AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

[sirmo]

Pretty sure ARM is also blue, just check out the logo!

ARM doesn't make processors.

 

[AtenRa]

You assume that operating expenses (sales and marketing, for example) don't scale up with revenue.

No i dont, i have just used very low margins for Server SKUs instead to compensate.

This is of course not 100% accurate but it was only made to show case what 1.5B (10%) of extra revenue could do.

 

[Phynaz]

ARM doesn't make processors.

Neither does AMD

 

[AtenRa]

Neither does AMD

??

 

[Phynaz]

Half a Billion of gross profit added over what they currently have will make them have a nice profit. If we also include the extra gross profit from the Desktop/Laptop sales of ZEN CPUs/APUs, in the end they could make a nice come back.

What do you mean by bottom line ??

"The bottom line refers to the net income reported at the bottom of the income statement. The income statement has a required layout and, although there are multiple types of income statement layouts, all of them result with net income at the end of the calculations. All income statements begin with sales at the top of the report. The total revenue figure is subsequently reduced by all expenses. Although expenses may be grouped and reported differently, all reductions of income are made to leave the residual income left for company retention or dividend distribution."

 

[Phynaz]

??

AMD designs processors. Somebody else "makes" them and AMD stamps their name on them.

 

[rainy]

Pretty sure ARM is also blue, just check out the logo!

I didn't know that we have so many fans of ARM on the forum./s

 

[AtenRa]

"The bottom line refers to the net income reported at the bottom of the income statement. The income statement has a required layout and, although there are multiple types of income statement layouts, all of them result with net income at the end of the calculations. All income statements begin with sales at the top of the report. The total revenue figure is subsequently reduced by all expenses. Although expenses may be grouped and reported differently, all reductions of income are made to leave the residual income left for company retention or dividend distribution."

Without knowing all the expenses we can only make educated guesses, so i will make one and say that adding half a billion of gross income will have a huge impact on the net income (with their current finances).

 

[ElFenix]

AMD designs processors. Somebody else "makes" them and AMD stamps their name on them.

ARM doesn't actually do that last part afaik. bit of a distinction. if you're going to go by that strict a definition then apple doesn't make iphones and i think most people would look at you funny if you said that (even if it's technically true).

 

[frozentundra123456]

I guess the point is that intel has their own foundry while AMD chips are made by GF.

 

[Doom2pro]

I guess the point is that intel has their own foundry while AMD chips are made by GF.

That and I would add...

Intel->Design->Manufacture->Market Product
AMD->Design->Third Party Manufacture->AMD Market Product
ARM->Design->Design Licensed to Customer->Customer Customizes Design->Customer or Third Party Manufacture->Customer Market Product

 

[raghu78]

ARM doesn't actually do that last part afaik. bit of a distinction. if you're going to go by that strict a definition then apple doesn't make iphones and i think most people would look at you funny if you said that (even if it's technically true).

well said. Apart from Intel there is no company which designs and manufactures its own chips. IBM too sold their semiconductor division and are fabless.

 

[ElFenix]

well said. Apart from Intel there is no company which designs and manufactures its own chips. IBM too sold their semiconductor division and are fabless.

Doesn't Samsung?

 

[nismotigerwvu]

I guess Samsung sort of counts. They still license from ARM though so it isn't like they are building from the ground up.

 

[turtile]

well said. Apart from Intel there is no company which designs and manufactures its own chips. IBM too sold their semiconductor division and are fabless.

There are others like ST Microelectronics and TI.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

I was under the impression TI only makes analog circuits now.

 

[Nothingness]

Neither does AMD

Yes, but they sell processors contrary to ARM

I was under the impression TI only makes analog circuits now.

They still make DSP, Microcontrollers and application SoC (Sitara).

 

[majord]

I guess Samsung sort of counts. They still license from ARM though so it isn't like they are building from the ground up.

Yes they are, M1 core is an in house design

 

[sirmo]

I was under the impression TI only makes analog circuits now.

TI makes a lot of mixed signal devices.. analog and digital combined. They also have one of the most succesful microcontroller lines in msp430 and its derivatives. It's the most power efficient MCU you can get pretty much.

STM has its own fabs but they license designs from ARM as well. I use their MCUs in my projects, dirt cheap and really capable.

AMD is fabless just like Nvidia is. In today's world, most advanced chips are fabbed either at TSMC or GloFo/Samsung. And then you have the Chipzilla (Intel). They are really one of a kind when it comes to size and capability.

But being fabless doesn't mean you don't manufacture. Fab is but one albeit important step in the production stage. There is packaging and characterisation, and selling of said product with the company's support system around it. AMD very much manufacture their chips themselves, whether they farm out fabbing or not.

 

[Phynaz]

AMD very much manufacture their chips themselves, whether they farm out fabbing or not.

man·u·fac·ture
ˌman(y)əˈfak(t)SHər/
noun
the making of articles on a large scale using machinery.

 

[sirmo]

man·u·fac·ture
ˌman(y)əˈfak(t)SHər/
noun
the making of articles on a large scale using machinery.

Yup.. AMD's chips like everyone else's are manufactured using machinery. It used to say difused in Germany and made in Malaysia on AMD chips back in the days of Athlon64. Zen will be diffused in US and made in Malaysia most likely. Also the owners of GloFo own 10% of AMD.. so even fabbing has its lines blurred depending on how you look at it.

But it's a pointless argument. AMD is a fabless chip manufacturer. A very common designation.

ARM however doesn't manufacture its own products. Their entire business model is around IP licensing. Which is quite different from AMD.

 

[EightySix Four]

man·u·fac·ture
ˌman(y)əˈfak(t)SHər/
noun
the making of articles on a large scale using machinery.

Does this line of conversation seem pedantic and pointless in regards to the topic to anybody else or am I just short tempered today?

 

[Doom2pro]

Does this line of conversation seem pedantic and pointless in regards to the topic to anyone else or am I just short tempered today?

The 13th can't come soon enough I'm afraid :\

 

[swilli89]

Does this line of conversation seem pedantic and pointless in regards to the topic to anybody else or am I just short tempered today?

Its completely ridiculous I agree! This is what happens when there isn't news to feed hungry minds.

 

[Phynaz]

Does this line of conversation seem pedantic and pointless in regards to the topic to anybody else or am I just short tempered today?

It probably is. redacted