AMD's GPU Q3 2012 marketshare - 14% declines across the board to NVIDIA

[dust]

Lol @ people breaking out the champagne for this!

 

[3DVagabond]

Didn't AMD give us 15% for $550?

I don't think AMD is really helping any.

I assume you are talking the improvement over nVidia's flagship card. It was 15% more performance for $50 less cost as the 3gig 580 was $600. Same as now where we have lower performance and higher prices from nVidia.

Of course neither of those examples have anything at all to do with my point. The point was without competition we have higher prices and less improvement. Just like when there was no competition for the 7970. You're just too fixated on Red vs. Green. My point wasn't to that at all. Slow the spin down and you might get something besides confrontation out of everything that's posted that doesn't seem to be pro nVidia.

 

[Keysplayr]

From the links you posted:



The Marketwatch link you posted is from 2009. You didn't read a single word of those links did you.

What are you looking for then? I suppose you think there isn't any chance of AMD going bankrupt then. You're acting like none of this is happening. 5 stages of denial and all that? Fine.

 

[Keysplayr]

Lol @ people breaking out the champagne for this!

The champagne isn't for the actual demise of AMD. It's for a whole different reason which has to do with the result of the demise of AMD. There is one reason and one reason only that I would want AMD to go the way of the dodo.

 

[Olikan]

The champagne isn't for the actual demise of AMD. It's for a whole different reason which has to do with the result of the demise of AMD. There is one reason and one reason only that I would want AMD to go the way of the dodo.

...fanboys?

 

[Keysplayr]

...fanboys?

What about them?

 

[Olikan]

What about them?

i thought that them, were the reason 😛

 

[NIGELG]

The champagne isn't for the actual demise of AMD. It's for a whole different reason which has to do with the result of the demise of AMD. There is one reason and one reason only that I would want AMD to go the way of the dodo.

Do you care to enlighten us as to the reason??

The death of a company and the loss of thousands of jobs is not a valid reason to want a company to die because you hate it's fanboys and alleged shills and zealots.....or because you want to laugh at the perceived misery of the company's fans and supporters

I hope your one and only one reason justifies putting a lot of people on the breadline if the company really goes down

Waiting for your ''cry me a river'' type response or to be attacked/quoted on your favourite Anandtech bashing forum.

 

[Firestorm007]

The champagne isn't for the actual demise of AMD. It's for a whole different reason which has to do with the result of the demise of AMD. There is one reason and one reason only that I would want AMD to go the way of the dodo.

Wow! That's a new one. Hey, at least your being honest. So, the death of a company and thousands of people losing their jobs is why you've got your pom poms out. I knew it was transparent why you were here gloating, but to want a company to die because you want revenge on your competitors, is twisted. Real classy.

 

[pmv]

I assume you are talking the improvement over nVidia's flagship card. It was 15% more performance for $50 less cost as the 3gig 580 was $600. Same as now where we have lower performance and higher prices from nVidia.

Of course neither of those examples have anything at all to do with my point. The point was without competition we have higher prices and less improvement. Just like when there was no competition for the 7970. You're just too fixated on Red vs. Green. My point wasn't to that at all. Slow the spin down and you might get something besides confrontation out of everything that's posted that doesn't seem to be pro nVidia.

Have to say I'm bemused why some seem almost _happy_ at the possibility of reduced competition.

I don't have any sentimentality about any corporation, they are all just arbitrary collections of letters and a logo in search of profits as far as I'm concerned.

But a major player disappearing means less competition and hence less value for consumers.

The only reason to be glad is if you own really substantial quantities of shares in one of the surviving corps. Even if you work for them, unless you are at the very top, the loss of a possible alternative employer isn't a good thing, as it hardly improves the balance of power in the employees' favor.

 

[boxleitnerb]

What one should always take into consideration:

Less competition -> more expensive GPUs -> less buyers/less frequent buyers -> less revenue/profit.

This is true especially since graphics cards are luxury items. We absolutely need gas or power, but computer parts...? The customer holds the power. He/she just doesn't buy (so often) if these things get more expensive.

 

[SirPauly]

Ideally, desire more competition and players!

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

AMD brought nothing but higher price points this gen. Nvidia didn't even have to bring big Kepler since AMD shat the bed with the 79XX series. This competition you all speak of was higher price points and diminishing returns on a full node drop.
We probably would have been better off had the 7900 series never been released.

 

[raghu78]

What one should always take into consideration:

Less competition -> more expensive GPUs -> less buyers/less frequent buyers -> less revenue/profit.

This is true especially since graphics cards are luxury items. We absolutely need gas or power, but computer parts...? The customer holds the power. He/she just doesn't buy (so often) if these things get more expensive.

You cannot call a GPU a luxury item. GPUs are used to play games. games are entertainment. if entertainment is luxury then movies, books, music and anything which entertains is luxury.

 

[boxleitnerb]

You cannot call a GPU a luxury item. GPUs are used to play games. games are entertainment. if entertainment is luxury then movies, books, music and anything which entertains is luxury.

Yes, all these things are luxury. If something non-essential becomes (much) more expensive, logic dictates to consume/buy less. If games were to cost 50% more, I would certainly change my buying habits instead of spending 50% more on them. Same with computer hardware. And that WILL hurt IHVs. They can raise prices, but at some point the consumer will fight back with their wallets.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You cannot call a GPU a luxury item. GPUs are used to play games. games are entertainment. if entertainment is luxury then movies, books, music and anything which entertains is luxury.

Yes you absolutely can. Especially when 99% of us upgraded from GPU's that were already capable of decent gaming.

Say Nvidia is the only game in town. They release the 780 for $650. Do you really believe they'll generate enough sales to profit when Joe blow already is running a capable 660,670, or 680?
They have to offer incentive for me to upgrade. Check AMD's price gouge strategy. Didn't work out to well as they released the 7900 series several months before Nvidia and still lost the market.

 

[96Firebird]

You cannot call a GPU a luxury item. GPUs are used to play games. games are entertainment. if entertainment is luxury then movies, books, music and anything which entertains is luxury.

😵

Those can all be luxury items...

 

[raghu78]

AMD brought nothing but higher price points this gen. Nvidia didn't even have to bring big Kepler since AMD shat the bed with the 79XX series. This competition you all speak of was higher price points and diminishing returns on a full node drop. We probably would have been better off had the 7900 series never been released.

what kind of crap is this. the HD 7970 Ghz with the latest drivers is 70 - 80% faster than its predecessor - HD 6970. in the demanding DX11 games like BF3, Crysis 2, Sleeping Dogs, Metro 2033 its 2x or more faster.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/8.html

Also HD 7970 Ghz is 10 - 15% faster than GTX 680.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_driver_comparison_roundup/3

So you would have been happy with the HD 6970 ? thats rubbish. Prices are higher on AMD this gen because Nvidia does not have the single GPU crown as they did from 8800 GTX to GTX 580. If Nvidia's GK110 based GTX 780 takes the crown unquestionably then you can expect AMD to price their GPUs accordingly wrt competition. AMD knows to be competitive on price perf.

 

[raghu78]

😵

Those can all be luxury items...

logically speaking everything other than air,water,food and some form of shelter is a luxury. but we aren't in the stone age. 😎

 

[96Firebird]

logically speaking everything other than air,water,food and some form of shelter is a luxury. but we aren't in the stone age. 😎

Exactly. Maybe we should go back to the basics and stop giving so many handouts. It seems people forgot what a true luxury is.

 

[raghu78]

Yes you absolutely can. Especially when 99% of us upgraded from GPU's that were already capable of decent gaming.

Say Nvidia is the only game in town. They release the 780 for $650. Do you really believe they'll generate enough sales to profit when Joe blow already is running a capable 660,670, or 680?

They have to offer incentive for me to upgrade. Check AMD's price gouge strategy. Didn't work out to well as they released the 7900 series several months before Nvidia and still lost the market.

the > $300 market is generally enthusiast. There are quite a few who love to be on the cutting edge of technology and they will buy whatever is the latest and fastest. Nvidia sold 8800 GTX Ultra for an obscene 850 bucks. and how much faster than the 8800 GTX was it. Do you think nobody bought that card. definitely lots of enthusiasts did and Nvidia raked in the money.

 

[Jaydip]

what kind of crap is this. the HD 7970 Ghz with the latest drivers is 70 - 80% faster than its predecessor - HD 6970. in the demanding DX11 games like BF3, Crysis 2, Sleeping Dogs, Metro 2033 its 2x or more faster.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_7970_X_Turbo/8.html

Also HD 7970 Ghz is 10 - 15% faster than GTX 680.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/12/fall_2012_gpu_driver_comparison_roundup/3

So you would have been happy with the HD 6970 ? thats rubbish. Prices are higher on AMD this gen because Nvidia does not have the single GPU crown as they did from 8800 GTX to GTX 580. If Nvidia's GK110 based GTX 780 takes the crown unquestionably then you can expect AMD to price their GPUs accordingly wrt competition. AMD knows to be competitive on price perf.

Some glaring omissions, 7970 didn't launch with 12.11 drivers,that [H] review didn't use the latest NV drivers.RS always says that people don't buy AMD cards even if they offer better price/performance so how many people actually spent $549 on 7970?680 was faster and cost $50 less, it was a master stroke.If we have to wait for special drivers to breath life to old products that isn't a sound strategy because that is a never ending scenario.

 

[Rvenger]

The champagne isn't for the actual demise of AMD. It's for a whole different reason which has to do with the result of the demise of AMD. There is one reason and one reason only that I would want AMD to go the way of the dodo.

As a result of AMD's demise, the market will slow to the point where there will be no reason to upgrade thus meaning no more MSI, Gigabyte, Asrock, Biostar, Asus etc. All of these companies depend on tech evolution and without evolution, there is no point in the enthusiast market. I believe the end of AMD will start the end of the enthusiast market. Congrats Keys.

 

[boxleitnerb]

the > $300 market is generally enthusiast. There are quite a few who love to be on the cutting edge of technology and they will buy whatever is the latest and fastest. Nvidia sold 8800 GTX Ultra for an obscene 850 bucks. and how much faster than the 8800 GTX was it. Do you think nobody bought that card. definitely lots of enthusiasts did and Nvidia raked in the money.

True that. But how many people were affected by that price jump? 0.1%, 0.05%? Either way, not really a problem. Now if the "normal" highend part like the GTX780 were to be priced at $649 like the GTX280, that would affect more people. Question is - would it affect peoples buying habits? I bet it would.

 

[Rvenger]

Some glaring omissions, 7970 didn't launch with 12.11 drivers,that [H] review didn't use the latest NV drivers.RS always says that people don't buy AMD cards even if they offer better price/performance so how many people actually spent $549 on 7970?680 was faster and cost $50 less, it was a master stroke.If we have to wait for special drivers to breath life to old products that isn't a sound strategy because that is a never ending scenario.

Again - new architecture. The same thing happened to GF100. Nvidia 6XX/AMD 7XXX are not old LOL

I don't see the HD89xx and GTX7xx series anywhere.