American Girl Die in First Trump-Era U.S. Military Raid

[fleshconsumed]

Here's the article from NBCnews.
NBCnews: SEAL, American Girl Die in First Trump-Era U.S. Military Raid

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I wanted to bring attention to the story because it seems to have gotten lost in all the ruckus lately.

Apparently in the the latest Yemen raid the SEAL was not the only casualty. According to Pentagon there were "numerous" civillian casualties, among them 8-year old American girl, Nawar al-Awlaki. Nawar was daughter of American Anwar al-Alwaki who was killed by a drone strike in 2011. Her brother in law was also apparently killed in the raid, her mother survived with minor wounds.

So here we have another raid, plenty of conflicting information. Pentagon says, that civilian women that were killed during the raid were actually military combatants, on the other hand various Yemen sources dispute that statement and say that as many as seven children ages 3 to 13 were killed.

But at least no one is disputing than an 8 year old American girl Nawar al-Awlaki was killed in the raid. By my crude account this makes it 4th member of her extended family killed. Her father Anwar al-Awlaki, his son Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, Nawar al-Awlaki, and her brother in law. At least two of these four people were completely innocent of any wrong doing. Yemen officials and everybody else are already circulating photos of dead children, including that of Nawar al-Awlaki, which for sure is going to fuel anti-American sentiment in the Middle East and I'm sure it'll drive ISIS recruitment numbers up. If that isn't enough, remember how Trump said "you have to take out their families" on Fox interview? And then doubled down on Face the Nation saying he would go after the wives? And then tripled down during Republican debates saying he'd expand the laws implying he'd allow for waterboarding and perhaps even clear the way for going after family members, as long as it's "lawful", it's all good? I'm sure that is all going to come up and will be used for new ISIS recruitment, the Muslim ban in just icing on the cake. I don't think Trump knows of law of unintended consequences, he doesn't think before he acts, he doesn't think one day into the future. I'm really afraid we'll go balls to the walls with him promising to eradicate radical Islamic terrorism creating generations of anti-American sentiment in the middle east which we will feel for decades if not entire century to come. So far Trump has delivered the perfect material for years of ISIS recruitment machine. Great job, making America War Machine Great Again.

 

[FIVR]

Mr. "You've gotta go after their families" wins the presidency, and the first US raid is to murder some 8 year old daughter of a terrorist. Wonderful. Also, LOL at the claims that this raid was for some no-name abu al-arabi al qaeda member.... and this girl just happened to be there and they just happened to shoot her 3 times in the face. Just... lol.




This is what a terrorist looks like in 2017 America:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You don't want to play that card. Seriously.

 

[Sinsear]

Little Nawar’s dad died in a 2011 drone strike, which was ordered by Obama with the explicit purpose of killing the terrorist. Two weeks after his killing, a second drone strike killed his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, who was born in the U.S.

So, when Obama authorized the drone strike thatkilled her 16 year old brother, did that drive ISIS recruitment numbers up?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yea, I loathe drumpf. I wouldn't piss on him to put him out if he were on fire, but we've been killing children in 'war' for a very long time now. My earliest memory was that of the naked girl running down the street in Vietnam. We'd napalm villages and take out children.
Again, drumpf is a bloated sack of rancid mule diarrhea, but this is not something we can pin on him and pretend it hasn't happened before under other administrations.

 

[fleshconsumed]

So, when Obama authorized the drone strike thatkilled her 16 year old brother, did that drive ISIS recruitment numbers up?

This is far different. You have an 8 year old child here. You have President of the United States saying on tape he would go after their families. And 10 days after he is sworn in an 8 year old girl of al-Alwaki family is suddenly killed in a raid? Surely you can see how this looks from the perspective of people who live over there?

 

[Sinsear]

This is far different. You have an 8 year old child here. You have President of the United States saying on tape he would go after their families. And 10 days after he is sworn in an 8 year old girl of al-Alwaki family is suddenly killed in a raid? Surely you can see how this looks from the perspective of people who live over there?

No, I can't. What I see is an agenda being pushed in the press. There has been collateral damage for ages. And all recent Presidents have innocent blood on their hands.

 

[Thump553]

Agree with the other posters. Plus no way the SEALs would obey an order to gun down unarmed children.
From the little I read about this raid, it was a very intense firefight. SEALs are highly trained and highly disciplined soldiers. Who knows whose bullet killed this poor girl, but I'd put money on it coming from one of her so-called defenders' guns.

 

[1prophet]

This is far different. You have an 8 year old child here. You have President of the United States saying on tape he would go after their families. And 10 days after he is sworn in an 8 year old girl of al-Alwaki family is suddenly killed in a raid? Surely you can see how this looks from the perspective of people who live over there?

You think it makes a difference to the people there when a family gets killed intentionally or their death is the result of collateral damage/ mistake.

http://www.newsweek.com/wedding-bec...ent-one-year-deadly-yemen-drone-strike-291403

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2014/02/19/wedding-became-funeral-0


The Wedding That Became a Funeral: U.S. Still Silent One Year on From Deadly Yemen Drone Strike

A year on from a U.S. drone strike in Yemen that hit a wedding convoy, killing 12, the United States government have refused to formally recognise the attack, or publicly acknowledge that unarmed civilians died as a result of the strike. However, recent investigations have found that they have secretly paid a record sum of over $1 million in compensation to the families of the victims.

According to the victims, on 12th December 2013, Abdallah Mabkhut al-Ameri, his new wife and about 60 of their friends and family, were travelling in a wedding procession outside the city of Rada’a when four Hellfire missiles hit the convoy, resulting in the deaths of more than 10 people, including the groom’s son from a previous marriage, and injury of 24 more.

Al-Ameri recalled the events, in an interview with human rights organisation Reprieve: “That day, we had lunch, ate and drank water and headed to pick up the bride. We were around 60-70 people and around 12 cars. The mood was joyful and I was so pleased. I was surrounded with friends and family. I was so happy. It was my wedding party. Then we were hit.”

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is far different. You have an 8 year old child here. You have President of the United States saying on tape he would go after their families. And 10 days after he is sworn in an 8 year old girl of al-Alwaki family is suddenly killed in a raid? Surely you can see how this looks from the perspective of people who live over there?

I think you ought to reexamine reality. Trump talking one thing but perhaps you should know that the military has ethics and its own law. The willful execution of non-combatants is illegal and immoral (as strange as that might sound) to the armed forces. Yeah it happens sadly but it is nothing to be desired. Mattis pretty weil destroyed those who committed war crimes under his watch. Highly trained professionals like SEALS are selected in part because they know the rules and consequently they are more likely to shoot Trump in the face if the alternative was to do as you suggest.

 

[bshole]

I think you ought to reexamine reality. Trump talking one thing but perhaps you should know that the military has ethics and its own law. The willful execution of non-combatants is illegal and immoral (as strange as that might sound) to the armed forces. Yeah it happens sadly but it is nothing to be desired. Mattis pretty weil destroyed those who committed war crimes under his watch. Highly trained professionals like SEALS are selected in part because they know the rules and consequently they are more likely to shoot Trump in the face if the alternative was to do as you suggest.

Never mind that what the American government is asking them to do is an affront to human morality. You may be down with American dropping bombs in the Middle East, I consider it highly sophisticated terrorism and an affront to human decency.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Never mind that what the American government is asking them to do is an affront to human morality. You may be down with American dropping bombs in the Middle East, I consider it highly sophisticated terrorism and an affront to human decency.

Since Bush went to war no President or party has seen it as you. If it were otherwise calls for justice would not have been ignored or silenced. We don't matter. Terrorism doesn't matter. What does is looking good without complications.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I can't. What I see is an agenda being pushed in the press.

If that's true, it's the same agenda that was pushed on Obama.

 

[bshole]

Since Bush went to war no President or party has seen it as you. If it were otherwise calls for justice would not have been ignored or silenced. We don't matter. Terrorism doesn't matter. What does is looking good without complications.

The entire Middle East loathes America above any other country. The Chinese are not hated in the Middle East. America bombs the Middle East. China does not bomb the Middle East. This is not complicated.

The Middle East and the world are demonstrably FAR worse off for our interventions.

Our bombs are bad for the Middle East, they are bad for us and they are bad for the world. They are terrorism.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If that's true, it's the same agenda that was pushed on Obama.

You left out the rest of his point. Obama has blood on his hands and let's not play the victim card. Political hacks had the crazy notion that Obama was some poor waif that had no choice. He could have called for an investigation of Iraq. Poor guy might get Republicans mad at him.

There are no innocents. Choices were willfully made for good or ill and no one gets a pass.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The entire Middle East loathes America above any other country. The Chinese are not hated in the Middle East. America bombs the Middle East. China does not bomb the Middle East. This is not complicated.

The Middle East and the world are demonstrably FAR worse off for our interventions.

Our bombs are bad for the Middle East, they are bad for us and they are bad for the world. They are terrorism.

You realize you are preaching to the choir, right?

 

[JSt0rm]

So, when Obama authorized the drone strike thatkilled her 16 year old brother, did that drive ISIS recruitment numbers up?

Pretty sure we could dig up quotes of you being mad at obama for killing americans.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I think you ought to reexamine reality. Trump talking one thing but perhaps you should know that the military has ethics and its own law. The willful execution of non-combatants is illegal and immoral (as strange as that might sound) to the armed forces. Yeah it happens sadly but it is nothing to be desired. Mattis pretty weil destroyed those who committed war crimes under his watch. Highly trained professionals like SEALS are selected in part because they know the rules and consequently they are more likely to shoot Trump in the face if the alternative was to do as you suggest.

What I'm saying is that to people living over there the only thing that matters is the innocent people and children being killed. They don't care about our politics, they don't care if it's right or wrong, they don't care if it's collateral damage or not, they care that the innocent people including little children are dead. Now you believe that when Trump said he'd go after their families it was just rhetoric. Well, I'd bet that to Yemen people and people all over Middle East it looks way different than you. They see American President promising on national TV he'd go after families, not once, not twice, but multiple times, and then they see a little girl and her brother in law getting killed just 10 days after he is sworn in. It doesn't matter that you don't believe Trump would ever issue an order like that, Yemen people will see it differently. And ISIS and other radical groups will use this to recruit more people to their cause than ever before.

 

[Sinsear]

Pretty sure we could dig up quotes of you being mad at obama for killing americans.

Pretty sure you can't. I supported Obama's use of drone strikes.

 

[disappoint]

I think you ought to reexamine reality. Trump talking one thing but perhaps you should know that the military has ethics and its own law. The willful execution of non-combatants is illegal and immoral (as strange as that might sound) to the armed forces. Yeah it happens sadly but it is nothing to be desired. Mattis pretty weil destroyed those who committed war crimes under his watch. Highly trained professionals like SEALS are selected in part because they know the rules and consequently they are more likely to shoot Trump in the face if the alternative was to do as you suggest.

Are they still ethical if they kill only the guy you hate? What if he looks like a Cheeto though?

 

[Jhhnn]

You left out the rest of his point. Obama has blood on his hands and let's not play the victim card. Political hacks had the crazy notion that Obama was some poor waif that had no choice. He could have called for an investigation of Iraq. Poor guy might get Republicans mad at him.

There are no innocents. Choices were willfully made for good or ill and no one gets a pass.

Please. The implication is that the media follows a different agenda wrt Trump than Obama.

I point out the falsity of that.

 

[MajinCry]

Yea, I loathe drumpf. I wouldn't piss on him to put him out if he were on fire, but we've been killing children in 'war' for a very long time now. My earliest memory was that of the naked girl running down the street in Vietnam. We'd napalm villages and take out children.
Again, drumpf is a bloated sack of rancid mule diarrhea, but this is not something we can pin on him and pretend it hasn't happened before under other administrations.

As long as America is going to rampage, there's going to be an untold number of innocents killed and raped. Children aren't excluded. I advocate that Americans watch Winter Soldier, for the testimony from veterans that spoke about what the Americans did in Vietnam; it's a good look into what the boys in green get up to.

So ya, can't pin this on Trump. This goes way, way back. Hell, at the end of the second world war, Allied soldiers weren't, uh, too easy on the women and girls in occupied territory.

 

[HomerJS]

No, I can't. What I see is an agenda being pushed in the press. There has been collateral damage for ages. And all recent Presidents have innocent blood on their hands.

Agenda my ass. That fact that's you know about the 16 year old means it was reported by the ebil librul media

 

[JSt0rm]

the right will always be the victim. Its one of the pillars of christianity.

 

[nickqt]

Drone terrorism and imperialism needs to end. The sooner the better.

Unfortunately, most people are still too brain damaged by propaganda and jingoistic nationalism to read the first sentence without becoming enraged just as they've been trained to do.