Exactly. Life is better in some ways and worse in others. Personally I want to find somewhere inbetween, though i doubt its feasible.
Exactly. Life is better in some ways and worse in others. Personally I want to find somewhere inbetween, though i doubt its feasible.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Technology has its benefits and its drawbacks. We as a society have embraced technology for good or for ill. There are ways to make that decision for yourself if you don't like it - become Amish, et cetera. To each his own.
As for 'going back to nature' and 'doing what we're programmed to do,' humans are programmed to use logic. This tends to cause advancement and a general move away from living as animals. Too many people want to use everything that comes with technology but then use their animal nature as an excuse for their behavior. You can't have it both ways. (last paragraph not directed towards you mike.)
I think it would be best before you pronounce on human nature that you had some idea who you are. The things you say have nothing whatever do do with the animal I know. Every human is born perfect and capable of infinite perfection but we turn ourselves into robots.
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Technology has its benefits and its drawbacks. We as a society have embraced technology for good or for ill. There are ways to make that decision for yourself if you don't like it - become Amish, et cetera. To each his own.
As for 'going back to nature' and 'doing what we're programmed to do,' humans are programmed to use logic. This tends to cause advancement and a general move away from living as animals. Too many people want to use everything that comes with technology but then use their animal nature as an excuse for their behavior. You can't have it both ways. (last paragraph not directed towards you mike.
You do have a point, as the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. A return to animism does not deny technology, it denies the absolute blind belief in industry, and nationalism, and religion. It means we do not seek to dominate the planet but live in tune with it. Eco-friendly, and Animal-friendly, and Human-friendly. It's more about not claiming the right to destroy, as that belongs in the hands of beings, spirits, forces, etc that are greater than us. It's about giving up on the sheer hubris we take for granted.
The me I know is constantly evolving and changing, so by your standards, I'd never be able to comment on human nature. Instead, I look to trends of humanity as a whole to make this statement. It is by the application of our human faculties that we become robots or independent people. The animal side is that which makes us robots - my animal instincts are identical to every other person's animal instincts, so by obeying them I have made myself one of the drones of society. By overcoming them, I can set myself apart, at least to a certain extent.
I'm all for that. If you honestly asked around, no one is interested in destroying the environment. As with all other things, there is at least one other side that must be considered. Even corporations would love to keep the environment pristine. However, this conflicts with their overriding goal - to make as much money as possible. Thus, there must be compromise.
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Remember how the polls were all pointing towards a Kerry landslide? Your side was disputing them left and right, now this one is dead on? Come now......
The me I know is constantly evolving and changing, so by your standards, I'd never be able to comment on human nature.
That me that is evolving and changing I call a cabbage grower who is in the business of accumulating cabbage. To know who you really are you have to cross a river. How are you going to cross with your thousands of pounds of cabbage.
There is a story about the oh gosh was it the Chinese and the Greeks? Anyway they were asked to compete to create the most beautiful cabbage, er, the most beautiful scene. The Chinese set about to create a fabulous masterpiece and the Greeks polished the walls till there were perfect mirrors. When the partition was removed ROM the room how could you tell who had won.
Anyway, what are you? Are you the words on the page or are you the paper. Are you thought or the immense infinite reflective silence that thought dances over. Are you the modulation or the wave. What is a mind that is conscious and without thought? Seems the difficulty is in letting go of the cabbage. We are so proud of the self we've created.
That me that is evolving and changing I call a cabbage grower who is in the business of accumulating cabbage. To know who you really are you have to cross a river. How are you going to cross with your thousands of pounds of cabbage.
There is a story about the oh gosh was it the Chinese and the Greeks? Anyway they were asked to compete to create the most beautiful cabbage, er, the most beautiful scene. The Chinese set about to create a fabulous masterpiece and the Greeks polished the walls till there were perfect mirrors. When the partition was removed ROM the room how could you tell who had won.
Anyway, what are you? Are you the words on the page or are you the paper. Are you thought or the immense infinite reflective silence that thought dances over. Are you the modulation or the wave. What is a mind that is conscious and without thought? Seems the difficulty is in letting go of the cabbage. We are so proud of the self we've created.
The real me is the one trying to figure out which I am, despite the distractions of my life. These distractions will, however, inevitably contribute to the final analysis, so I should seek to choose which distractions to which I will allow myself to be subject. By choosing them, I am shifting the answer to the question and redefining the answer. At any time, I can change the answer by carelessness or a deliberate shift in personal policy. Hopefully I have examined myself sufficiently to avoid these pitfalls and will continue on the path that I am currently on - the one that I believe to be leading me towards the answer that I believe is 'correct.'
Yup, I believe it's owned by religious extremists. Leave it up to csg to lap it up though...
I wonder if Americans would be as happy if they had a more accurate image of the terrible things their government was doing abroad... or are Americans just selfish?
Ayup - it's a Harris Poll - but go ahead and make fun of the Washington Times....
Leave it to infotroll to leave no thread untrolled with his anti-religion tripe.
CsG
If you are going to publicly call Infohawk out as a troll and such you need to have something to back it up. Otherwise, your claims are simply bogus. If you don't have any solid reasons to disparage him I'd think you'd just refrain from doing so.
Nobody ever explains why he is a troll or backs it up. So I'm not suprised if you don't have any evidence either.
You guys need to get a grip on life.
A person who looks for pain and misery of life will most likely find it.
A person who looks for pain and misery of life will most likely find it.
You seriously don't see how infotroll is trolling?
I did explain it - here it is again...
This thread is not about religion - nor is it about the Washington Times. It is about a HARRIS POLL on how Americans feel.
CsG
IHateMyJob2004
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It looks like people were even happier with life under President Clinton. I wonder why CsG did not mention this.
Anyway, you don't seem to really want to back your allegations up. Next time you yell troll on the boards (re: Infohawk) without any reason just remember that you're the real trull here.
Oh Yes, The Religious Radical Rights are celebrating big time.
I'm surrounded with houses with big signs in their yards "Pro-Life" , Man & Woman" , "Vote".
They are so thrilled that the Bush Regime is going to make the entire Country Officially a Gay Discriminatory Hating Nation that also has control over women's bodies. It's a "Happy" time. :roll:
:roll: I provided plenty of evidence to back up my point. You just don't accept it or totally ignore it. Infohawk has trolled plenty on this board - it's surprising you've ignored(willingly?) it when he has.
CsG
b0mbrman, stop thread-crapping. Ckg and I have been over this. If you want to discuss it just PM me instead of hi-jacking people's threads.... Regards.
Pliablemoose
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Wow, with what you post how the hell can you work in the defense industry & not slit your wrists every night?
More true than many will admit...
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