AMD to Launch GPU Codenamed Hawaii in Hawaii Sept 25

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Kenmitch

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Besides that, this is exciting news. The GPU division of AMD is extremely good at running a tight ship. That is only 6-7 weeks away, which means working cards have been in the hands of more than a few people for a while now. No leaks!

Maybe it's the reason why the 13.8 beta drivers were delayed? Guess it's possible they got working silicone sooner than they thought they would. Would make sense to tweak the driver for future compatibility at the same time. It would explain the longer than expected delay in the driver release at least.

Price cut on the 7990's make a person wonder about the performance of what's to come. Maybe it's just to get some attention? Clearing out inventory? Possibly what's coming makes it look like a bad buy? Restructuring the price tier? Guess time will tell.
 

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We don't know that yet. Bulldozer was supposed to blow an i7 out of the water and have improved IPC, confirmed by an AMD rep, and we all know how that turned out.

Never forget that this is AMD we are talking about. They are in "spin" mode right now as they have nothing to compete with nVidia at the high end and they will say anything that they can to defer people from buying a GTX 780 or a Titan.

No, we don't know that yet.
But I'd say that Bulldozer blowing i7 out of the water is a much harder task to imagine in the beginning than deferring people from buying a GTX 780 or a Titan.

It doesn't take much convincing to see that AMD's next card will have close to Titan performance. In terms of pricing it's harder to tell if it will actually be worth it as a whole, but it still wouldn't be that hard to imagine that it would be more worth it than the Titan/GTX 780.


Price cut on the 7990's make a person wonder about the performance of what's to come. Maybe it's just to get some attention? Clearing out inventory? Possibly what's coming makes it look like a bad buy? Restructuring the price tier? Guess time will tell.

The price cuts for the 7xxx series seem point to an actual replacement of the highest-end GPU's, and not just adding onto the scale by making new price points, etc.

$200-$300 7950
$300-$400 7970
$400-$600? 9970
$650-750 7990

instead of
$300-$400 7950
$400-$500 7970
$1000 7990
$800 9970 if there were no price drops
 
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Here.

Price cut on the 7990's make a person wonder about the performance of what's to come. Maybe it's just to get some attention? Clearing out inventory? Possibly what's coming makes it look like a bad buy? Restructuring the price tier? Guess time will tell.

Clear out $600+ inventory so they can charge that much for their new card. If the 7990 is still around when the new card hits the shelves, people will question why they shouldn't just spend more for the faster 7990.

I love my outlook on this. :cool:
 
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SickBeast

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LOL you are linking RussianSensation to *all* of his posts to somehow prove a point? Hahaha. RS I feel bad for you. :)
 

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With such a gap (1.5 years), I hope the wait would be worth it and we see significant performance increase ..
 

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Telling someone "you can't use price when I'm just discussing performance" is like me telling you 'why didn't you buy a GTX 690 when all you wanted was performance." It doesn't work. We all have exemptions.

He was sitting on GTX580 until Titan arrived. If he could easily afford the fastest single GPU card at any price he would have bought 7970 on launch date, then 2.5 months later GTX680 Lightning, then Titan. Instead he skipped all those cards. Someone who always buys the fastest card would not be gaming on a GTX580 since its release until the Titan came out.
 

railven

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Hm, so you are trolling, right? I think it's funny that we need to discuss the drawbacks of mGPU systems again. But then i guess you are not playing games and only use benchmarks.
Hm, who is the guy now which buy graphic cards for prestige?

How am I trolling you? Considering I don't have any benchmark tools installed, I don't think I've ever posted in the benchmarking threads, and I don't really discuss the benchmarking subjects - how do you draw your conclusions? Unless, you're trolling me?

I believe my comment about prestige went over your head if you're trying to use it against me. But sure, in my circle of friends I'm the only mGPU user - damn right it's prestige :awe:

What? So now i need to life with all the problems which i got for going AFR because it gives me "the same performance"? But when i bought the fastest sGPU card i did it because of "Bias" and "prestige"?!
Your postings make no sense.

These are "things I don't want" which support your "why I bought a GTX Titan." You didn't just buy a Titan for "performance." But you continue to prove my point, so thank you. :)

So, how good is you performance when there is no AFR profile? Or you have glitches? Or microstuttering?

My performance is awesome. I get to add SSAA to games I normally couldn't and since I jumped to 1440p the extra card is really showing it's muscle. I do wish they'd fix the issue with WoW, but after discussing it with a few people and experiencing it on single HD 7970/GTX 680 - I don't think it is a hardware related issue. Thanks for asking.
 

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He was sitting on GTX580 until Titan arrived. If he could easily afford the fastest single GPU card at any price he would have bought 7970 on launch date, then 2.5 months later GTX680 Lightning, then Titan. Instead he skipped all those cards. Someone who always buys the fastest card would not be gaming on a GTX580 since its release until the Titan came out.

a GTX 580 launched for USD 500 in Nov 2010. a Titan launched in late Feb 2013 for USD 1000. close to double perf and double price. thats the first time ever in the GPU industry perf / $ did not move after 2 years and 3 months. A person who made a GTX 580 to Titan jump is neither an enthusiast nor a person who values money. Enthusiasts don't care about money and want the latest hardware, often keeping hardware for 12 months and upgrading to the latest and fastest stuff. I can understand GTX 580 to GTX 680 to Titan but GTX 580 to Titan not at all :whiste:

If Hawaii launches even at USD 600 and provides 35% more performance than HD 7970 Ghz it would be admirable. It would make Nvidia respond by cutting prices or releasing newer and faster products which is what everyone wants - performance progress over time at same $.
 
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a GTX 580 launched for USD 500 in Nov 2010. a Titan launched in late Feb 2013 for USD 1000. close to double perf and double price. thats the first time ever in the GPU industry perf / $ did not move after 2 years and 3 months. A person who made a GTX 580 to Titan jump is neither an enthusiast nore a person who values money. Enthusiasts don't care about money and want the latest hardware, often keeping hardware for 12 months and upgrading to the latest and fastest stuff. I can understand GTX 580 to GTX 680 to Titan but GTX 580 to Titan not at all :whiste:

If Hawaii launches even at USD 600 and provides 35% more performance than HD 7970 Ghz it would be admirable. It would make Nvidia respond by cutting prices or releasing newer and faster products which is what everyone wants - performance progress over time at same $.

Just realize that this is opinion, as your concept of value cannot be applied to everyone.
 

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You seem to live in a world where price is irrelevant. Your post implied that your Titan is near supposed Hawaii's performance which is just a tad faster. Ya, so what? You seem to have forgotten the other side of the coin - price. I said what if it costs nearly half of your Titan? You seem to have a serious problem understanding that people consider it a major improvement in the GPU landscape if a certain level of performance becomes available for a substantially lower price. For instance GTX760 for $250 delivering 95% of the performance of a 670/7970 is good for the GPU market. There is no point in talking about performance without looking at the price unless you are made of $. Most people who are buying GPUs for next gen games aren't going to be spending $650+ on a GPU. If more PC gamers start buying faster and faster GPUs, game developers will have more incentive to invest into next generation engines and introduce more advanced graphical effects. This is the result of a given level of GPU performance becoming accessible at lower price levels. So in 2016 we would hope the Titan's level of performance could be had in a $299 14nm Volta card. This is the very foundation of the entire GPU industry - price/performance must improve over time.

Ok and if someone posted a score of 7000 points and then told you that HD9970 card costs $10,000, you'd care? Price/performance improvements is what drives the GPU market. Without it the GPU industry would be wiped out. If tomorrow AMD released a card 20% faster than the Titan but priced it at $1,500, almost no one would care. 99.5% of the market cares about the price for a given level of performance. Discussing performance without price makes no sense unless you get GPUs for free or are loaded. I bet 99.5% of this forum would rather take a $549 card with Titan's performance than a card that costs $1000+ and is faster than the Titan.

You're incapable of sticking to a strictly technical discussion/point of view. Got it.
There are people who in between their buying cycles just like to follow the tech talk and aspects of GPUs and are interested in the progression of technology and performance in general as a hobby. I'm one of them. Maybe this is a concept that you just cannot understand. What a sad place this must be where this is not allowed, understood or respected. I don't feel compelled to frantically look at the value side of any GPU each time I post - it's as simple as that.

He was sitting on GTX580 until Titan arrived. If he could easily afford the fastest single GPU card at any price he would have bought 7970 on launch date, then 2.5 months later GTX680 Lightning, then Titan. Instead he skipped all those cards. Someone who always buys the fastest card would not be gaming on a GTX580 since its release until the Titan came out.

What an honor, this thread is about me all of a sudden. Wait...looking at the thread title...it isn't.
And btw, get your facts straight. I had two 580s 3GB in SLI. Since I would never touch CF, the 7970s were no option. The 680s were not enough oomph and when Titan launched, I got sick of waiting and just got two, slapped two water coolers onto them and called it a day. So it was an impulsive decision and I knew full well, that the value of my purchase was poor. But that's none of your damn business and certainly not the topic of this thread.
 
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And btw, get your facts straight. I had two 580s 3GB in SLI. Since I would never touch CF, the 7970s were no option. The 680s were not enough oomph and when Titan launched, I got sick of waiting and just got two, slapped two water coolers onto them and called it a day. So it was an impulsive decision and I knew full well, that the value of my purchase was poor. But that's none of your damn business and certainly not the topic of this thread.

I think RS was referring to Sontin.
 

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What an honor, this thread is about me all of a sudden. Wait...looking at the thread title...it isn't.
And btw, get your facts straight. I had two 580s 3GB in SLI. Since I would never touch CF, the 7970s were no option. The 680s were not enough oomph and when Titan launched, I got sick of waiting and just got two, slapped two water coolers onto them and called it a day. So it was an impulsive decision and I knew full well, that the value of my purchase was poor. But that's none of your damn business and certainly not the topic of this thread.

Lol this is funny
Yeah... everyone has their opinions. People should stop trying to justify or unjustify people's purchases. Hell, there was even some guy who wanted to buy the FX 9590 just for kicks.
It's when people want to show other people why their purchase is justified when things get annoying. So someone owns a Titan. Well, whatever.


In terms of the 9970, I'm really trying to decide whether or not to wait for it, or get an ASUS Radeon HD 7970 DirectCU II for $347 after taxes and rebate and free shipping.

Any thoughts? I currently run two 1280*1024 monitors and a single 1920*1080 one in the middle and two 5870's. I'm not sure if the 7970's prices would drop really fast after the 9970 gets released or if the 9970 will be worth it price/performance-wise right after release. Another worry would be if the 7970 can't max out games at that resolution.
 
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Lol this is funny
Yeah... everyone has their opinions. People should stop trying to justify or unjustify people's purchases. Hell, there was even some guy who wanted to buy the FX 9590 just for kicks.
It's when people want to show other people why their purchase is justified when things get annoying. So someone owns a Titan. Well, whatever.


In terms of the 9970, I'm really trying to decide whether or not to wait for it, or get an ASUS Radeon HD 7970 DirectCU II for $347 after taxes and rebate and free shipping.

Any thoughts?

I'd wait. Sept 23/25 is a stone skip away. Who knows, once more info is released the card you are looking at now might get a nicer discount OR sky rocket because performance gains aren't as expected ():)

Personally I set a date for my upgrade options and then kick myself in the ass for not waiting a week or two haha.
 

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I'd wait. Sept 23/25 is a stone skip away. Who knows, once more info is released the card you are looking at now might get a nicer discount OR sky rocket because performance gains aren't as expected ():)

Personally I set a date for my upgrade options and then kick myself in the ass for not waiting a week or two haha.

Do GPUs usually get released right after they are revealed, or do we have to wait like 3 more months? I don't know how the timing goes for that

Do they usually show the pricing on the reveal date?
 

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Lol this is funny
Yeah... everyone has their opinions. People should stop trying to justify or unjustify people's purchases. Hell, there was even some guy who wanted to buy the FX 9590 just for kicks.
It's when people want to show other people why their purchase is justified when things get annoying. So someone owns a Titan. Well, whatever.


In terms of the 9970, I'm really trying to decide whether or not to wait for it, or get an ASUS Radeon HD 7970 DirectCU II for $347 after taxes and rebate and free shipping.

Any thoughts? I currently run two 1280*1024 monitors and a single 1920*1080 one in the middle and two 5870's. I'm not sure if the 7970's prices would drop really fast after the 9970 gets released or if the 9970 will be worth it price/performance-wise right after release. Another worry would be if the 7970 can't max out games at that resolution.

AMD is clearing HD 7900 stock to make way for HD 9900 series launch. there are some crazy prices on HD 7950 and HD 7970

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161429

the HIS HD 7950 iceq x2 boost is one of the best HD 7950 cards. for USD 245 its a killer deal. reference HD 7970 PCB. unlocked voltage and good cooler.

average overclocks are 1150 mhz. HD 7950(1125 Mhz) = HD 7950(1050 Mhz). with a single HD 7950 OC you can max any game at 1080p and stay above 40 fps.
 

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AMD is clearing HD 7900 stock to make way for HD 9900 series launch. there are some crazy prices on HD 7950 and HD 7970

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161429

the HIS HD 7950 iceq x2 boost is one of the best HD 7950 cards. for USD 245 its a killer deal. reference HD 7970 PCB. unlocked voltage and good cooler.

average overclocks are 1150 mhz. HD 7950(1125 Mhz) = HD 7950(1050 Mhz). with a single HD 7950 OC you can max any game at 1080p and stay above 40 fps.

I think I would probably get the top end single card. I need to save a spot for my Quadro FX 4600 for PhysX, so I was looking at the highest end single card (excluding GTX 780 and Titan). That was why I was considering the giant 3-sot DirectCU II 7970.
If the 9970 launches and it's not worth the price/performance, I'd probably get the 7970, hopefully with a good aftermarket cooler for around $300. If it's worth the price (OC Titan-like performance for $500), I'd gladly spend it on that with a great aftermarket cooler like the DirectCU II.
 

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Do GPUs usually get released right after they are revealed, or do we have to wait like 3 more months? I don't know how the timing goes for that

Do they usually show the pricing on the reveal date?
I would bet that this will be a soft launch. You're looking at at least 2 months from now until cards are available. This is a PR move from AMD.
 

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Lots of butthurt here today. It's sad people can't be excited for what looks to be a nice product for the gpu market, instead we have the same 2 or 3 nvidia tools crapping on whatever they can.

Mostly excited by the "9950" or if the "9870" will be better then a 7950. With 7950 prices hitting the magical 200ish mark it'll be time to make a decision soon, for a lot of people who are still looking for an upgrade.
 

SickBeast

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Lots of butthurt here today. It's sad people can't be excited for what looks to be a nice product for the gpu market, instead we have the same 2 or 3 nvidia tools crapping on whatever they can.

Mostly excited by the "9950" or if the "9870" will be better then a 7950. With 7950 prices hitting the magical 200ish mark it'll be time to make a decision soon, for a lot of people who are still looking for an upgrade.
You want us to be excited about AMD's PR? Do you not remember Bulldozer?
 

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You want us to be excited about AMD's PR? Do you not remember Bulldozer?

TBH I think it's not really AMD's PR that is making people excited, it's the conclusion people come up with after looking it at current market/technology conditions

I think we're hyping ourselves up more than AMD is hyping us
 

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You want us to be excited about AMD's PR? Do you not remember Bulldozer?

lol? No one [sane] is excited over AMD cpus, terrible analogy, But their GPUs have been pretty good for awhile. I'm glad to hear a solid date for their announcement and chiphell leaks are pretty solid for the most part.
 

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TBH I think it's not really AMD's PR that is making people excited, it's the conclusion people come up with after looking it at current market/technology conditions

I think we're hyping ourselves up more than AMD is hyping us

Have AMD said anything?

I think most of the hype is made from a few rumor-sites on the web.

I'm thinking that AMD is going to have trouble bringing anything out that will do a knockout of GK110, and I am thinking the fans are reading to much into rumors about performance. Unless they are able to do a crazy 20nm stunt that no one believes in.

What AMD is doing with prices on the 7xxx series shows that they are going to bring a better, and that is always welcome.
 
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