AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

[nOOky]

Dredging this up... is the Ryzen 7 2700X still a decent pick? The wife's FX6300 took a poop on her, so I'm upgrading the CPU, MOBO, SSD, and new memory. I think what I have picked is pretty standard stuff for the CPU i.e.:

G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) AMD X370 Memory Model F4-3200C14D-16GFX

ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming Motherboard (ATX) AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 DP HDMI M.2 USB 3.1 Gen2 B450

And a
Samsung 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7E500BW)

We will be keeping the existing case, fans, PSU, GPU, etc. and she runs a 4k monitor, but only lightly games older STEAM games etc. so the RX580 is staying.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dredging this up... is the Ryzen 7 2700X still a decent pick? The wife's FX6300 took a poop on her, so I'm upgrading the CPU, MOBO, SSD, and new memory. I think what I have picked is pretty standard stuff for the CPU i.e.:

G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) AMD X370 Memory Model F4-3200C14D-16GFX

ASUS ROG Strix B450-F Gaming Motherboard (ATX) AMD Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 DP HDMI M.2 USB 3.1 Gen2 B450

And a
Samsung 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology (MZ-V7E500BW)

We will be keeping the existing case, fans, PSU, GPU, etc. and she runs a 4k monitor, but only lightly games older STEAM games etc. so the RX580 is staying.

Per my shopping around last year I **think** there is something weird about flare x memory and Ryzen 2 chips. Cant remember exactly but I think it won’t run at it’s rated speed.
I could be wrong so check the vendors memory support list.

 

[DrMrLordX]

FlareX is just b-die with profiles set up for AMD machines. The "XMP" profiles might not work on Pinnacle Ridge since I think they were set up for Summit Ridge. But you can hand-tune to get around that. That being said, I wouldn't flock to FlareX since you can get Micron e-die for less.

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[amrnuke]

This is such a noob question...

I have two front intake Corsair LL120s, one rear exhaust LL120, and one top exhaust (default thermaltake 120mm fan with the Versa H18 case).

I have a CM 212 Evo LED on the 3600.

I also have a reference blower 5700.

While running F@H on the GPU and WCG/R@H on BOINC on CPU, I wanted to try something, so I cracked the bottom edge of the glass side piece. I noticed that the system is sucking in air through the side of the case when it's cracked open. I guess I have some questions on what I should be doing. I know the blowers intake air from the case and toss it out the back, but I didn't expect the suction through this bottom edge of the case glass to be so prominent. It leaves me wondering if I shouldn't just leave the bottom edge of the case cracked open, or if this might be indicative of some larger issue with airflow in my case. How do y'all handle this? Is there any legitimate reason to seal up the case and rely on the fans alone? Or is liberating the airflow going to cause any real issues?

Even with it cracked, I'm a little dismayed to see my 3600 with an aftermarket cooler hitting 77+C on a frequent basis even with the case cracked. Did I just get a bad chip? Did I use too much thermal paste? Ambient is 70F right now.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Looks like you're running a negative pressure case, which is (in some instances) a dust magnet. Not really a big problem otherwise so long as you are satisfied with component temperatures.

 

[amrnuke]

Looks like you're running a negative pressure case, which is (in some instances) a dust magnet. Not really a big problem otherwise so long as you are satisfied with component temperatures.

I think (keyword) that 77C sustained with all 12 threads being used, at 3.9GHz, is fairly reasonable, but I'm a bit jealous of some of the other lower temps I've seen. I just wonder if I'm missing something here on how to cool more effectively. I'm considering tossing a 3900X in this bad boy, same cooler, and reusing the 3600 with stock cooler for a work PC upgrade (EMRs, dictation software, Office suites, music, imaging, etc). Just don't want to put the 3900X in a clearly poor situation, but if the 3600 just might not be a great bin, or if 77C is a solid temp for WCG/R@H 24/7, then I'll be content.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I think (keyword) that 77C sustained with all 12 threads being used, at 3.9GHz, is fairly reasonable, but I'm a bit jealous of some of the other lower temps I've seen. I just wonder if I'm missing something here on how to cool more effectively. I'm considering tossing a 3900X in this bad boy, same cooler, and reusing the 3600 with stock cooler for a work PC upgrade (EMRs, dictation software, Office suites, music, imaging, etc). Just don't want to put the 3900X in a clearly poor situation, but if the 3600 just might not be a great bin, or if 77C is a solid temp for WCG/R@H 24/7, then I'll be content.

That's one of the more-extreme workloads you can throw at a CPU. I can't promise you that the same cooler will work on a 3900x (my guess is, you'll get lower clocks). But running a pressure-negative case isn't going to make things unworkable.

 

[nOOky]

FlareX is just b-die with profiles set up for AMD machines. The "XMP" profiles might not work on Pinnacle Ridge since I think they were set up for Summit Ridge. But you can hand-tune to get around that. That being said, I wouldn't flock to FlareX since you can get Micron e-die for less.

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Hmmm I specifically picked the FlareX because of the Samsung chips, I don't really want to spend the extra $50 or so over the Crucial Ballistix, but I just want memory that runs stably at 3200 etc.

 

[daveybrat]

Hmmm I specifically picked the FlareX because of the Samsung chips, I don't really want to spend the extra $50 or so over the Crucial Ballistix, but I just want memory that runs stably at 3200 etc.

How about just the regular FlareX CL16 kit, it works great with Ryzens and is cheaper than the B-Die CL15 ones.

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[amrnuke]

That's one of the more-extreme workloads you can throw at a CPU. I can't promise you that the same cooler will work on a 3900x (my guess is, you'll get lower clocks). But running a pressure-negative case isn't going to make things unworkable.

Thank you, I guess I shouldn't be doing apples-to-apples comparisons, but just seemed odd that a 3700X with an NH-U12 was getting 66C in Blender benchmark in Techpowerup's reviews, but that's of course without a hot 5700 reference card sitting right under the CPU tower cooler.

 

[nOOky]

How about just the regular FlareX CL16 kit, it works great with Ryzens and is cheaper than the B-Die CL15 ones.

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I ordered everything including the cheaper memory, hope the wife likes it!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I ordered everything including the cheaper memory, hope the wife likes it!

I like my 3800x, I am confident she’ll like the 2700x
Only thing I don’t like about my Ryzen machine is the boot time isn’t super fast. Not real slow but not real fast either. Hard to describe.

 

[Kenmitch]

Per my shopping around last year I **think** there is something weird about flare x memory and Ryzen 2 chips. Cant remember exactly but I think it won’t run at it’s rated speed.
I could be wrong so check the vendors memory support list.

Works fine on my rig. I did have a bad uEFI version or two that didn't want to play nicely with it.

I run mine at 3800 CL15 1T @1.42v's in 1:1 mode on my budget x570 MSI motherboard without any issues. Tested all the way up to 4333MHz, but the dang penalty hit going 1:2 mode kills the latency!

It's pricey for sure, but if you win the silicon lottery it makes it more bearable in the end. I ordered my kit before Zen2 was launched and was looking for something with good compatibility odds.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Works fine on my rig. I did have a bad uEFI version or two that didn't want to play nicely with it.

I run mine at 3800 CL15 1T @1.42v's in 1:1 mode on my budget x570 MSI motherboard without any issues. Tested all the way up to 4333MHz, but the dang penalty hit going 1:2 mode kills the latency!

It's pricey for sure, but if you win the silicon lottery it makes it more bearable in the end. I ordered my kit before Zen2 was launched and was looking for something with good compatibility odds.

Cool I wasn’t sure if I was correct

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hmmm I specifically picked the FlareX because of the Samsung chips, I don't really want to spend the extra $50 or so over the Crucial Ballistix, but I just want memory that runs stably at 3200 etc.

b-die is awesome for what it is, though when you get the lower-speed bins like FlareX, it's a crapshoot as to how far you can push it . . . and on Pinnacle Ridge, it's not going to go faster than DDR4-3466 in most cases anyway (DDR4-3600 in edge cases). Micron e-die is a budget champion overclocker right now, routinely hitting DDR4-3600 CAS/CL16. You should be able to hit the same timings as the FlareX with e-die at DDR4-3200 pretty reliably. Just use Ryzen Memory Calculator and off you go.

Thank you, I guess I shouldn't be doing apples-to-apples comparisons, but just seemed odd that a 3700X with an NH-U12 was getting 66C in Blender benchmark in Techpowerup's reviews, but that's of course without a hot 5700 reference card sitting right under the CPU tower cooler.

Blender isn't as harsh as some of those DC workloads. That one that Larry had us run is . . . woof. Solid, non-stop AVX2 hammering your CPU from every angle. I can run Blender @ 4350 MHz with my 3900x, but I had to step back to something like 4150 MHz to run that PrimeGrid mess. And it still ran hotter.

 

[amrnuke]

Blender isn't as harsh as some of those DC workloads. That one that Larry had us run is . . . woof. Solid, non-stop AVX2 hammering your CPU from every angle. I can run Blender @ 4350 MHz with my 3900x, but I had to step back to something like 4150 MHz to run that PrimeGrid mess. And it still ran hotter.

Good to know!

As I plan for a 3900X upgrade I'm wondering if I shouldn't go ahead and move to a Noctua tower cooler or even an AIO.

Also, man, there's Crucial Ballistix Elite BLE2K8G4D36BEEA 2x8GB 3600CL16 kit at MC for $120... or a Trident Z RGB Neo F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC same 3600CL16 open box for $91... I may be stopping by MC today.

Any recommendations? Was leaning Ballistix as I believe this is an E-die kit?

 

[VirtualLarry]

If I had the money today (instead, gotta pay my rent), I would pick up a pair of those nice red Ballistix E-Die DDR4-3200 2x16GB kits, and run 64GB of RAM, hopefully @ 3600 CAS 16, on this R5 3600.

Just a note, after instituting an all-core OC of 4.0Ghz @ 1.3685V in BIOS, with AGESA 1.0.0.4 patch B (UEFI 3003 on Asus B450-F ROG STRIX ATX), my rig seemingly hasn't hard-hung or frozen (yet?) again.

Seems maybe that thread questioning the overall stability of Ryzen 3000-series CPU's auto-OCing features that constantly adjust freq. and voltage, in response to workload and temps, might have had some truth to it... at least in MY case. (I did run my R5 3600 @ 126C, stupidly, for like two hours at least, thinking my temp sensors were offset 20C for some reason.) So I may have "degraded" my chip, such that voltage/freq curves set at the factory may be offset by my degradation, and thus now unstable using the factory curve presets, and thus, my all-core OC provides a stable freq., and enough voltage buffer to prevent occasional rare crashes. Hey, it seems to work as a hypothesis.

Then again, I have yet, to try that PrimeGrid workload again. *shudder*

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Good to know!

As I plan for a 3900X upgrade I'm wondering if I shouldn't go ahead and move to a Noctua tower cooler or even an AIO.

Also, man, there's Crucial Ballistix Elite BLE2K8G4D36BEEA 2x8GB 3600CL16 kit at MC for $120... or a Trident Z RGB Neo F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC same 3600CL16 open box for $91... I may be stopping by MC today.

Any recommendations? Was leaning Ballistix as I believe this is an E-die kit?

I have ballistics likely e-die. 3200 cas 16 with zero problems. I haven’t tried any other speeds.
Only problem I had was I couldn’t get 4 sticks of 16GB to work (total of 64GB)
Warning I want to give was second cheap set came from an amazon seller so maybe it’s older stock or something.

 

[nOOky]

b-die is awesome for what it is, though when you get the lower-speed bins like FlareX, it's a crapshoot as to how far you can push it . . . and on Pinnacle Ridge, it's not going to go faster than DDR4-3466 in most cases anyway (DDR4-3600 in edge cases). Micron e-die is a budget champion overclocker right now, routinely hitting DDR4-3600 CAS/CL16. You should be able to hit the same timings as the FlareX with e-die at DDR4-3200 pretty reliably. Just use Ryzen Memory Calculator and off you go.



Blender isn't as harsh as some of those DC workloads. That one that Larry had us run is . . . woof. Solid, non-stop AVX2 hammering your CPU from every angle. I can run Blender @ 4350 MHz with my 3900x, but I had to step back to something like 4150 MHz to run that PrimeGrid mess. And it still ran hotter.

Thanks. I just replaced everything tonight, and cloned in a new 970 EVO 500 gig drive. It's too bad she has a closed case, the stock Ryzen cooler is pretty. Not pretty enough to buy a new case or window for though. The memory isn't running at 3200 yet, but I'm going to do a fresh install of Windows this weekend etc. so I'll spend more time tuning things after that.

It does seem to boot slower than expected, my Intel system is lightening fast. I'll go through everything including the mobo manual when I have more time. So far it seems Windows stuff feels quicker anecdotally.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'm actually looking at a Ryzen 3900X/ASUS X570 TUF/DDR43600 32GB setup. Actually beats out Intel 9900x in almost all metrics besides gaming (most of the time) and a good deal cheaper platform. Any tips? Or at this point should I just wait for Ryzen 4?

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm actually looking at a Ryzen 3900X/ASUS X570 TUF/DDR43600 32GB setup. Actually beats out Intel 9900x in almost all metrics besides gaming (most of the time) and a good deal cheaper platform. Any tips? Or at this point should I just wait for Ryzen 4?

Ryzen4xxx (Vermeer) should be out in July. Unless you're dying for an upgrade right now, I'd wait the five months and let prices on Matisse products go down. Then make a decision after the first set of reviews.

 

[Keysplayr]

Ryzen4xxx (Vermeer) should be out in July. Unless you're dying for an upgrade right now, I'd wait the five months and let prices on Matisse products go down. Then make a decision after the first set of reviews.

Thanks. July isn't so long to wait. I've been discouraged by the upgrade path the past several gens from Intel with abysmal improvements for an entire platform change. For example, this 7600K doesn't seem much faster than the Sandy 2500K I had prior. I'm hoping to see a large (like the old days) improvement over what I have now. I don't game that much anymore but I do use my PC for work and I want it eye popping quick.

 

[amrnuke]

Thanks. July isn't so long to wait. I've been discouraged by the upgrade path the past several gens from Intel with abysmal improvements for an entire platform change. For example, this 7600K doesn't seem much faster than the Sandy 2500K I had prior. I'm hoping to see a large (like the old days) improvement over what I have now. I don't game that much anymore but I do use my PC for work and I want it eye popping quick.

Be sure you're keeping in mind upgrade path for Ryzen 4000 series. It sounds like it may be the last on the AM4 chipset. However, the IPC gains on AM4 are much more than Intel have delivered on their LGA1151 socket.

 

[Keysplayr]

As to that, I'm kind of used to having to upgrade platforms every few years. As long as the performance is worth it and can provide noticeable improvements over what I had previously, I can live with that. Waiting for July will give us a better idea about AMD's plans I suppose. End of AM4 or not.

 

[sdifox]

As to that, I'm kind of used to having to upgrade platforms every few years. As long as the performance is worth it and can provide noticeable improvements over what I had previously, I can live with that. Waiting for July will give us a better idea about AMD's plans I suppose. End of AM4 or not.

maybe look at TR3? 32 cores ought to do.

here is a silly build, just needs a PCIE4 nvme carrier card added to the mix

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/27mKsk