AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread

[B-Riz]

	Cores Threads	Base Freq	Turbo Freq	L3 Cache	TDP	MSRP
Ryzen 9 5950X	16c/32t	3400	4900	64 MB	105 W	$799
Ryzen 9 5900X	12c/24t	3700	4800	64 MB	105 W	$549
Ryzen 7 5800X	8c/16t	3800	4700	32 MB	105 W	$449
Ryzen 5 5600X	6c/12t	3700	4600	32 MB	65 W	$299

5600X comes with cooler, the rest do not.

above from https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu

 

[Sunaiac]

It is absolutely fine performance wise. I think he meant for the asked prices it's not good.

 

[burninatortech4]

Not happening unless AMD starts Milan-X production again. Which they won't....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

We don't all evaluate opportunity cost the same way.

The flagship Intel CPUs always held their value because many would rather overpay for the fastest CPU for their socket. Instead of needing to buy a new board, maybe a Windows license and reinstall, and sometimes, new DDR generation. Then need to invest time in getting it up and running.

Same reason some are paying $500+ for the AM4 flagship. And it will play everything well for years to come.

I also understand why for others, the scale swings the opposite way. No upgrade path. Many are using a GPU that their present vanilla Zen 3 can drive just fine. If building out a complete system, the extra expense to get on AM5 is not terrible as a percentage of the total cost.

I have to admit, I am tempted to sell one of my 5800X3Ds. Could make a bit of coin, and help out someone else that will use it more than I do. Would not soak anyone for 5 bills either; Ferengi suck.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If anyone is still inside a reality distortion field strong enough to think platform longevity does not matter, here is today's example. This has been going on for a good while now, with no signs of slowing down.


It isn't a DDR4 thing, or LGA 1700 would not be MIA. WTF? At Ryzen 3600 being in the top 10 and outselling everything Intel. Can't keep up with demand for the 5500, the ship dates keep getting further out.

 

[Thunder 57]

If anyone is still inside a reality distortion field strong enough to think platform longevity does not matter, here is today's example. This has been going on for a good while now, with no signs of slowing down.

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It isn't a DDR4 thing, or LGA 1700 would not be MIA. WTF? At Ryzen 3600 being in the top 10 and outselling everything Intel. Can't keep up with demand for the 5500, the ship dates keep getting further out.

But but but nobody does CPU only upgrades!

 

[sdifox]

Bow before my upgrade timing

Post in thread 'AMD Ryzen 5000 Builders Thread' https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/amd-ryzen-5000-builders-thread.2585909/post-41521331

 

[Ranulf]

If anyone is still inside a reality distortion field strong enough to think platform longevity does not matter, here is today's example. This has been going on for a good while now, with no signs of slowing down.

To add, the 5700g has gone up in price over the past 3 months now up to $180 or so last I saw.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

To add, the 5700g has gone up in price over the past 3 months now up to $180 or so last I saw.

The first post in this thread was over 5 years ago. And here we are, still discussing Zen 3 being among the best-selling CPUs and mainboards. No way anyone saw that coming. Probably not even AMD.

 

[Thibsie]

I was thinking is the 5800x3d good enough to skip AM5 & ddr5 altogether 🤔

Of course it is.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Of course it is.

Using a frame cap in every game, as I do. I can't tell the difference between my 5800X3D+7900XTX and my 7800X3D+9070XT 95% of the time.

I have not tried enabling FSR 4 on RDNA 3 yet, so I can obviously tell if I use upscaling. The only other time is when I'm using RT in certain games, e.g. Hogwarts and the Spider-man games. AM4 might drop below the frame cap here and there, when AM5 does not. Memory bandwidth probably, occasionally, comes into play, as well.

Nothing that ruins the experience, or makes me think the 5800X3D is aging out. In some titles, like racing Sims, it can still outperform all vanilla AM5, last time I checked. Take a look at GN's results. Prefacing the charts: They hold Intel back with ram speed. However, given pricing and availability today? Perhaps their choice is more appropriate now than then? Not a big proponent of how they test games, but for the high-end stuff it does not matter much. Not going to have game performance and rendering, multitasking, or audio issues the way the low-end stuff can. 1s and .1s would probably better for all the CPUs though, because of testing long enough for any background game demands to even out over time.

Regardless, for gamers like myself, the multicore performance is a non-starter. So, if the cost of the Zen 3 3D is the cheapest and easiest upgrade i.e. drop-in, it is still compelling.

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[jpiniero]

If anyone is still inside a reality distortion field strong enough to think platform longevity does not matter, here is today's example. This has been going on for a good while now, with no signs of slowing down.

I think the Raptor Lake fiasco killed interest among DIY.

Now that DDR5 is a lot more expensive again, it may be a lot of people making new AM4 builds. But we are only talking about so many.

FWIW, I checked Dell and all their desktops are DDR5 as far as I can tell.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think the Raptor Lake fiasco killed interest among DIY.

Not just DIY.

Now that DDR5 is a lot more expensive again, it may be a lot of people making new AM4 builds. But we are only talking about so many.

But so many more than the competition. For AMD, that is a major W.

FWIW, I checked Dell and all their desktops are DDR5 as far as I can tell.

Immaterial to the 5000 builders thread. DIY is the primary focus of forums like this. But not surprising, the OEMs demand the new hotness. Even if it is not actually new, and is old stuff, with a new hotness sounding rebranding.

I have yet to see anything to make me change my mind about the influence of longevity. In fact, quite the opposite.

 

[jpiniero]

Not just DIY.

Dell does sell Raptor Lake desktops still. It's just using DDR5.

I think the issue is that DDR4 being cheaper is only temporary. And this DDR5 price surge might cause any DDR4 production left to end sooner than originally planned and move to newer stuff.

Same thing might happen to GDDR6 too.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Dell does sell Raptor Lake desktops still. It's just using DDR5.

So do the other OEMs last I looked. It has no impact on Ryzen 5000 builds. Let's get back to the topic, please.

I think the issue is that DDR4 being cheaper is only temporary. And this DDR5 price surge might cause any DDR4 production left to end sooner than originally planned and move to newer stuff.

That is a distinct possibility. Maybe the most likely. Then again, we might see something unusual, as we did when they started back up production of the 1050tie during the pandemic. I don't have the background needed, to know if ramping up DDR4 production is possible or profitable. I've read comments from others suggesting the Chinese could step in to fill the gap left by the big 3.

Same thing might happen to GDDR6 too.

That seems to be the popular speculation lately. I.E. we should prepare for GPU pricing to go ballistic.

What is known, is 5000 builds are going strong 5 years later. That is what I am here for. AM4 is my personal GOAT. Nothing else PC even comes close. While I got great prices on my AM5 stuff and don't regret building it. In retrospect, I could have skipped it, and never missed a beat. My AM5 is sitting here powered off while I type this from the 5800X3D PC on Bazzite. That's how big of a deal AM5 has been to me.

 

[jpiniero]

That is a distinct possibility. Maybe the most likely. Then again, we might see something unusual, as we did when they started back up production of the 1050tie during the pandemic. I don't have the background needed, to know if ramping up DDR4 production is possible or profitable. I've read comments from others suggesting the Chinese could step in to fill the gap left by the big 3.

Logically you would think that any new production would be DDR5.

 

[Ranulf]

The first post in this thread was over 5 years ago. And here we are, still discussing Zen 3 being among the best-selling CPUs and mainboards. No way anyone saw that coming. Probably not even AMD.

It has been a weird trip. I see the 5500GT is back down to $125. Tempting to buy one for a server upgrade to free up a gpu slot. Probably not worth the effort yet. For awhile it made sense to spend more on the 8core model.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Aussie Steve knows what's up. 5000 series

24H2 was downplayed by some, ignored by others. It made a massive difference. How about almost 30% performance improvement in some CPU heavy titles? 12th gen with DDR4 started off faster, now it's much slower.

 

[Thunder 57]

Aussie Steve knows what's up. 5000 series

24H2 was downplayed by some, ignored by others. It made a massive difference. How about almost 30% performance improvement in some CPU heavy titles? 12th gen with DDR4 started off faster, now it's much slower.

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Just saw this. I like how he expects TPU to update their numbers. Making AMD look better. I don't need to shake an 8 ball to see what the odds of that are.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Seems like once Intel stopped being able to throw money around/bribe everyone, AMD gets a big performance boost from MSFT, and Dell signs a major deal.



Joking aside; The 5800X3D revisit, he is working on, is going to be must watch TV.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Asus is rumoured to increase DDR4 motherboard production, so hang on to those 5xxx CPUs, they will continue to kick ass:

ASUS Reportedly Expands DDR4 Motherboard Output for 2026

According to a new industry rumor, ASUS is preparing to ramp up production of DDR4-based desktop motherboards in early 2026.The information originates from Board Channels and was picked up by Videocardz, suggesting that ASUS is adjusting its supply chain and manufacturing plans for the first...

www.guru3d.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Bought the ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING Wi-Fi II when it was BF pricing, for my Bazzite box. It is currently the best-selling board on Amazon U.S.

I usually avoid Asus new because of how bad CS is. But I have had great luck with their boards.

 

[bba-tcg]

Bought the ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING Wi-Fi II when it was BF pricing, for my Bazzite box. It is currently the best-selling board on Amazon U.S.

I usually avoid Asus new because of how bad CS is. But I have had great luck with their boards.

The only times I've ever had to deal with Asus' warranty service was on two different routers, I had no issues at all, other than it costing $27 to ship. And I've been buying their stuff for 20+ years.

 

[Rigg]

I use Asus (usually ROG Strix) boards exclusively in my personal builds and have also used plenty of Asus boards in builds for other people. I haven't had a single issue with any of them and I've bought a lot of motherboards from all of the major brands over the last 8 years. I like Strix boards aesthetically most of the time, they generally have a good power delivery and I/O configs, and I strongly prefer the UEFI user interface to the other brands. It's also pretty easy to get a deal on them at MC so I'm not paying a premium to go with Asus.

Despite buying tons of DIY PC hardware, I've had very few instances where I needed to deal with customer service or do an RMA for faulty hardware so maybe I'm just lucky. My only experience with Asus CS was when I inquired with them about getting an I/O shield for an open box B450 strix ITX board I bought from MC. When I asked if there was a way I could purchase an I/O shield, they replied "no, but we'll go ahead and send you one for free." The only time I've ever actually dealt with RMA on motherboards was with used Gigabyte boards. One was repaired under warranty without hassle, and the other got denied warranty repair and sent back to me with a BS excuse for why it wasn't covered. I've avoided Gigabyte ever since. I can only think of 2 other times I had a hardware failure that required RMA. I had a SeaSonic PSU that was bad out of the box but I got NewEgg to replace that after some initial push back from their CS rep. I also had a GSkill kit that was throwing errors and had no problem getting that replaced in a hassle free and timely manner.

At the end of the day I think all of the 4 major mobo manufacturers have made good and bad motherboards over the years. They have probably all had issues with defective hardware and customer service at one point or another. Hopefully issues being publicized by the GN's of the world when these companies screw up will help slow the enshittification.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Boom!

New Ryzen CPUs for AM4 may be back on the menu as AMD considers reintroducing select SKUs:​

https://videocardz.com/newz/new-ryzen-cpus-for-am4-may-be-back-on-the-menu-as-amd-considers-reintroducing-select-skus

 

[jpiniero]

Boom!

New Ryzen CPUs for AM4 may be back on the menu as AMD considers reintroducing select SKUs:​

https://videocardz.com/newz/new-ryzen-cpus-for-am4-may-be-back-on-the-menu-as-amd-considers-reintroducing-select-skus

It's probably just the 5000 Series XT (or a rebrand)