once Iraq is finished.

Bwahahahaha

Man, when they brainwashed you they put the bottle brush in one ear and pulled it out the other.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

In cold blood?

Do you think having Saddam in power Iraq would be in better shape?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

In cold blood?

Do you think having Saddam in power Iraq would be in better shape?

So YOUR killing in cold blood was BETTER than Saddam's killing in cold blood?

And to answer your question: YES, the Iraqi people would be MUCH better off if the U.S. hadn't have invaded. Right now, they have little or no power, unemployment to choke a horse, terrorists FLOODING into the country, innocent people being murdered, tortured, terrorized by BOTH sides. They have NO government (a token puppet government doesn't count), they have NO police to speak of, they have little to no HOPE.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

In cold blood?

Do you think having Saddam in power Iraq would be in better shape?

So YOUR killing in cold blood was BETTER than Saddam's killing in cold blood?

And to answer your question: YES, the Iraqi people would be MUCH better off if the U.S. hadn't have invaded. Right now, they have little or no power, unemployment to choke a horse, terrorists FLOODING into the country, innocent people being murdered, tortured, terrorized by BOTH sides. They have NO government (a token puppet government doesn't count), they have NO police to speak of, they have little to no HOPE.

If they are better off then stop whining. If you cant come up with a better scenario on how they would be better off under Saddam, you are complaining to complain.

btw unemployment by the UN was estimated at 11.2% in the 1st qtr. Germany has a higher unemployment rate.

And I am glad you buy the media's interpretation of the situation over there hook,line, and sinker.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

In cold blood?

Do you think having Saddam in power Iraq would be in better shape?

So YOUR killing in cold blood was BETTER than Saddam's killing in cold blood?

And to answer your question: YES, the Iraqi people would be MUCH better off if the U.S. hadn't have invaded. Right now, they have little or no power, unemployment to choke a horse, terrorists FLOODING into the country, innocent people being murdered, tortured, terrorized by BOTH sides. They have NO government (a token puppet government doesn't count), they have NO police to speak of, they have little to no HOPE.

If they are better off then stop whining. If you cant come up with a better scenario on how they would be better off under Saddam, you are complaining to complain.

btw unemployment by the UN was estimated at 11.2% in the 1st qtr. Germany has a higher unemployment rate.

And I am glad you buy the media's interpretation of the situation over there hook,line, and sinker.

11.2%?? I find that very, VERY, VEERRY hard to believe... more like 35% or worse.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: zendari
Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:

Are you that stupid? He was not pro the Iraq invasion, he's not saying anything about invading africa, he's wondering why bush didn't invade an african country where there are loads of more murders than there ever was in iraq.

May as well stop trying to reason with them, Forsythe. This peculiar loss of congitive skills when they are faced with facts is a symptom of the Bushies' mental disorder.

They can't recognize the truth. And they can't recognize lies. They just keep repeating the same invalid points.

Cant answer the question can you?

What queston is that?

Do you support an invasion of Africa?

Nope. I want George W. Busn to stop using false claims of humanitarianism to justify his illegal, unprovoked, failed invasion of Iraq. And I want you Bushies to admit it's all a lie. Or I want Georgie to apply his foreign policy of removing dictators and freeing oppressed people evenly. Or he's a liar and so are the rest of you.

Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

Why not? You all got to murder innocent civilians in cold blood AND claim to be their liberators.

In cold blood?

Do you think having Saddam in power Iraq would be in better shape?

So YOUR killing in cold blood was BETTER than Saddam's killing in cold blood?

And to answer your question: YES, the Iraqi people would be MUCH better off if the U.S. hadn't have invaded. Right now, they have little or no power, unemployment to choke a horse, terrorists FLOODING into the country, innocent people being murdered, tortured, terrorized by BOTH sides. They have NO government (a token puppet government doesn't count), they have NO police to speak of, they have little to no HOPE.

If they are better off then stop whining. If you cant come up with a better scenario on how they would be better off under Saddam, you are complaining to complain.

btw unemployment by the UN was estimated at 11.2% in the 1st qtr. Germany has a higher unemployment rate.

And I am glad you buy the media's interpretation of the situation over there hook,line, and sinker.

11.2%?? I find that very, VERY, VEERRY hard to believe... more like 35% or worse.

http://www.iq.undp.org/ILCS/PDF/Tabulation%20Report%20-%20Englilsh.pdf

Looks like the avg unemployment for this report is about 10.5%

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87




Then quit complaining he isnt removing dictators in Africa.
Either you want him to do something or you dont. You cant have it both ways.

But it's you and Bush who are trying to have it both ways.

 

[msparish]

Originally posted by: zendari
So mparish,

If fighting AIDS in Africa is such a worthy cause why aren't other countries jumping on board? Why aren't liberals who believe in such a cause donating further to private charities?

That's actually the major thrust of my research, so I can't really offer much until publication.