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aigomorla said:
not to mention one that runs 2x to 3x longer on battery and is half the thickness in most cases.



again, your not lugging around the egpu around everywhere, unless its to a hotel room.

eGPU setups are not messy, unless you have absolute dog pile bedding mess of wire management, and don't use a proper SFF modular power supply.

No, they will not get eclipsed. A Ultra Portable, is typically HALF the thickness of a Laptop dGPU because it does not require the larger heat sink. The Battery is also smaller, yet they run longer, because again, there is no extra stuff to power.

My brothers LG Gram for example weights less then 1KG.
Is so thin that they couldn't make it thinner because of the USB ports.
It also runs almost forever on battery unless your doing heavy lifting, but most importantly, if you have a Power Delivery 3 USB Battery pack, you can carry that around and literally have it run all day.
Something you can never do to a Gaming Laptop.

Again.. gaming laptops are the biggest pieces of cow manure you can possibly buy.
They don't excel at anything, while trying to do everything.

At least these handhelds got that right, they don't do everything, they just play games, but from what im seeing its all mostly in medium settings, with only a few being high settings on the non UE5/Unity/Advance Gaming engine games.

Again i can steam roll though most games on ultra settings with my eGPU 3090 unless i plug myself into a external 4k monitor.
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Dude, some people like laptops because they can carry them around and use them on the go. Crazy, I know. Some of the same people (like me, who already has a desktop with a 3090) occasionally require doing GPU heavy tasks on the go.

For us, we like a laptop with a dGPU (yes, one inside the laptop) or a powerful APU
 
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I've always been more partial to the "creator" type laptops. They've tended to not be as flashy as gaming laptops, and they typically don't push the power and thermals through the roof, but they can usually do almost anything reasonably well with plenty of ports to connect things. They certainly aren't thin and light though.
 
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poke01 said:

looks awesome. can't wait for medusa halo
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I'm pretty sure they can come with a form factor that's a bit bigger to accommodate a slim dGPU and make it fully upgradable with 35W rated desktop chips. And add a latch on top to attach a small screen so @aigomorla can have his cake and eat it too. Bring back MXM? Also a DC output as well.

The biggest issue for gaming laptops for me is for all the cost, you throw it away in a few years because nothing important is upgradeable. Desktops allow you to upgrade only the things you want.
 
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DavidC1 said:
you throw it away in a few years
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They just find a new home. No one throws away a really expensive laptop. I once almost bought a used expensive ASUS 4K laptop with dual Geforce 900 GPUs, 64GB RAM and Skylake CPU. Original price was $5000 but the seller was selling it for a little over $1000. Good thing that I didn't because few years later, someone was kind enough to sell me their HP Omen i7-10750H 1080p 300Hz display laptop with Geforce 3070 for ~$780.
 
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LightningZ71 said:
I've always been more partial to the "creator" type laptops. They've tended to not be as flashy as gaming laptops, and they typically don't push the power and thermals through the roof, but they can usually do almost anything reasonably well with plenty of ports to connect things. They certainly aren't thin and light though.
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I was actually shocked at the ASUS Tuf 14 gaming laptop I bought at the beginning of the year. It was reasonably thin, light weight (3.2lbs) and really powerful (AMD AI9 HX370 & 32GB w 4060). With the appropriate power profile it’s cool and quiet or a good gaming machine and it doesn’t look like a blinged out gaming laptop.
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Came with the Strix based AI9 HX370 CPU, 32GB of LPDDR5X 7500 and a 4060

The 370 12C/24T CPU out performs my old 16C/32T 2950x Threadripper quad channel DDR4 3200 desktop in single thread, multi thread, and bandwidth.

If I leave it in silent mode it’s stays quiet and pretty cool.

The 890m IGPU is powerful enough to run CAD, 3D modeling software and a lot of games without kicking in the 4060 which really helps battery life.

For gaming with the 4060 they allow the full 100w power profile if you select performance. Compared to my sons Dell XPS with 4060 mine is almost 50% faster maxed out.

The main issue now besides ASUS’s software/business practices is they aren’t selling this CPU with the new 50XX series anymore. The 2025 TUF 14 has the slower 350 CPU and the 16 goes for the intel 149XX.

They may have actually moved that CPU/GPU combo to their more expensive creator style laptops because it’s really good.
 
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Paratus said:
I was actually shocked at the ASUS Tuf 14 gaming laptop I bought at the beginning of the year. It was reasonably thin, light weight (3.2lbs) and really powerful (AMD AI9 HX370 & 32GB w 4060). With the appropriate power profile it’s cool and quiet or a good gaming machine and it doesn’t look like a blinged out gaming laptop.
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Came with the Strix based AI9 HX370 CPU, 32GB of LPDDR5X 7500 and a 4060

The 370 12C/24T CPU out performs my old 16C/32T 2950x Threadripper quad channel DDR4 3200 desktop in single thread, multi thread, and bandwidth.

If I leave it in silent mode it’s stays quiet and pretty cool.

The 890m IGPU is powerful enough to run CAD, 3D modeling software and a lot of games without kicking in the 4060 which really helps battery life.

For gaming with the 4060 they allow the full 100w power profile if you select performance. Compared to my sons Dell XPS with 4060 mine is almost 50% faster maxed out.

The main issue now besides ASUS’s software/business practices is they aren’t selling this CPU with the new 50XX series anymore. The 2025 TUF 14 has the slower 350 CPU and the 16 goes for the intel 149XX.

They may have actually moved that CPU/GPU combo to their more expensive creator style laptops because it’s really good.
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I have 16" Asus Vivobook X with ryzen 5900hx, 32GB DDR4, and some 4GB nVidia 3050 or 3060 (I disabled it from day one, there was not option without dgpu) and is more than enough powerful for same purpose.
If I could buy 12 core medusa halo with 64GB RAM in similar package for $ 2k in 3 years time, I would be golden.
 
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Chaotic42 said:
Anything shorter than a 6' bed in a pickup is a crime.
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LightningZ71 said:
I've always been more partial to the "creator" type laptops. They've tended to not be as flashy as gaming laptops, and they typically don't push the power and thermals through the roof, but they can usually do almost anything reasonably well with plenty of ports to connect things. They certainly aren't thin and light though.
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Paratus said:
I was actually shocked at the ASUS Tuf 14 gaming laptop I bought at the beginning of the year. It was reasonably thin, light weight (3.2lbs) and really powerful (AMD AI9 HX370 & 32GB w 4060). With the appropriate power profile it’s cool and quiet or a good gaming machine and it doesn’t look like a blinged out gaming laptop.
View attachment 128774

Came with the Strix based AI9 HX370 CPU, 32GB of LPDDR5X 7500 and a 4060

The 370 12C/24T CPU out performs my old 16C/32T 2950x Threadripper quad channel DDR4 3200 desktop in single thread, multi thread, and bandwidth.

If I leave it in silent mode it’s stays quiet and pretty cool.

The 890m IGPU is powerful enough to run CAD, 3D modeling software and a lot of games without kicking in the 4060 which really helps battery life.

For gaming with the 4060 they allow the full 100w power profile if you select performance. Compared to my sons Dell XPS with 4060 mine is almost 50% faster maxed out.

The main issue now besides ASUS’s software/business practices is they aren’t selling this CPU with the new 50XX series anymore. The 2025 TUF 14 has the slower 350 CPU and the 16 goes for the intel 149XX.

They may have actually moved that CPU/GPU combo to their more expensive creator style laptops because it’s really good.
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randomhero said:
I have 16" Asus Vivobook X with ryzen 5900hx, 32GB DDR4, and some 4GB nVidia 3050 or 3060 (I disabled it from day one, there was not option without dgpu) and is more than enough powerful for same purpose.
If I could buy 12 core medusa halo with 64GB RAM in similar package for $ 2k in 3 years time, I would be golden.
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www.techradar.com

I'm not kidding when I tell you the Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 is the only gaming laptop I'd buy – Nvidia's RTX 5070 Ti laptop GPU is a monster

Reasonable price tag too...
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Looks like they put it in the Asus Zephyrus G14.

AI 9 HX370 & 5070ti in 14in thin and light chassis w OLED. Of course it’s $2500 against the $1450 I paid.

$1000 is a pretty big delta for OLED and a the difference between a 4060 and 5070ti.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
They just find a new home. No one throws away a really expensive laptop.
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I'm not arguing about the e-waste part(even though it is better in that regard too). Recycling is mostly a scam, actually most of the "green" initiatives are, where the "first" world dumps it on third world countries to feel good about themselves.

I'm talking about the price to the user. I don't need to spend $2000 on a laptop and do it again in 4 years. And value dropping by 1/4 in 4 years is quite a waste. In a desktop I could precision spend. My desktop is a Pentium Gold G6400. I upgraded the RX 470 to GTX 1080. Which wouldn't be possible.
 
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marees said:
That is cool.

So this is literally the z3 extreme. 2027 xbox handheld APU
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Yes. Despite all the doom and gloom over iGPUs that's been spread around, the lineup didn't really change.

Phoenix2 -> Hawk Point 2 -> Krackan -> Medusa Point
Phoenix -> Hawk Point -> Strix Point -> Medusa Premium
_________________________Strix Halo -> Medusa Halo
 
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Its good Medusa Halos is still a thing. The rumors of quitting that avenue after one shot were making me doubt their resilience... I mean, you try a completely new line and then quit after first try, knowing it's an uphill battle to get recognition and traction?
 
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ToTTenTranz said:
Yes. Despite all the doom and gloom over iGPUs that's been spread around, the lineup didn't really change.

Phoenix2 -> Hawk Point 2 -> Krackan -> Medusa Point
Phoenix -> Hawk Point -> Strix Point -> Medusa Premium
_________________________Strix Halo -> Medusa Halo
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Well Medusa Point w/CCD should be in the Strix Point+dGPU swimlane.
Medusa Premium is great as it is a drop in replacement for Strix Point notebooks but far stronger in every way.
Medusa Halo should hopefully remain FP11, LPDDR6 will likely require new boards to support it over the existing Strix Halo platform but the L5X version is hopefully drop in.
Medusa Halo should be a bonafide Mx Max rival which is a step up over Strix Halo being roughly between Pro and Max.
So many potential options, and the goal is simple.

Kill the dGPU in laptops, NV has that market completely locked but it is a market shrinking towards the desktop replacements and mobile workstations, which itself is a shrinking share of the laptop TAM.
SoCs in anything constrained by thermals and battery life is impossible to beat with a split solution in the long run.
AMD is no longer building lower end dGPUs for mobile, they are building them for T&L SoCs and desktop dGPU, AT2 being G7 meanwhile would have to be sold in green sticker land, good luck.
Thankfully it is tied in with semicustom, so it does not need to rely on just desktop to succeed.
With AMD effectively guaranteed ROI with this strategy for RDNA5 along with the unmentioned PS6 family they can afford to go big with AT0 and compete across the full GPU TAM for the first time since really Fiji.
GFX12 succeeding allowed for GFX13 to win the internal battle for relevance.
Radeon is back, they get GFX13 right and all's right with the world.
 
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branch_suggestion said:
With AMD effectively guaranteed ROI with this strategy for RDNA5 along with the unmentioned PS6 family they can afford to go big with AT0 and compete across the full GPU TAM for the first time since really Fiji.
GFX12 succeeding allowed for GFX13 to win the internal battle for relevance.
Radeon is back, they get GFX13 right and all's right with the world.
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Still a bit to go for Radeon I think

I believe RDNA 5 has everything on the software side to implement multi gcd chiplets

If software works well then they might consider going multi chiplet from RDNA 6 / RDNA 7 onwards

So only AT4, AT3, & AT2 will remain monolithic
AT0 could be dual AT1
Potentially AT1 could be dual AT3, if that works out
 
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marees said:
Still a bit to go for Radeon I think
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It is coming together, software gap is closing nicely and they are iterating on IP very quickly.
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I believe RDNA 5 has everything on the software side to implement multi gcd chiplets
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Not how they do it, chiplet gfx will be with a bunch of SEDs with the coherency point on the AID.
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If software works well then they might consider going multi chiplet from RDNA 6 / RDNA 7 onwards
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There are new patents looking towards chiplet gfx again, so GFX14 if all goes to plan.
marees said:
AT0 could be dual AT1
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No, AT1 has no reason to exist, it is just not a good method compared to their actual approaches. For compute sure, that is easy.
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Potentially AT1 could be dual AT3, if that works out
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Doubly no, AMD does not do the Apple/NV stuff, any attempt at MCM graphics will use SoIC liberally and avoid passive interposers.
 
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