AMD Ryzen Gen 2 Set For Q2 2018

[maddie]

Do you have a Ryzen chip? If so, set it to stock, open HWInfo, and note the clockspeed behavior while CB in single core and multicore. You'll then begin to understand why this is fake. PB2 will provide some improvement in this area, but my money is on:

1700X - 3.7/4.2
1800X - 4.0/4.4

AMD has stated publically that Ryzen will have memory latency and cache improvements. That's all they've said publicly about the chip thus far. Threadripper already has these improvments baked in, so similar clock speeds should obtain similar results. Now granted, thanks to the lack of control over precision boost, I can't reproduce the exact scenario, but after looking at the original page, it seemed pretty fake, or at the very least, it was an ES chip.

There is also a question of whether the new chips will have a higher single core turbo or not.

EDIT: Also don't forget that AMD will be saving the best binned dies for Threadripper.

Do you really believe this? Here I was thinking that Threadripper was Zen.

 

[eek2121]

Do you really believe this? Here I was thinking that Threadripper was Zen.

Threadripper has lower cache latencies, and tends to have lower memory latencies depending on whether operating in NUMA or UMA mode. This isn't something I made up, this is fact. See below and feel free to compare, and that is with CL16 memory, CL14 memory would likely perform even better.:

 

[xblax]

Do you have a Ryzen chip? If so, set it to stock, open HWInfo, and note the clockspeed behavior while CB in single core and multicore. You'll then begin to understand why this is fake.

No I'm still waiting for Ryzen 2000 before I upgrade. But clockspeed behavior won't be the same because the boost algorithm was refined for 2nd gen.

AMD has stated publically that Ryzen will have memory latency and cache improvements. That's all they've said publicly about the chip thus far. Threadripper already has these improvments baked in, so similar clock speeds should obtain similar results.

But the results you achieved on your Threadripper *are* similar within margin of error and unknown variables. The leak could be fake indeed, but still the scores don't seem to be unreasonable. I would assume that 4.2 Ghz is the offical turbo and 4.35 Ghz are XFR clocks on a single core.

 

[DisEnchantment]

VCZ Delivered

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

Sadly no 2800X.
At least the 2700X comes with Wraith Prism.

X470/B450 will have XFR2 Enhanced and Precision Boost Overdrive .

If I read this correctly, Raven Ridge is the new R3. Don't know if newer R3 w/o graphics will show up. Makes sense. High end parts would likely get paired with dGPU most likely.

Would ThreadRipper get the higher clocked parts?
If the R7 2700X @ 3.7/4.35 is with XFR2 + XFR2 Enhanced + Precision Boost Overdrive then it would hardly mean much save the reduced latencies. On the other hand if 4.35 GHz is normal Boost, then it would seem ~4.6 GHz to be attainable.
The boost of 2700 from 3.2 to 4.1 GHz is impressive for 65W stock.

 

[exquisitechar]

Disappointing that there's no 2800X. Hope that 4.35GHz turbo is without XFR.

 

[yummycandy]

4.35GHz means with XFR2.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...und-zunaechst-kein-ryzen-7-2800x-geplant.html

 

[DisEnchantment]

4.35GHz means with XFR2.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...und-zunaechst-kein-ryzen-7-2800x-geplant.html

With or without Precision Boost Overdrive ?
Probably not because it would mean 300 series board owners would be denied of the advertised clock speeds.
Also without XFR2 Enhanced it would mean AMD would gimp the boost clock on 300 series, damn that would be savage from AMD.

Looking at the graph, 300 series users would get slightly lower clocks on X series.

Link to VCZ

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

 

[yummycandy]

With or without Precision Boost Overdrive ?
Probably not because it would mean 300 series board owners would be denied of the advertised clock speeds.
Also without XFR2 it would mean AMD would gimp the boost clock on 300 series, damn that would be savage from AMD.

It seems without Overdrive, but that's not entirely clear.

 

[Gideon]

Looking at the graph, 300 series users would get slightly lower clocks on X series.

If you look at the chart, it's lower clocks for sustained workloads. *If this chart is correct* the peak turbo seems to be the same (for 1 core) for all PB2, XFR2 and Overdrive.

 

[jpiniero]

Including a cooler for all models is a nice touch, esp if the cooler is adequate.

With or without Precision Boost Overdrive ?
Probably not because it would mean 300 series board owners would be denied of the advertised clock speeds.
Also without XFR2 Enhanced it would mean AMD would gimp the boost clock on 300 series, damn that would be savage from AMD.

AMD said it would work... not that it would be ideal.

Disappointing that there's no 2800X. Hope that 4.35GHz turbo is without XFR.

It makes sense given that they are all unlocked. Not much point in a higher model.

 

[wahdangun]

VCZ Delivered

Sadly no 2800X.
At least the 2700X comes with Wraith Prism.

X470/B450 will have XFR2 Enhanced and Precision Boost Overdrive .

If I read this correctly, Raven Ridge is the new R3. Don't know if newer R3 w/o graphics will show up. Makes sense. High end parts would likely get paired with dGPU most likely.

Would ThreadRipper get the higher clocked parts?
If the R7 2700X @ 3.7/4.35 is with XFR2 + XFR2 Enhanced + Precision Boost Overdrive then it would hardly mean much save the reduced latencies. On the other hand if 4.35 GHz is normal Boost, then it would seem ~4.6 GHz to be attainable.
The boost of 2700 from 3.2 to 4.1 GHz is impressive for 65W stock.

the most interesting in here was the fact that you can raid NVME drive, so it's no TR exclusive feature anymore

 

[exquisitechar]

It makes sense given that they are all unlocked. Not much point in a higher model.

I agree, I was just hoping for it because it would have meant that whatever we see with the 2700X isn't the ceiling for clocks. No idea what these CPUs will OC to now if 4.35 is the max turbo for the top model.

 

[raghu78]

I think AMD will reveal these Ryzen 2000 CPUs soon either on March 15th as the leaked slides state or during GDC 2018. Something which struck me as odd was the slides have dates in March and April 2017. Is AMD intentionally leaking wrong information to find the leaks or are these just fake slides ?

 

[Adawy]

Those slides are fake, at the bottom left side, it says March 2017. It's likely that the source website made them up to gain some attention.

 

[Dayman1225]

Those slides are fake, at the bottom left side, it says March 2017. It's likely that the source website made them up to gain some attention.

Doesn't AMD has an event near the end of march to show of Ryzen 2nd Gen?

 

[Hitman928]

Doesn't AMD has an event near the end of march to show of Ryzen 2nd Gen?

The later slides also say, "Ryzen 5 launch - April 11, 2017" in the lower left hand corner, which was the actual Ryzen 5 1000 series launch date. There's a tiny possibility these are real and they used old slides as templates and forgot to update the embargo/launch dates but it's highly doubtful. Far more likely is that these are fakes and the person faking them didn't even notice the small grey text in the bottom left.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I think AMD will reveal these Ryzen 2000 CPUs soon either on March 15th as the leaked slides state or during GDC 2018. Something which struck me as odd was the slides have dates in March and April 2017. Is AMD intentionally leaking wrong information to find the leaks or are these just fake slides ?

March for CPU reveal, April for X470 board launch (PR can work in X370 boards).

 

[Kenmitch]

Not going to build a rig anytime soon but I'm still looking forward to seeing the reviews. It's nice that AMD is once again competitive and bringing on some heat. Even those who won't touch their offerings should be hoping for some nice performance gains.

 

[raghu78]

March for CPU reveal, April for X470 board launch (PR can work in X370 boards).

Dude i mean the dates on slides are 2017 instead of 2018. Something is fishy.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Dude i mean the dates on slides are 2017 instead of 2018. Something is fishy.

Typos happen. If this is a fake, this is probably the most elaborate fake in the history of fakes.

 

[formulav8]

If the 'Feed and Speed' slide is correct, then the B450 Chipset may not support overclocking. Also looks to be no A420 chipset.

 

[Asterox]

Typos happen. If this is a fake, this is probably the most elaborate fake in the history of fakes.

What typos, there is no any typos this is very legit and logical.

R5 1600X, 3.6-4ghz Turbocore

R5 2600X, 3.6-4.25ghz Turbocore=shut up and take my money

 

[Dayman1225]

Typos happen. If this is a fake, this is probably the most elaborate fake in the history of fakes.

Spoiler: Indeed, typos happen.

 

[Topweasel]

I agree, I was just hoping for it because it would have meant that whatever we see with the 2700X isn't the ceiling for clocks. No idea what these CPUs will OC to now if 4.35 is the max turbo for the top model.

Zen+ isn't going to be like Zen. Zen limits were mostly process limited and so it capped out at roughly about where AMD set the TDP limits. Zen+ should be opened up and the limits are mostly going to be power at least at stock settings to fit TDP. So even if stock settings are not quite as high, I have a feeling Ryzen 2k will be a much better overclocker (note that I am not saying we can get 5GHz through our chips).

 

[Kenmitch]

Spoiler: Indeed, typos happen.

Not a typo....That's Chinglish.