AMD Ryzen Gen 2 Set For Q2 2018

[coercitiv]

Did anybody think of the possibility the difference between the expected ~6% frequency increase and the ~10% performance increase could be due to higher supported RAM speeds?

The core itself is exactly the same with near 100% certainty, and we all know that between 2666MT/s and 3200MT/s a lot of performance is to be gained. RR already supports 2933MT/s so we can expect at least the same from PR.

You don't get ~4% increased performance in a wide variety of apps just from increased memory clocks, and you can't claim +10% improved performance if that's only you best case scenario.

 

[Donts00tmesanta]

Basically ryzen plus?

I'ma try to ride out this year with my ivy bridge rig.,.want to go ryzen when zen 2 is out next year.

 

[EXCellR8]

ASRock releasing BIOS on existing Ryzen boards for upcoming 2000 series processors...

ASRock is ready for Ryzen 2000. The company has provided BIOS updates for almost full AM4 motherboard lineup. The latest BIOSes support new AGESA code for upcoming Zen+ processors.

Those who decide to purchase Ryzen 2000 CPU and any of already existing ASRock’s Ryzen motherboards will need to go through a more complicated process, which requires not one BIOS update, but two.

Only X370 Taichi and Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming have not received Ryzen 2000-supporting BIOSes yet. Those are scheduled for February 9th. After that date, all ASRock’s AM4 motherboards will support Ryzen 2000.

looks like I gotta wait a bit longer but the Taichi and Pro Gaming are in the works.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Interesting that the UEFI support is coming so early for boards like the Taichi. Pinnacle Ridge doesn't even launch until April, and if there are going to be any desktop AM4 Raven Ridge CPUs available, you wouldn't put one in a board that has no video outputs.

 

[William Gaatjes]

ASRock releasing BIOS on existing Ryzen boards for upcoming 2000 series processors...

ASRock is ready for Ryzen 2000. The company has provided BIOS updates for almost full AM4 motherboard lineup. The latest BIOSes support new AGESA code for upcoming Zen+ processors.

Those who decide to purchase Ryzen 2000 CPU and any of already existing ASRock’s Ryzen motherboards will need to go through a more complicated process, which requires not one BIOS update, but two.

Only X370 Taichi and Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming have not received Ryzen 2000-supporting BIOSes yet. Those are scheduled for February 9th. After that date, all ASRock’s AM4 motherboards will support Ryzen 2000.

looks like I gotta wait a bit longer but the Taichi and Pro Gaming are in the works.

I wonder, i have an ASROCK AB350M board, there are bios updates but since i have no ryzen cpu yet, would this mean that the motherboard would not boot at all with a zen+ processor ?
Or would it boot up fine with a zen+ to at least get into the bios menu and update the bios from there ?

I do not upgrade often, how was this done in the past with other processors?
I usually buy everything at once in the same timeframe but now i bought the motherboard already and i am sure it does not have a bios installed that supports zen+ processor.

 

[Rakanoth]

As you guys know, AMD is to release the Ryzen 2000 or let's just call it Zen+ In April. In January the Ryzen 5 2600 already surfaced in the SiSoft Sandra database. The entry showed a processor called Ryzen 5 2600, which obviously is Zen+, the model listed is a six-core twelve threaded processor.

The very same processor once again has surfaced and seems to be the counterpart of the Ryzen 5 1600. The Ryzen 5 1600 shows Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1, the new Ryzen 2600 reads out as Family 23 Model 8 Stepping 2.

The entry within the SiSoft database is:

ZD2600BBM68AF_38/34_Y (6C 12T 3.4GHz, 1.1GHz IMC, 6x 512kB L2, 2x 8MB L3).

And yes you can deduct anything and pretty much everything from that, including a 3.4 GHz base clock and a 3.8 GHz turbo. The new leak was spotted at GeekBench and seem to be interesting as it shows that exact same product code, the single core score returns a 4269 points and the multicore score now sees 20102 points. So let's call that a ~10% performance increase. Obviously, we will still need to learn if the new Ryzen 2000 series can tweak higher compared to its predecessor.

Now I know, it's not much to look at and Geekbench most definitely is not definitive and all saying, but I made the following comparison. BTW I assume the Ryzen 2600 is a non 'X' model much like a Ryzen 1600, and as such compared based on that being the fairest baseline. Note, the L 1/2/3 caches on the original Ryzen 5 1600 entry seems to be messed up, for the Ryzen 5 2600 they seem spot on. Also, the Insyde Software BIOS for Ryzen 5 2600 might seem weird, but that is a UEFI Firmware & Engineering Services Provider, indicating this test was using an engineering sample motherboard.

Source: http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_ryzen_2600_benchmark_spotted.html

Please look at the images at the link. I could not copy the images here as I was rushing to post this awesome news.

Old Ryzen 1600 score: 3636
New Ryzen 2600 score: 4269 !!!!!

The boost: 17% !!! Wow wow wow

 

[rgba]

3636 single core seems too low. This is my stock R5 1600 result:
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/4117946

 

[DigDog]

where does the boost originate from ? architecture changes? speed change? bigger cache?

 

[Rakanoth]

3636 single core seems too low. This is my stock R5 1600 result:
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/4117946

What is your clock speed?

 

[whm1974]

No 2600G? A 6c/12t APU at a reasonable price would give both the i5-8400 and i7-8700 CPUs a good run.

 

[daveybrat]

If this is true then i'm glad i've waited this long to upgrade my i5. I was already planning on getting the Ryzen 2600, this just seals it.

 

[Markfw]

For starters, the 1600 says 3.2 ghz, and the 2600 says 3.4 ghz base. Thats 6.25% speed increase also.

 

[Roger Wilco]

I'm confused by the Geekbench scores. Some of them show significantly higher scores for the 1600 at stock clocks compared to the result used in this article?

 

[Topweasel]

No 2600G? A 6c/12t APU at a reasonable price would give both the i5-8400 and i7-8700 CPUs a good run.

That was never in the cards.

 

[The Stilt]

I got 4122 at 3.6GHz fixed speed on 1800X.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/1993360

 

[whm1974]

That was never in the cards.

it should be since Intel has moved to 6c with coffeelake i5/i7.

 

[rgba]

What is your clock speed?

3.4 GHz all-core turbo, up to 3.7 GHz on two cores
On my current motherboard (ASUS PRIME B350M-A) I get about 100 points less in single core

 

[Topweasel]

it should be since Intel has moved to 6c with coffeelake i5/i7.

Understood but you have to realize what the APU is, AMD is offering it as a desktop CPU, but the die is exclusively meant for mobile usage. 4c and decent graphics for Laptops. As far as I know the Zen 2 replacement still seems to be 4 cores. This seems to be across the board the limit both manufacturers are setting for their laptop offerings. The fact that Intel is using a 6 core part exclusively for desktop selections probably hasn't escaped AMD's attention but they have an i5/i7 competitor (Ryzen) and are looking at a core count uplift on Zen 2. Eventually it might be nice if AMD could include even a much smaller iGPU on their Ryzen series, I think we are a long way away from AMD branching out that much in different dies. Doing that now hurts AMD's ability to be flexible and fluid with their offerings.

 

[epsilon84]

If this is true then i'm glad i've waited this long to upgrade my i5. I was already planning on getting the Ryzen 2600, this just seals it.

As others have already pointed out, its more a case of the 1600 score being abnormally low, rather than the 2600 being much faster than the 'normal' 1600 score.

Actually, if anything, if this particular score is accurate than the 2600 is scoring somewhat lower than expected, as it is supposed to be running 200MHz faster at stock than a 1600, yet scores identically to rgba's stock 1600?

 

[whm1974]

Understood but you have to realize what the APU is, AMD is offering it as a desktop CPU, but the die is exclusively meant for mobile usage. 4c and decent graphics for Laptops. As far as I know the Zen 2 replacement still seems to be 4 cores. This seems to be across the board the limit both manufacturers are setting for their laptop offerings. The fact that Intel is using a 6 core part exclusively for desktop selections probably hasn't escaped AMD's attention but they have an i5/i7 competitor (Ryzen) and are looking at a core count uplift on Zen 2. Eventually it might be nice if AMD could include even a much smaller iGPU on their Ryzen series, I think we are a long way away from AMD branching out that much in different dies. Doing that now hurts AMD's ability to be flexible and fluid with their offerings.

I'm not saying that the new Ryzen APUs are a bad value, they are not. But the 2400G doesn't offer me a good case for replacing my current setup, while the 6 and 8 core CPUs w/ a new dGPU do. Not that I have the money to build a nice rig and if I did I couldn't justify doing so.

 

[NTMBK]

The jump from FX to Ryzen was a "nuclear bomb". This is just a respin with a clock bump.

 

[moinmoin]

No 2600G? A 6c/12t APU at a reasonable price would give both the i5-8400 and i7-8700 CPUs a good run.

What APU die configuration should that be? The existing APU die is 4c8t 11cu, and it's already saturating the bandwidth for dual channel RAM in its unlocked state as sold with 2400G. OC, more cores or more CUs, all and any of those would hit the memory bottleneck hard.

 

[swilli89]

What APU die configuration should that be? The existing APU die is 4c8t 11cu, and it's already saturating the bandwidth for dual channel RAM in its unlocked state as sold with 2400G. OC, more cores or more CUs, all and any of those would hit the memory bottleneck hard.

Exactly. And not that it matters from a consumer POV but AMD is already stretched to the absolute max in terms of new chip designs. Raven Ridge is a totally seperate Zen based die and has 1 module for 4 Zen cores.

The next logical step for AMD is on-package HBM for its APUs, not hex-core CPU.

 

[whm1974]

What APU die configuration should that be? The existing APU die is 4c8t 11cu, and it's already saturating the bandwidth for dual channel RAM in its unlocked state as sold with 2400G. OC, more cores or more CUs, all and any of those would hit the memory bottleneck hard.

Well I thinking of something with 4GB of on package memory, but I forgot to mention it.

 

[goldstone77]

A side by side clock for clock comparison@3.4GHz. 1600X@3.4GHz 4,118 vs. 2600@3.4GHz 4,269 offering a clock for clock gain of 3.5%. 1600X@3.4GHz 18,906 vs. 2600@3.4GHz 20,102 offering a clock for clock gain of 5.9%. http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6690641 https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/7110686

Noticeable improvements in memory latency:
1600X Memory Latency 5196 83.3 ns
2600 Memory Latency 4285 9.90 Moperations/sec
A difference of 17.5%. which amount to 68.7ns.

Spoiler: Benchmarks

UPDATE:
I'm wrong higher score relates to lower latency when compared to other Intel processors. https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/7123767
i7-8700
single-core
Memory Latency
10134
42.7 ns
multi-core
Memory Latency
9981
43.4 ns

2600 has ~101ns latency for single core.