An Epidemic Failure - Whatever happened to Bush's pledge to combat AIDS in Africa?

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BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Close to home? Riiight. Just because it's geographically closer doesn't mean you shouldn't help.

In sub-Saharan Africa 2.3 million people (including children) died in 2004. 25.4 million peolpe are infected with the disease.

http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

I see your point. You lose this argument so you want to move on.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?


 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.

 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

Are you mathematically challenged? You can't compare your personal contribution to average contributions.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

Are you mathematically challenged? You can't compare your personal contribution to average contributions.

Why not? We are comparing avg vs raw dollar amounts.

I am sorry if that slipped right over your head.



 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.


So that is a yes.

Interesting.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.


18.9 billion actually and only the EU covers the other 30 billion?

Get google out and search. I have a feeling private donations in the United States are higher than what the govt gives.


 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.


So that is a yes.

Interesting.

Heh, fool.
As you know he's asking why Bush didn't choose to invade countries where there are many more murders and worse dictators, than in iraq. The clear reasoning for that is oil.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.


18.9 billion actually and only the EU covers the other 30 billion?

Get google out and search. I have a feeling private donations in the United States are higher than what the govt gives.

Why don't you do so? You have the weak point. I'm looking,but see if you can beat me to it.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.


So that is a yes.

Interesting.

Heh, fool.
As you know he's asking why Bush didn't choose to invade countries where there are many more murders and worse dictators, than in iraq. The clear reasoning for that is oil.


Oh there wasnt any murders or genocide commited in Iraq?

I know what he is saying but I am asking him if wants us to invade Africa now.

That sounds like a resounding yes to me.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

We can't do all the dictators at the same time.

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.
Didn't realize the EU was 1 country. You are from Denmark? Why don't you shell out $6.9 billion then you can talk.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.


So that is a yes.

Interesting.

Only a Bushie wouldn't get it. Bush and you Bushie supporters are trying to pass yourselves off as humanitarians bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq when the truth is Bush invaded Iraq based on a pack of goddam lies about WMD that didn't exist. At the same time Bush promises aid to Africa that he doesn't deliver while dictators abuse and kill hundreds of thousands of Africans.

If you people are such humanitarians in Iraq, why aren't you as humanitarian in Africa?

Do you have a separate set of rules for Africa? Don't Africans want to be free too?

It's your hypocrisy in using humanitarian excuses for naked aggression in Iraq while you promise and don't deliver on genuine humanitarian issues in Africa.

Get it now?

I doubt it.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.


18.9 billion actually and only the EU covers the other 30 billion?

Get google out and search. I have a feeling private donations in the United States are higher than what the govt gives.

Why don't you do so? You have the weak point. I'm looking,but see if you can beat me to it.


Because you cant grasp the idea that raw dollars buys more food than avg per capita dollars.

Per capita is a weak argument for people who cant win in the raw dollar category.

My example of 1000 dollars was to illustrate that I gave 4 times more on an avg per capita basis than a person in denmark. Yet there is no way my higher per capita spending helped anywhere near as much as the entire country of denmarks raw dollar output.


 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

You want us to invade Africa?

I want Bush to apply his foreign policy of overthrowing dictators and spreading freedom and democracy equally.

I'll betcha' he can't.


So that is a yes.

Interesting.

Only a Bushie wouldn't get it. Bush and you Bushie supporters are trying to pass yourselves off as humanitarians bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq when the truth is Bush invaded Iraq based on a pack of goddam lies about WMD that didn't exist. At the same time Bush promises aid to Africa that he doesn't deliver while dictators abuse and kill hundreds of thousands of Africans.

If you people are such humanitarians in Iraq, why aren't you as humanitarian in Africa?

Do you have a separate set of rules for Africa? Don't Africans want to be free too?

It's your hypocrisy in using humanitarian excuses for naked aggression in Iraq while you promise and don't deliver on genuine humanitarian issues in Africa.

Get it now?

I doubt it.


Is that is a yes or a no?

Just answer the question. We already know your standard form of Bush is a liar hypocrit who is the devil. So please spare us the boring rant and answer the question.

Do you want us to invade Africa or not?
 

zendari

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Don't you see Genx87?

Bbond and his buddies will be for the African Invasion until Bush actually does it; then they'll be against it. :laugh:
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.


18.9 billion actually and only the EU covers the other 30 billion?

Get google out and search. I have a feeling private donations in the United States are higher than what the govt gives.

Why don't you do so? You have the weak point. I'm looking,but see if you can beat me to it.


Because you cant grasp the idea that raw dollars buys more food than avg per capita dollars.

Per capita is a weak argument for people who cant win in the raw dollar category.

My example of 1000 dollars was to illustrate that I gave 4 times more on an avg per capita basis than a person in denmark. Yet there is no way my higher per capita spending helped anywhere near as much as the entire country of denmarks raw dollar output.

You can't have a pr. capita spending. Pr. Capita is the average amount of dollars given in a certain country or region... I refuse to believe you are that stupid, you must be playing some psychological trick on me.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Cancer and diabetes probably kills more each year around the world.

btw I am also willing to bet tribal warfare, genocide, and starvation has killed more in Africa than AIDS.

Maybe this is a great opportunity for the EU to show the world its ability to deal with issues close to home.

Golly, if all of that genocide and warfare cause more deaths in Africa than AIDS, why doesn't Bush apply the same standard there that he applied to Iraq? Why isn't Bush overthrowing all of those dictators and bringing freedom and democracy to Africa?

Not enough OIL in Africa?

We can't do all the dictators at the same time.

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.
Didn't realize the EU was 1 country. You are from Denmark? Why don't you shell out $6.9 billion then you can talk.

Where have i said europe was one country?
Why should we shell out $6.9 billion? We're only 5.6 milliopn people. You're 293million people.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
The United States is presently providing more help to africa for aids and famine than any other country on the planet. Failure, I think not.

Not as a percentage of GNI (Gross Nat'l Income) we don't. Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Portugal, France and the UK all spend more than us on aid relief for Africa.

Every country that does give aid, bar italy, actually gives more than you as a percentage of GNI.

loser argument

move on

Why is that a looser argument? Does that mean that europe should pay 23$ pr. person like america does and watch the aid dwindle to what, about half?

from what I can tell if you dropped it lower the world would hardly notice.

Raw dollars buys the food. I gave 1000 dollars last year to charitable organizations. That puts me ~4 times more than the avg person in Denmark.

Do you think my 1000 will do more or less good than the entire country of denmark?

$48.62 billion
That's the amount of cash that goes to aid frmo governments each year.
America is responsible for 18 billion. That means EU is responsible for the rest of that, around 30 billion.
Do private american people donate 12billions every year? That's not including donations from private europeans.


18.9 billion actually and only the EU covers the other 30 billion?

Get google out and search. I have a feeling private donations in the United States are higher than what the govt gives.

Why don't you do so? You have the weak point. I'm looking,but see if you can beat me to it.


Because you cant grasp the idea that raw dollars buys more food than avg per capita dollars.

Per capita is a weak argument for people who cant win in the raw dollar category.

My example of 1000 dollars was to illustrate that I gave 4 times more on an avg per capita basis than a person in denmark. Yet there is no way my higher per capita spending helped anywhere near as much as the entire country of denmarks raw dollar output.

You can't have a pr. capita spending. Pr. Capita is the average amount of dollars given in a certain country or region... I refuse to believe you are that stupid, you must be playing some psychological trick on me.

You have to be kidding me, a psycholoigical trick? I am making an extreme example to prove to you that per capita is a waste to compare in this situation.

I think the example is working but you dont want to admit it.