Americans support war in Iraq 2-to-1, poll finds

heartsurgeon

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i can predict the liberals responses already:

people are sheep!
people are stupid!
idiots believe everything the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush White House tells them.
morons!, conspiracy to hide the truth! we are the terrorists! Dean will win!!
 
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..lest not forget "illegal war" and "no war for oil" and (my personal favorite) something about the lies (except for the under oath variety).
 

Red Dawn

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Hmmm..Can we conclude from this that the Bush Administration didn't have to resort to using dodgy intel to justify the Invasion ond Occupation of Iraq and could have been above board when presenting it's case?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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No justification was needed...Congress approved it and we simply enforced what the UN (France, Germany, Russia) refused to do.
Nothing like militant states where a power hungry head of state intimidates the peoples' representatives into endorsing BS policy. Congress does not approve wars . . . Congress is responsible for declaring war. Minor detail in that Constitution-thing . . . you know that document that no one acknowledges anymore.

people are sheep!
people are stupid!
idiots believe everything the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush White House tells them.
If the shoe fits . . . considering many Americans believe we found WMD in Iraq, Saddam was linked to 9/11 (or Al Qaeda), and the Sun orbits the Earth.

morons!, conspiracy to hide the truth! we are the terrorists!
Who needs a conspiracy when the country is populated by morons?!
Two years ago a Roper poll commissioned by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA) surveyed students attending the nation's top schools and found that 40 percent did not know in what half century the Civil War occurred. A recent National Assessment of Education Progress test found that more than half of high school seniors thought that Germany, Italy or Japan was our ally in World War II.

A Columbia Law School survey found that 35 percent of voting-age Americans thought that Karl Marx's dogma, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," was in the United States Constitution. Another 34 percent responded that they weren't sure.


 

phillyTIM

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
linky

i can predict the liberals responses already:

people are sheep!
people are stupid!
idiots believe everything the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush White House tells them.
morons!, conspiracy to hide the truth! we are the terrorists! Dean will win!!
Well I'm glad to know you already know how dumb Americans: 2 dumb to 1 smart

althought it is you who diss the liberals are the dumb ones
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
dodgy intel
you mean the same intel that Clinton had?
linky
Isn't this the same "aspirin factory" YABAs use to attack Clinton-era intelligence? Is it your contention that al Qaeda and Iraq conspired together to produce aspirin? The bastards, no wonder we had to attack.

The United Corps of America, making the world safer for Bayer.

 

heartsurgeon

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Who needs a conspiracy when the country is populated by morons?!
there you have it folks!
this is the essence of the elitist...they know more, they know better, they know whats best for you.

that's the basis of centralized, totalitarian goverments, that's the essence of communism....that's the hubris of the liberal. your just to stupid to know what's best for you..

these are the kind of people you want to run the goverment?
 
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Congress does not approve wars . . . Congress is responsible for declaring war. Minor detail in that Constitution-thing . . . you know that document that no one acknowledges anymore.[/i]
Read the War Powers Act of (1972, I think) and, moreover, we didn't declare war...the authorized the use of force. Though I have argued that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional (usurps power from the Congress), I believe your 'Constitution-thing' argument is moot.

 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
linky

i can predict the liberals responses already:

people are sheep!
people are stupid!
idiots believe everything the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush White House tells them.
morons!, conspiracy to hide the truth! we are the terrorists! Dean will win!!
Why don't you let people respond first instead of acting like a fvckin 5 year old.

Polls have been all over the board the past few months however its doubtful 2/3 of americans are that stupid.
 
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Originally posted by: jjsole
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Polls have been all over the board the past few months however its doubtful 2/3 of americans are that stupid.
So is it safe to assume, using your logic, that 1/3 of Americans are?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Who needs a conspiracy when the country is populated by morons?!
there you have it folks!
this is the essence of the elitist...they know more, they know better, they know whats best for you.

that's the basis of centralized, totalitarian goverments, that's the essence of communism....that's the hubris of the liberal. your just to stupid to know what's best for you..

these are the kind of people you want to run the goverment?
Wow you sound like the good little Limbaughtista. One person falls for your trap and you feel obliged group everyone who might not agree with you with him. Nice Job
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: jjsole
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Polls have been all over the board the past few months however its doubtful 2/3 of americans are that stupid.
So is it safe to assume, using your logic, that 1/3 of Americans are?
Please humble me with your logic and witt and explain how you extract this assumption.

 

BaliBabyDoc

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Let's see . . .Madison
On the question of finding weapons of mass destruction, for example, 33 percent of those who said Fox is their primary news source believe we found them. For the other news sources, it was CBS, 23 percent; NBC, 20; CNN, 20; ABC, 19; PBS/NPR, 17; print media, 11.

On the link between Saddam and al-Qaida, the percentages were: Fox, 67; CBS, 56; NBC, 49; CNN, 48; ABC, 45; print media, 40; and PBS/NPR, 16.

This is the same media that President Bush is now accusing of "filtering" the news out of Washington and telling only the "bad side" about Iraq and thus "forcing" him to give interviews to local television stations to "counter" them. He and Dick Cheney will undoubtedly attempt to spread even more misinformation.
From the "Watch What You Say" files, #5892375: a teacher at Oakland High School, CA, recently reported two students to the Secret Service after remarks they made about George W. Bush in a classroom discussion of the war in Iraq. The Secret Service then showed up at the high school and interrogated the students with neither legal counsel nor their parents present. The interrogation took place in the presence of the school principal, who, when asked by the students if they had the right to remain silent or the right to an attorney, allegedly replied, "We own you, you don't have any legal rights." Remember when the classroom used to be a place for learning and the free expression of ideas? Not any more, my friends. Welcome to Bush's America. Keep your mouth shut, look straight ahead, and don't say anything bad about Our Great Leader or they'll send the goon squad to have a quiet word in your ear. Note to conservatives who think that liberals want to turn America into the Soviet Union: are you blind?
Half truths and lies by Bush during 7OCT 2002

Cheney conflict depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Half truths and lies during the SOTU

So yes, I stand by my contention that our ill-informed and misinformed public is being manipulated by dishonorable pols and the duplicitous media FOX (aka phencyclidine) and MSNBC (aka ketamine).
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Read the War Powers Act of (1972, I think) and, moreover, we didn't declare war...the authorized the use of force. Though I have argued that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional (usurps power from the Congress), I believe your 'Constitution-thing' argument is moot.
Hmm, so a scarcely (if at all) Constitutionally-consistent law approved during a previous period of jingoist, militant fervor justifies current Bush militarism? IMHO, you are just sprinkling eau de toilette on a big steaming pile of poo.
 
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Read the War Powers Act of (1972, I think) and, moreover, we didn't declare war...the authorized the use of force. Though I have argued that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional (usurps power from the Congress), I believe your 'Constitution-thing' argument is moot.
Hmm, so a scarcely (if at all) Constitutionally-consistent law approved during a previous period of jingoist, militant fervor justifies current Bush militarism? IMHO, you are just sprinkling eau de toilette on a big steaming pile of poo.
Yea, I know...the War Powers Act is another example of a "document that no one acknowledges anymore." I would not have guessed that you viewed the Act as a "Constitutionally-consistent law." That's a very tough stance to take, if you read that "Consistution-thing" and then read the wording of the WPA...

But you are right, It was an "illegal war" and most Americans are just stupid.

 
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Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: jjsole
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Polls have been all over the board the past few months however its doubtful 2/3 of americans are that stupid.
So is it safe to assume, using your logic, that 1/3 of Americans are?
Please humble me with your logic and witt and explain how you extract this assumption.
Well, I started with the proposition that "2/3 of Americans are not that stupid," which you asserted above (realizing you said "doubtful"). Given that you did not mention the other 1/3 of the population, I assumed them to be the residual, or, in this case, those people who are stupid and cannot be classified with the other 2/3 of those who are not stupid. Then, using the logic of those opposed to war (and view all others as stupid), I assumed that the 1/3 (again, using the residual from your statistic) who opposed the war are, in layman's terms, stupid. This, sir, is how I arrived at the 1/3 of Americans are stupid assumption. :)

 

heartsurgeon

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jingoist, militant fervor
do you write copy for this news outlet?

here are some of the other phrases you may want to use..

fascist authorities
anti-socialist moves of the imperialists
thieves and sycophantic traitors
U.S. imperialists
imperialists' vicious moves of aggression and war
imperialist bellicose forces
international terrorist Rumsfeld
U.S. imperialist warhawks
imperialists' hegemonic and unilateral policies
nightmarish fascist policy of suppression
The bellicose Bush ruling quarters keen on hegemony and world domination..
the U.S. is, indeed, a nuclear fanatic and a rogue state threatening peace and security of humankind.

 

Strk

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
linky

i can predict the liberals responses already:

people are sheep!
people are stupid!
idiots believe everything the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush White House tells them.
morons!, conspiracy to hide the truth! we are the terrorists! Dean will win!!
So, because I believe the war was not justified I'm a liberal stupid sheep? How many of the reasons we went to war have been proven? Where is the link to 9/11? Where are the WMD? Where was the threat to the USA?

Also, I don't have much attachment to either party. With the exception of funding, it is hard to distinguish party members just by their actions for the most part.
 

Strk

Lifer
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
So, because I believe the war was not justified I'm a liberal stupid sheep?
i would never disrespect sheep by labling them liberal.
You never answered my questions. So who is the sheep if you can't make a justification? Yes, Saddam is a terrible man, but he is/was not the only one in power in a nation.
 

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