American captain rescued, pirates killed, U.S. official says

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Atreus21
When the original thread about this was opened, I said Obama would apologize.

Clearly I was wrong. Thumbs up to the man with the plan.

Yep, Rush Limbaugh just looked stupid by broadcasting that moronic story where Obama is apologetic to the pirates. He wasn't lying when he said he wanted to the president to fail.

Disagree with you about Rush, but so be it.

Well, mocking the president as a pacifist pussy means you want him to succeed? Ok.

Obama authorized lethal force and additional forces the next day.

I'd love to hear what the fat fck has to say today?

 

[Atheus]

In the old days all decent ocean going ships either had enough cannon to repel pirates, were fast enough to outrun them, or were escorted by the navy. Maybe it would be a good idea to back to something like that? Western navies spend a lot of time doing very little - why not have the container ships and tankers travel in convoys escorted by a frigate? Even the smallest modern warship could deal with any number of pirates.

 

[rudder]

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

 

[Carmen813]

I'm glad the SEALS are on my side. Kudos!

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: rudder
Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people?

Very good point, even though the pirates themselves deserve to be hated you can see much of this board would hate them anyway, pirates or not. I've seen several people here describe the Somalis (all of them not just the pirates) as subhuman, evil, animals, etc, and suggesting 'we' wipe 'them' out. Classic racist rhetoric.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: rudder
Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people?

Very good point, even though the pirates themselves deserve to be hated you can see much of this board would hate them anyway, pirates or not. I've seen several people here describe the Somalis (all of them not just the pirates) as subhuman, evil, animals, etc, and suggesting 'we' wipe 'them' out. Classic racist rhetoric.

Would the same people who are defending them in this thread and blaming everything but them (they have a hard life, people fish thier waters, etc) if they were white?



No.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: rudder
Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people?

Very good point, even though the pirates themselves deserve to be hated you can see much of this board would hate them anyway, pirates or not. I've seen several people here describe the Somalis (all of them not just the pirates) as subhuman, evil, animals, etc, and suggesting 'we' wipe 'them' out. Classic racist rhetoric.

Would the same people who are defending them in this thread and blaming everything but them (they have a hard life, people fish thier waters, etc) if they were white?



No.

You're suggesting a bias towards black people? Pretty sure nobody has defended the pirates anyway. You mean defending the innocent Somalis who are caught up in this? They do have a hard life there's no arguement there. I don't think there are too many white people in this world who have it as bad, but if there were, I'm sure everyone would feel just as sorry for them as they do the Somalis.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take time all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

This is a serious breach of security on anandtech. When a mod's account gets hijacked, you know we're in deep doo-doo.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Atheus
In the old days all decent ocean going ships either had enough cannon to repel pirates, were fast enough to outrun them, or were escorted by the navy. Maybe it would be a good idea to back to something like that? Western navies spend a lot of time doing very little - why not have the container ships and tankers travel in convoys escorted by a frigate? Even the smallest modern warship could deal with any number of pirates.

Er...not really. Merchant ships would routinely surrender to pirates as most of their masters and crew generally had little interest in dieing for their insured cargo or the shipowner's profits. Merchant shipping might sometimes travel in convoys but would rarely be escorted by navy ships.

Piracy was only really broken by aggressive action against pirate bases and a highly increased naval presence.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Atheus
In the old days all decent ocean going ships either had enough cannon to repel pirates, were fast enough to outrun them, or were escorted by the navy. Maybe it would be a good idea to back to something like that? Western navies spend a lot of time doing very little - why not have the container ships and tankers travel in convoys escorted by a frigate? Even the smallest modern warship could deal with any number of pirates.

No. Virtually all merchant shipping companies discourage any aggressive action by ships staff. Everything is replaceable (and insured against loss) on the ship except lives. The intent is to cooperate enough to avoid aggression by the boarders or pirates. There are good and sound reasons why merchant ships are not armed.

Most acts of piracy are opportunists and do not last long as the pirates take what they can get and leave. The Somalis have taken this to a different level with their ransom strategy.

As far as convoys, one has to realize the area these pirates are operating in is huge and not easily covered by navies. And there is not one 'route' through the area. Ships come from all directions to converge at the Gulf of Aden. Many ships, like container ships, have schedules published 6 months in advance (how do you think all this just-in-time manufacturing works?) and have very little tolerances. To create convoys wold throw all that out of gear and would be chaotic for world trade.

The best course of action is to work on the country and get it back to some sort of rule of law. That would make it easier to go after the pirates on their home turf. As things stand in Somalia the pirates are free from any reprisal when they get home.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take time all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

This is a serious breach of security on anandtech. When a mod's account gets hijacked, you know we're in deep doo-doo.

No one hijacked me, my account or my computer. No sharpshooters required. It's a matter of practical reality. Being a sympathetic, compassionate lib doesn't require capitulation to an immediate threat to your life or anyone else's. It's hard to remain sympathetic or compassionate if you're dead.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Atheus
In the old days all decent ocean going ships either had enough cannon to repel pirates, were fast enough to outrun them, or were escorted by the navy. Maybe it would be a good idea to back to something like that? Western navies spend a lot of time doing very little - why not have the container ships and tankers travel in convoys escorted by a frigate? Even the smallest modern warship could deal with any number of pirates.

The real problem is that Somalia has no central government, is dirt poor and is adjacent to a rich shipping lane. I've read that piracy is the largest sector of the economy in Somalia.

Until Somalia gets a real government this problem will persist. Racism has nothing to do with it.

And Somalia hasn't had a real government since at least the first Bush administration.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"Think they will mess with an American ship again???"


Yes I do. "Somali pirates vow to retaliate"


"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

So are these pirates in it for the money or are they now upping the ante to being full fledged terrorists?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
When the original thread about this was opened, I said Obama would apologize.

Clearly I was wrong. Thumbs up to the man with the plan.

While your thinking that shows some serious ideological problems, kudos for admitting it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: rudder
[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

huh?

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Atreus21
When the original thread about this was opened, I said Obama would apologize.

Clearly I was wrong. Thumbs up to the man with the plan.

Yep, Rush Limbaugh just looked stupid by broadcasting that moronic story where Obama is apologetic to the pirates. He wasn't lying when he said he wanted to the president to fail.

Disagree with you about Rush, but so be it.

So Limbaugh was smart broadcasting a story of Obama apologizing to the pirates, makes sense to me.

Let see...

Obama is full of shit
Obama would never take action without the U.N.
Obama is weak on defense
Obama is a doe eyed liberal
Obama is a ......

Ooops!

 

[HomerJS]

BTW - I'm making a prediction for the Fox News shows tonight. Lead story will be those tax protests, not the rescuing of the captain and the killing of the pirates.

Usual fair and balanced BS.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
BTW - I'm making a prediction for the Fox News shows tonight. Lead story will be those tax protests, not the rescuing of the captain and the killing of the pirates.

Usual fair and balanced BS.

Maybe because that happened yesterday?

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: HomerJS
BTW - I'm making a prediction for the Fox News shows tonight. Lead story will be those tax protests, not the rescuing of the captain and the killing of the pirates.

Usual fair and balanced BS.

Maybe because that happened yesterday?

The weekday shows haven't dealt with it yet. It would be a new story for them. Anything happening on Sunday would be a Monday item.

Using your logic there should be no mention of the tax protests since they haven't happened yet.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take time all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

This is a serious breach of security on anandtech. When a mod's account gets hijacked, you know we're in deep doo-doo.

No one hijacked me, my account or my computer. No sharpshooters required. It's a matter of practical reality. Being a sympathetic, compassionate lib doesn't require capitulation to an immediate threat to your life or anyone else's. It's hard to remain sympathetic or compassionate if you're dead.

You keep this up and you re going to be posting that you support Bush's plan to invade Iraq.. WTF is going on here?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take time all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

This is a serious breach of security on anandtech. When a mod's account gets hijacked, you know we're in deep doo-doo.

No one hijacked me, my account or my computer. No sharpshooters required. It's a matter of practical reality. Being a sympathetic, compassionate lib doesn't require capitulation to an immediate threat to your life or anyone else's. It's hard to remain sympathetic or compassionate if you're dead.

You keep this up and you re going to be posting that you support Bush's plan to invade Iraq.. WTF is going on here?

You'd better watch out, son. If you start thinking I make sense, I could start thinking there's hope for you, yet. :beer:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: rudder

[eskimopy] :| Would there be all this hate if these pirates weren't brown skinned people? [/eskimopy]

Irrelevant. They were an immediate threat, first to the lives of the entire crew, then, to the captain's life.

When you corner a rabid dog, first you shoot the dog. THEN, when the immediate threat is removed, you can take time all the time you want to feel sorry for the poor little doggy and think about what can be done to prevent further rabies infections.

This is a serious breach of security on anandtech. When a mod's account gets hijacked, you know we're in deep doo-doo.

No one hijacked me, my account or my computer. No sharpshooters required. It's a matter of practical reality. Being a sympathetic, compassionate lib doesn't require capitulation to an immediate threat to your life or anyone else's. It's hard to remain sympathetic or compassionate if you're dead.

You keep this up and you re going to be posting that you support Bush's plan to invade Iraq.. WTF is going on here?

You'd better watch out, son. If you start thinking I make sense, I could start thinking there's hope for you, yet. :beer:

Here comes the padded wagon for both of you.