American Soldier Death Count In Iraq Almost @ 4,000

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The difference between this and many is that we elected to start a war where there was no cause. While I am completely sympathetic towards our soldiers, no Iraqi wanted to die in a war in which they were completely innocent. That is also a qualitative difference. In those battles you mention, the US participated against aggressor nations, this time we became the attackers. May they all rest in peace, ours and theirs.

Amen

 

[Stoneburner]

Let's also not forget 44,000 american casualties, alot of whom would be fatalities even in Vietnam.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Aimster
We attacked a nation with no army.

Who's next? American citizens?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The difference between this and many is that we elected to start a war where there was no cause. While I am completely sympathetic towards our soldiers, no Iraqi wanted to die in a war in which they were completely innocent. That is also a qualitative difference. In those battles you mention, the US participated against aggressor nations, this time we became the attackers. May they all rest in peace, ours and theirs.

Aggressor nations? You mean America was the aggressor. 😱

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The difference between this and many is that we elected to start a war where there was no cause. While I am completely sympathetic towards our soldiers, no Iraqi wanted to die in a war in which they were completely innocent. That is also a qualitative difference. In those battles you mention, the US participated against aggressor nations, this time we became the attackers. May they all rest in peace, ours and theirs.

Aggressor nations? You mean America was the aggressor. 😱

Obviously.

 

[trenchfoot]

in 'nam, us young, dumb, ignorant couldn't-give-a-shit-about-politics draftees had two reasons to fight that war - to keep each other alive and to make it back to the world in the same or better condition we entered it in. anything else really didn't matter much, and i can't see how that's changed for the troops occupying iraq; unless ulterior motives are attached.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Iraq is not a "war", it's an occupation. To call it a war just gives it legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.

All of the cases that the OP listed in comparison were actual wars where we were fighting an actual, organized army. When you consdier that we are just occupying a country, 4000 deaths seems like quite a toll.

I haven't found a source that provided a count of deaths incurred by German troops while occupying France in WW2. History shows that partisans where dealt with harshly and that punitive attacks were often made against villages. I tried Googling the subject, but actual numbers and time frames have eluded me.

Have you found a source of casualty numbers in occupied areas during periods of armed resistance?

 

[DainBramaged]

I was reading a book about famous battles and was amazed to realize how many soldiers died in just one campaign or battle. Good post, man.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

Then why stop there! Onward to North Korea! Onward to Iran! We have so much liberating to do!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Corbett
As the media and some here on P&N await anxiously for the US Soldier death count to exceed 4,000; I thought it was interesting to view the death counts of other wars to put them in persepctive. Yeah yeah, I know what many of you will say. "1 death is too many" And you are right! But that doesn't change the fact that the Iraq war has produced fewer American Soldiers' deaths than many of the wars before it.

Iraq War (5 years)-- 3,990
Batan Death March (one week)-- 10,000
Battle of Guadalcanal (186 days)-- 7,099
Battle of Guam (20 Days)-- 3,000
Operation Market Garden (9 days)-- 3,664
Battle of the Bulge (41 days)-- 19,276
Battle of Iwo Jima (39 days)-- 6,821
Battle of Pusan Perimeter (61 days-Korea)-- 6,706


http://gatewaypundit.blogspot....iraq-versus-major.html

The total number of people, Iraqis and Americans, wounded and killed in this war is the number that should used in these discussions.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

27,000,000 free Iraqi's aren't worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

If YOU think they're so valuable, why aren't YOU over there giving yours for them?

(or are you just another of the chickenhawk brigade?)

 

[JSt0rm]

hes a chickenhawk and he probably isn't even willing to pay the taxes needed to fund this mistake. Those are the worst. They wont lay down their lives or treasure but expect everyone around them or future generations to do it. Weak.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

27,000,000 free Iraqi's aren't worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

If YOU think they're so valuable, why aren't YOU over there giving yours for them?

(or are you just another of the chickenhawk brigade?)

If freedom was so cherished by those 27,000,000 Iraqi why didn't they revolt against Hussein instead of letting us take him out for them?

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

27,000,000 free Iraqi's aren't worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

If YOU think they're so valuable, why aren't YOU over there giving yours for them?

(or are you just another of the chickenhawk brigade?)

If freedom was so cherished by those 27,000,000 Iraqi why didn't they revolt against Hussein instead of letting us take him out for them?

LOL! Someone needs a history lesson!

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

27,000,000 free Iraqi's aren't worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

If YOU think they're so valuable, why aren't YOU over there giving yours for them?

(or are you just another of the chickenhawk brigade?)

If freedom was so cherished by those 27,000,000 Iraqi why didn't they revolt against Hussein instead of letting us take him out for them?

They died when he used chemical weapons on them? (Revolt of 1987-1988)

 

[ChunkiMunki]

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

4,000 and counting, plus how many wounded and disabled, TRILLIONS of dollars wasted, and no end in sight.
I will never again trust any government study advocating invasion of another country without a legitimate UN mandate and a true multinational coalition. What a tremendous waste, and a costly history lesson learned. I'm ashamed I bought the "WMD" lie. what a fool I am.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: manowar821
And yet, a good reason for the invasion has yet to surface.

We had a good reason, and it turned out wrong.

We had more than one good reason. 27,000,000 free Iraqis are worth 4,000 American lives.

27,000,000 free Iraqi's aren't worth ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

If YOU think they're so valuable, why aren't YOU over there giving yours for them?

(or are you just another of the chickenhawk brigade?)

If freedom was so cherished by those 27,000,000 Iraqi why didn't they revolt against Hussein instead of letting us take him out for them?

They died when he used chemical weapons on them? (Revolt of 1987-1988)

They were a small percentage of the 27 Mil and they were easily defeated. If it would have been a nation wide revolt they would have been able to overthrow Hussien.

 

[ultra laser]

I have no pity for dead soldiers. They signed up for it. Their choice was to risk their lives in a foreign country.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
I have no pity for dead soldiers. They signed up for it. Their choice was to risk their lives in a foreign country.

Wow. Just wow.

Perhaps we'll use your infallible logic to defend your nation against its enemies. Unless, of course, there's a draft. Then someone else as smart as you could not care.

There's an expectation of the rule of law in the United States of America. In order to keep that intact, you need a military. Not to rule the citizens, but to protect their way of life. That's why you're typing something unpatriotic without fear of retribution. The rule of law is intact.

Try that stuff in China and you'll be involuntarily donating organs.

Edited for spelling.

 

[dahunan]

I respect Alistair much.. but come on... we didn't even go there for Hussein .. or the Iraqi people..

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
I have no pity for dead soldiers. They signed up for it. Their choice was to risk their lives in a foreign country.

Yeah, the old "My SUV gets 3.2 soldiers per mile" argument, eh?


For the most part, our troops did NOT sign up to risk their lives in a foreign country, they signed up for some wierd feeling of "Duty to Country." Many of the poorest folks who enlist do so because it gives them a chance at something they'll never get where they live: education, job, health care, whatever...a chance to get out of the sewer where they were born.

 

[dahunan]

^^Our soldiers lives were stolen by fighting for unjust reasons and fighting the fight of nation building which is in turn destroying our own country

 

[ultra laser]

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: ultra laser
I have no pity for dead soldiers. They signed up for it. Their choice was to risk their lives in a foreign country.

Wow. Just wow.

Perhaps we'll use your infallible logic to defend your nation against it's enemies. Unless, of course, there's a draft. Then someone else as smart as you could not care.

There's an expectation of the rule of law in the United States of America. In order to keep that intact, you need a military. Not to rule the citizens, but to protect their way of life. That's why you're typing something unpatriotic without fear of retribution. The rule of law is intact.

Try that stuff in China and you'll be involuntarily donating organs.

Edited for spelling.

My lack of pity has nothing to do with patriotism. When you voluntarily engage in dangerous activities, like base jumping, cooking meth, or joining the military, you should be ready to face the consequences of your decision. If dying is not for you, then simply do something more safe. This is the 'freedom' we're so enamored with, is it not?