America and it's entitlement problem

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: fitzov

Your problem begins with thinking the government is a provider. It is not.

Well, in fact it is--it provides services all the time. Roads, for example.

But what you mean is that you don't think it should be. That's typically what the upper class thinks because they think they are entitled to all their wealth.

And why should the rich not be entitled to their wealth? It is theirs, no?

Their wealth was not created in a vacuum, read my post above yours. The wealth of the rich benefits the most from government economic provisions.

so wait... all taxpayers pay for these things and all taxpayers have the opportunity to use them. I don't understand how this should make rich ppl not entitield to what they work for.

Someone earning $25k a year couldn't give two $hits about the SEC, but a person earning $5,000,000 has a lot on the line to lose in an economic collapse, stock fraud, bank foreclosure (FDIC insurance).

I'm not saying it doesn't protect that poor person, but they have less to be protected.

 

[Siddhartha]

Farmers and big business

 

[Eeezee]

I think it depends more on social status than on age.

Middle class have the highest sense of entitlement, followed by rich, followed by poor.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Someone earning $25k a year couldn't give two $hits about the SEC, but a person earning $5,000,000 has a lot on the line to lose in an economic collapse, stock fraud, bank foreclosure (FDIC insurance).

I'm not saying it doesn't protect that poor person, but they have less to be protected.

I certainly agree that rich ppl have more to lose from the failure the above than a poor person would from spending money on the lottery.

Different things affect them than would affect someone like me. but they pay for it, as everyone else pays for it. Just as they pay for stuff they don't get to keep or use or benefit from.

And I still don't get how it makes them not entitled to what they have. Might just be me, though.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sandorski
Not an age, a Class. The Upper Class has the largest sense of Entitlement.

Amazing.

so much so that they pay most of the taxes. duh.

gotta be low income minorities and baby boomers.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: sandorski
Not an age, a Class. The Upper Class has the largest sense of Entitlement.

Amazing.

Yes, it is amazing. It is amazing that the Upper Class has taken over Politics with Lobbyists. It is amazing that the Upper Classes have pretty much routed the organizations of the Working Classes through Legislation and other strong arm tactics. It iis amazing that the Upper Classes will put Millions of Workers out into the street, not because they(Upper Class) are losing money, but because they can Profit even more by moviing their operations to a part of the World with substandad wages and living conditions. It is amazing how the Upper Classes profit, while the Lower Classes die in Iraq.

You are 100% correct, it is truly amazing how the Class that recieves the least from Government is accused the most of having "Entitlement".

Yup, upper class liberal rich SOBs put liberals in power who in turn promise the poor free crack (welfare and social services and tax the rich) so that they stay poor and the rich stay rich and in power.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: BillGates
Old people.

QFT.

Old people are so whiny.

"In my day I had to..."

Hey guess what - theres a thing called social progress!

I don't have to slave away cooking meals I can use the microwave.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

 

[Baked]

Try the people playing World of Warcraft.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

I agree - I turn 20 in a month and (especially here on campus) most of my peers grew up without knowing want or worry.

I on the other hand know the value of frugality - but then, every penny of my constantly <$1000 bank balance has been earned through job(s).

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

I agree - I turn 20 in a month and (especially here on campus) most of my peers grew up without knowing want or worry.

I on the other hand know the value of frugality - but then, every penny of my constantly <$1000 bank balance has been earned through job(s).

I don't understand the logic here, because you guys were poor, we all have to suffer for it?

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

I agree - I turn 20 in a month and (especially here on campus) most of my peers grew up without knowing want or worry.

I on the other hand know the value of frugality - but then, every penny of my constantly <$1000 bank balance has been earned through job(s).

I don't understand the logic here, because you guys were poor, we all have to suffer for it?

I should have said it was off topic and not about the main discussion here - I was just making a comment in reference to KarenMarie's post. Just making a generic statement about some of my peers.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

And most people in previous generations were the same exact way. Its just when people get older its harder for them to accept change.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

That's the kind of stuff I implied my peers never went through in my post. Might be part of the reason why cold doesn't bother me.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

The irony is all that stuff you talk about as being luxuries grow the economy. If everyone ate and used junk or old stuff, there would be no money flow/velocity and the economy would shrink. It feeds itself in both directions.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

Almost every generation has a better standard of living than the generation before it. If it's not cell phones and computers, it's color television and cars with power windows.

As far as the most self serving population? It's most definitely the seniors/AARP group. They will do anything they can to make lives better for them and could give two sh!ts about anyone else. They couldn't care less about the repercussions...they'll be dead before it matters.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Teenagers and 20 somethings.

There is a larger % of them who grew up not knowing the meaning of doing without or scrimping and saving.

that's only because money was inflated by previous generation to the point it's next to worthless by the time we got any of it.

I kinda meant how most kids in their 20's and under do not know what it is like to eat pasta three days a week and eggplant another two. To be told to put on another sweater or a pair of gloves when the house was cold. They don't know what it is like to grow up without computers, cell phones, cars older than 10 years, cheap sneakers and hand me down clothes.

not all... but a very large % of kids of these ages see things that we considered only rich ppl to have as an entitlement and the norm, instead of being lucky to have them.

The irony is all that stuff you talk about as being luxuries grow the economy. If everyone ate and used junk or old stuff, there would be no money flow/velocity and the economy would shrink. It feeds itself in both directions.

I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. It was just my view.

My daughter grew up with all the things in life that were pure luxuries when I was a kid.

New, name brand clothes, a cell phone, a 27in color teevee and nice stereo in her room, travel all over europe and the usa, her own computer, money in her pocket all the time, great colleges.

In my day it was unheard of. Today, kids see it as the norm. Almost an entitlement.

 

[FlashG]

Wait, your saying entitlement is a bad thing? What should replace it? As far as i'm concerned its a quest toward some kind of goal. Isn't that better than apathy and despair?

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: FlashG
Wait, your saying entitlement is a bad thing? What should replace it? As far as i'm concerned its a quest toward some kind of goal. Isn't that better than apathy and despair?

I took it as things that ppl felt they were owed without having to work/pay for.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: FlashG
Wait, your saying entitlement is a bad thing? What should replace it? As far as i'm concerned its a quest toward some kind of goal. Isn't that better than apathy and despair?

There's a very large and distinct difference between wanting and expecting.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: FlashG
Wait, your saying entitlement is a bad thing? What should replace it? As far as i'm concerned its a quest toward some kind of goal. Isn't that better than apathy and despair?

I took it as things that ppl felt they were owed without having to work/pay for.

So the discussion revolves around the ability of the serving/providing authority to say yes or no. And it appears that they tend to chose to say yes to the wrong kinds of people. The effect is that they are virtually stealing from the providers of the wealth they are responsible for.

 

[Mill]

Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

 

[TheNinja]

Democrats

 

[dartworth]

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