America and it's entitlement problem

[FlashG]

The way I look at is that when you have wealth or property you also have someone else that wants that wealth for themselves. So in order to retain wealth you have to provide methods to protect it from those that don?t rightfully deserve it.

In this case the governing agency appears to be misappropriating public funds in order to appease certain groups that are attempting to improperly access these funds. I personally don?t feel that this is the case. But it might appear to be if you are a member of a group that has a dishonest agenda of its own.

Or you just want a convenient excuse to blame someone else that you personally dislike.

 

[SampSon]

The oldest generation always thinks the youngest generation has a stronger sense of entitlement than they do.
The youngest generation, that is old enough for cognitive thought, thinks the same thing of the oldest generation.

Realistically, it's the French.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: SampSon
The oldest generation always thinks the youngest generation has a stronger sense of entitlement than they do.
The youngest generation, that is old enough for cognitive thought, thinks the same thing of the oldest generation.

Realistically, it's the French.

Chuckle, (tongue in cheek) your definitely right.

 

[TraumaRN]

21 years old....parents pay for my college which was settled when i was in middle school, as long as I had a GPA above a 3.5 in high school and had at least half of the bill covered with grants/scholarship they would get the rest. Fine by me I went out and did that. I pay for my own car, own car insurance, own cell phone etc. I'll make roughly 25K this year before taxes(working one job) and I goto college full time and will graduate a semester early.

Do I feel a sense of entitlement? Perhaps a little, or at the least a pat on the back for working hard. I feel like I've earned my way on my own with most things in life...sometimes I can act a little spoiled but I think thats just normal.

However I do feel that many in my generation DO feel a great sense of entitlement, that they should have the world handed to them, best wages, best jobs, best of everything....no idea of earning their way.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: FlashG
Wait, your saying entitlement is a bad thing? What should replace it? As far as i'm concerned its a quest toward some kind of goal. Isn't that better than apathy and despair?

There's a very large and distinct difference between wanting and expecting.

Such fine-grained distinctions you make.

 

[Syringer]

On the other side of the coin, asians have the least level of entitlements. A great number of them came to the US with nothing, and asked for nothing. They simply worked with what they had, and moved through the different levels of class..and now programs such as affirmative action work against them for being over-achieving.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Syringer
On the other side of the coin, asians have the least level of entitlements. A great number of them came to the US with nothing, and asked for nothing. They simply worked with what they had, and moved through the different levels of class..and now programs such as affirmative action work against them for being over-achieving.

But then one could argue... they believe that they are entitled to monetary success for hard work. Just playing a sophist here, but wanted to bring it up.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Syringer
On the other side of the coin, asians have the least level of entitlements. A great number of them came to the US with nothing, and asked for nothing. They simply worked with what they had, and moved through the different levels of class..and now programs such as affirmative action work against them for being over-achieving.

really ? Asians built their own schools, roads, sewer and water systems, when they came here ?

And created their own currency, their own FDIC, their own Federal Reserve, provided their own national defense, police, court system, Constitution, etc. ?

Lots of ethnic/racial groups have been ripped off in the history of the world, including Asians, but in the USA, no groups have been ripped off anywhere close to what happened to Native Americans, and blacks, over the past 350 years. A little Affirmative Action to make up for that, and the legacy of inequality that still persists in their opportunities, is justified.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Syringer
On the other side of the coin, asians have the least level of entitlements. A great number of them came to the US with nothing, and asked for nothing. They simply worked with what they had, and moved through the different levels of class..and now programs such as affirmative action work against them for being over-achieving.

really ? Asians built their own schools, roads, sewer and water systems, when they came here ?

And created their own currency, their own FDIC, their own Federal Reserve, provided their own national defense, police, court system, Constitution, etc. ?

Lots of ethnic/racial groups have been ripped off in the history of the world, including Asians, but in the USA, no groups have been ripped off anywhere close to what happened to Native Americans, and blacks, over the past 350 years. A little Affirmative Action to make up for that, and the legacy of inequality that still persists in their opportunities, is justified.

WINNAR

 

[her209]

The Church....

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Syringer
On the other side of the coin, asians have the least level of entitlements. A great number of them came to the US with nothing, and asked for nothing. They simply worked with what they had, and moved through the different levels of class..and now programs such as affirmative action work against them for being over-achieving.

really ? Asians built their own schools, roads, sewer and water systems, when they came here ?

And created their own currency, their own FDIC, their own Federal Reserve, provided their own national defense, police, court system, Constitution, etc. ?

Lots of ethnic/racial groups have been ripped off in the history of the world, including Asians, but in the USA, no groups have been ripped off anywhere close to what happened to Native Americans, and blacks, over the past 350 years. A little Affirmative Action to make up for that, and the legacy of inequality that still persists in their opportunities, is justified.

WINNAR

Seriously. If Asians didn't want to take advantage of what this country has to offer, they'd stay in Asia.

 

[Vortex22]

The class with the biggest sense of entitlement is <class that I am not a part of>.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

LOL. Seriously, I just laughed at the inanity of your argument.

This is apparently how your thinking works: "I want to be entitled to these things, so I'm going to ensure my access to those entitlements by passing them into law. Now I deserve them!"

You're a socialist's dream voter, dude.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

LOL. Seriously, I just laughed at the inanity of your argument.

This is apparently how your thinking works: "I want to be entitled to these things, so I'm going to ensure my access to those entitlements by passing them into law. Now I deserve them!"

You're a socialist's dream voter, dude.

?

THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it. People have a portion of their payroll income put into SS, thus making it only for Americans who work a certain amount of years. Much more than that, but it is a social insurance for working Americans.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

LOL. Seriously, I just laughed at the inanity of your argument.

This is apparently how your thinking works: "I want to be entitled to these things, so I'm going to ensure my access to those entitlements by passing them into law. Now I deserve them!"

You're a socialist's dream voter, dude.

?

THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it.

REALLY THEY PAID INTO IT? I FIGURED THEY WROTE IT INTO LAW AND PROMPTLY FORGOT ABOUT IT. SILLY ME.

You don't get that half these things should never have become law to begin with? That their very existence is proof of socialism rearing its excessively large head? Does the fact that each of "the systems" you mentioned are practically failures mean anything to you?

 

[Tiamat]

teenagers and those about the kick the bucket.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Brackis
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THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it. People have a portion of their payroll income put into SS, thus making it only for Americans who work a certain amount of years. Much more than that, but it is a social insurance for working Americans.

the way social security is set up most people draw more than they ever paid into it.

on the flip side, if you look at the opportunity cost of social security, damn near everyone has gotten fscked on the deal.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

LOL. Seriously, I just laughed at the inanity of your argument.

This is apparently how your thinking works: "I want to be entitled to these things, so I'm going to ensure my access to those entitlements by passing them into law. Now I deserve them!"

You're a socialist's dream voter, dude.

?

THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it.

REALLY THEY PAID INTO IT? I FIGURED THEY WROTE IT INTO LAW AND PROMPTLY FORGOT ABOUT IT. SILLY ME.

You don't get that half these things should never have become law to begin with? That their very existence is proof of socialism rearing its excessively large head? Does the fact that each of "the systems" you mentioned are practically failures mean anything to you?

Practically failures? Show me how they have failed. Go ahead.
The only failures are not from the policy, but its manipulation by administrations to use its funds for other uses while cutting benefits and raising payroll taxes (Reagan in 83 for military and to cut the income tax)

You mean how the operating cost is under 2% of revenue generated? Show me a private insurance conmpany that does that, oh wait, on average they operate at 15%.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Brackis
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THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it. People have a portion of their payroll income put into SS, thus making it only for Americans who work a certain amount of years. Much more than that, but it is a social insurance for working Americans.

the way social security is set up most people draw more than they ever paid into it.

on the flip side, if you look at the opportunity cost of social security, damn near everyone has gotten fscked on the deal.

No, exactly the opposite. The idea is to prevent people from getting fscked and having to live on the street when they are 70. The goal isn't to make everyone wealthy, but to provide a security net.
Adjustments will need to be made, but the general principle has survived 70 years, which is a hell of a lot longer than any other social policy has.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the way social security is set up most people draw more than they ever paid into it.

on the flip side, if you look at the opportunity cost of social security, damn near everyone has gotten fscked on the deal.

No, exactly the opposite. The idea is to prevent people from getting fscked and having to live on the street when they are 70. The goal isn't to make everyone wealthy, but to provide a security net.
Adjustments will need to be made, but the general principle has survived 70 years, which is a hell of a lot longer than any other social policy has.

exactly the opposite? opposite of what? nothing you posted supported the claim that social security is exactly the opposite.

as for adjustments, the only adjustment that needs made, and the only adjustment worth making, is scrapping the current system and moving to a fully funded system. instead of insurance it would be a savings account.

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the way social security is set up most people draw more than they ever paid into it.

on the flip side, if you look at the opportunity cost of social security, damn near everyone has gotten fscked on the deal.

No, exactly the opposite. The idea is to prevent people from getting fscked and having to live on the street when they are 70. The goal isn't to make everyone wealthy, but to provide a security net.
Adjustments will need to be made, but the general principle has survived 70 years, which is a hell of a lot longer than any other social policy has.

exactly the opposite? opposite of what? nothing you posted supported the claim that social security is exactly the opposite.

as for adjustments, the only adjustment that needs made, and the only adjustment worth making, is scrapping the current system and moving to a fully funded system. instead of insurance it would be a savings account.

Exact opposite of "everyone gets fscked".

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Mill
Without a doubt it is Seniors and Baby Boomers.

Absolutely. Of course, they see themselves as these mythic tragic figures who deserve all they've gotten and continue to expect to get. Unfortunately they've also since passed that thinking on to much of the younger gen too.

They deserve to be the most entitled and in fact are entitled to the most benefits under the law, with medicare, medicaid, SS etc...
When they were working, however, they were paying into the system and now are getting those benefits back. Thats how social insurance works!

LOL. Seriously, I just laughed at the inanity of your argument.

This is apparently how your thinking works: "I want to be entitled to these things, so I'm going to ensure my access to those entitlements by passing them into law. Now I deserve them!"

You're a socialist's dream voter, dude.

?

THESE PEOPLE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM....DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS? go read about it.

REALLY THEY PAID INTO IT? I FIGURED THEY WROTE IT INTO LAW AND PROMPTLY FORGOT ABOUT IT. SILLY ME.

You don't get that half these things should never have become law to begin with? That their very existence is proof of socialism rearing its excessively large head? Does the fact that each of "the systems" you mentioned are practically failures mean anything to you?

What a snively little bitch you are. I pay into the system for those who are collecting SS now and I don't mind. Hopefully there will be some for me but if there isn't oh well, we elected the fscks who'll screw us out of it so I guess we'll have to deal with it plus we should be prepared just in case it doesn't pan out for us. That said as long as it's solvent I want those who should get it io receive it even if I might not, it beats having them suffer.

You guys "Wah!!! I don't want to pay because I might not get any of it myself"

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Brackis
Exact opposite of "everyone gets fscked".

in terms of opportunity cost pretty much everyone gets fscked. take all the money the average person pays into SS during their life, put it into a portfolio diversified to maximize the risk averseness, and they'd come out ahead. way ahead. hell, sticking it into FDIC insured CDs and savings accounts they come out way ahead.

compound interest > social security