I'm not talking about unemployment benefits - that only applies to a selective group of individuals silly billy.
So what are you talking about?
I'm not talking about unemployment benefits - that only applies to a selective group of individuals silly billy.
I am going to go Sanders on you here, most of Europe is doing a damned fine job with "singleplayer". Another part of singlepayer is the cost of medicine... well you know the Sanders speech, all I can say is its true. I live it. I've seen my fair share of the inside of that institution, been under the knife many times, and it always leaves me proud and amazed. Going back soon for a few cuts for shit I've done to myself over half a life of being 'active'.
So what are you talking about?
i specifically mentioned a $1,200 check as part of my statement. Is it too difficult for you to connect the dots?
When I pointed out that's not all Dems want you pretend that it is. And now you doubled down on it.
You clearly didn't read my posts - I know, it's difficult to challenge you to such substantial measures.
Inyet they can't agree on some very simple stimulus items to keep shit together.
God forbid you give folks money consistently when the economy will be shut down for 9+ months straight....
No no no - gotta go by the establishment party method of occasionally shelling out peanut $1,200 checks on occasion.
The progressive region of the lefties are mocked, laughed at, and ridiculed by the establishment.... And the majority are bending over saying "Yes sir, may I have another?"
Look we can talk about things like that all you want - but the fact of the matter is you can't talk about that without also discussing the facts that come along with it. How is their single payer system paid for?
1. Europe has substantially higher income taxes on the lower and middle-class than the US. In the US, the bottom 50% LITERALLY pay 0% in income taxes - or they are a net negative on taxes (due to tax credits). That is 100% factual - and there is zero ways you can question that other than being blissfully ignorant (feel free to - there are plenty here that are that retarded). That isn't what happens in Europe. Roughly the top 25% of the US pays roughly 90% of the federal income tax in the US. Again, this is a fact - it's not something you can argue other than cherry picking other data that doesn't apply to my statement.
2. Europe also has a Value Added Tax (VAT). It's essentially our Sales tax system - but on steroids of somewhere between 15-20% depending on the country. In addition, our sales tax system is SPECIFICALLY for STATE and LOCAL (city/county/district) taxes. It is NOT for the federal government, which means if we instituted the same it would be stacked on-top of our current Sales Tax system.
3. Europe also has low corporate taxes - similar to us after our latest tax reform under Republicans:
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The Point? If you want single payer - prepare to pay for it. No one talks about that part of the argument, but if you want it, you have to pay for it.
The ACA upped my premium by 50% and my deductible by $3500. Not a good deal for me, but it really helped a few people I know.Yes - but DONT WORRY!
Obamacare fixed it for Greenman. It was an amazing package that fixed our healthcare problems. Just look at his amazing deductibles and monthly payments!
All we need are more establishment plutocrats to pass ONE MORE bill to fix it!
Conceptual question, if you make enough bank, are you willing to pay a little extra so someone less fortunate than you gets a break?The ACA upped my premium by 50% and my deductible by $3500. Not a good deal for me, but it really helped a few people I know.
Being self employed I'm used to getting fucked and not kissed.
You have either totally underestimated his desperation and how mentally ill he actually is, or totally overestimated him as a man with any integrity.Do you ever worry you might completely misread a situation? I think Trump will lose the election and Biden will be President at the appointed time and all this concern is a waste of energy.
Conceptual question, if you make enough bank, are you willing to pay a little extra so someone less fortunate than you gets a break?
"A little extra" ?
To quote South Park: "Are you high or just incredibly stupid?"
"A little extra" isn't an epic fuckton in monthly premiums ($1,200 in this case with Greenman) AND a HUGE ASS $6,000 deductible IF and when something happens. Fucking christ, with that level of deductible you have to pray that you have two or more accidents a year, because just one isn't going to even get you past the deductible part - let alone the max out of pocket.
That makes perfect sense?
IIRC the cost of singleplayer in europe is HALF of what you pay for healthcare in the US.
So copy the model, get costs down. Healthcare for profit is an abomination.
That should immediately offset the 50% that dont pay taxes as you claim.
Also consider that not all Swedish citizens pays taxes. Somehow the wheels keep turning.
Same with free public education.
You know what it all adds up to? The American dream.
The reality you have to face, and its been proven, is that trickle down is a fantasy. Its trickle up that works, ESPECIALLY if you wanna get rich... Maybe not filthy rich buy a US Senate rich, but rich enough to rock the yachts and private planes. What the f you want more than that?
In yet - places like Canada actively pay for their citizens to fly to the US to get treatments for certain cases because they lack the technology, doctors, and necessary intellect to do the procedures locally.
You win some things and you lose others.
We also don't have a line-up in order to get simple procedures such as an MRI. Obviously that comes at a cost, but you get the picture.
The point being, Single Payer is some INSTANT WIN card where you automatically win and are better off for everything in life.
also - in Nordic countries, the majority do pay income taxes unlike how I outlined in the US.
And also - no matter how much you want to pussy-foot around it, Nordic countries that you love to get a hard-on for are known for substantially taxing their populace far more than the US. But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings!
In yet - places like Canada actively pay for their citizens to fly to the US to get treatments for certain cases because they lack the technology, doctors, and necessary intellect to do the procedures locally.
You win some things and you lose others.
I need an MRI? I get it the next day.We also don't have a line-up in order to get simple procedures such as an MRI. Obviously that comes at a cost, but you get the picture.
Ill grant you as much as its an instant win.The point being, Single Payer is some INSTANT WIN card where you automatically win and are better off for everything in life.
True. All of it. And we like it that way. If you want to know why, check the ted talk i linked above. I get rich b. I am making bank. I also know where I am coming from and have NO problem paying my HIGH taxes.also - in Nordic countries, the majority do pay income taxes unlike how I outlined in the US.
And also - no matter how much you want to pussy-foot around it, Nordic countries that you love to get a hard-on for are known for substantially taxing their populace far more than the US. But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings!
OK, but what's the problem with that. In 100 days Trump will be gone is what I believe. Remember a shit storm is something you experience in your head. I think you are confusing the fact that Trump will attempt to create a shit storm, that being a rational conclusion to reach, with the irrational, in my opinion, fear you seem to have that he will do that. There are facts and then our reactions to them. I am not having your reaction because I expect a shit storm and that it will be ineffective. I believe Trump is toast and frankly, I think he does too.You have either totally underestimated his desperation and how mentally ill he actually is, or totally overestimated him as a man with any integrity.
It is going to be a Category 5 shit storm unlike anything we have ever seen.
Mate, it's the current U.S. healthcare system which is the expensive one, not single payer. You know the way it works in Merica - pay through the nose, almost more than you can afford, you still might not get cover for what you need, or there could be cost caps involved and so on.The Point? If you want single payer - prepare to pay for it. No one talks about that part of the argument, but if you want it, you have to pay for it.
You stare yourself blind on taxes alone, man. You want the things in Merica which you get for free in Scandinavia, you'll have to pay for it too as you're undoubtedly aware - except you'll end up paying A LOT MORE. Like education for example, private schools are expensive, university even more so, but in my country you'd pay nothing. Well, except your living expenses, and for post-high school education, also your student literature.And also - no matter how much you want to pussy-foot around it, Nordic countries that you love to get a hard-on for are known for substantially taxing their populace far more than the US. But don't let facts get in the way of your feelings!
He will be full on destruction mode (of our country and government) in 100 days, and because it falls to the cabinet which he as pre-loaded with his cronies and stooges, plus that the republican majority Senate is as corrupt and damn near as stupid as Trump, the 25th Amendment might as well not exist.OK, but what's the problem with that. In 100 days Trump will be gone is what I believe. Remember a shit storm is something you experience in your head. I think you are confusing the fact that Trump will attempt to create a shit storm, that being a rational conclusion to reach, with the irrational, in my opinion, fear you seem to have that he will do that. There are facts and then our reactions to them. I am not having your reaction because I expect a shit storm and that it will be ineffective. I believe Trump is toast and frankly, I think he does too.
Seems like we differ in that all I have is an opinion whereas you know what is going to happen. I believe and certainly hope you are wrong.He will be full on destruction mode (of our country and government) in 100 days, and because it falls to the cabinet which he as pre-loaded with his cronies and stooges, plus that the republican majority Senate is as corrupt and damn near as stupid as Trump, the 25th Amendment might as well not exist.
No, the shit storm will be broad spectrum and likely in every city with civil unrest. Even if he is absoultly demolished in the election, neither he, nor the 30-40% that represent his base will accept defeat.
Seems like we differ in that all I have is an opinion whereas you know what is going to happen. I believe and certainly hope you are wrong.
He has an "opinion" too. One based on solid fact. The notion that Trump is just going to walk away after losing the election ignores all past history.
Like riots, shootings, and buildings burned? Sounds like Thursday night to me.You have either totally underestimated his desperation and how mentally ill he actually is, or totally overestimated him as a man with any integrity.
It is going to be a Category 5 shit storm unlike anything we have ever seen.
BLM protests - anarchy.Like riots, shootings, and buildings burned? Sounds like Thursday night to me.
I hope I'm wrong too... but I understand exactly how rabid a large number of tRump supporters are. We know tRump will rile them up, just as he does today with a blatantly racist remarks. They are mostly white, mostly poorly educated, mostly racist, and will bring their own cups to drink the orange kool-aid.Seems like we differ in that all I have is an opinion whereas you know what is going to happen. I believe and certainly hope you are wrong.