AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[LTC8K6]

Ok. I perfectly take your words for it. No probs.

Btw i have gamed a lot on intel igpu and still a lot of the 15w tdp laptops in the house is used for that. Since intel 950 series before sb 3000. I took my turn.
Heck what do you game on in the run if there is nothing else. I think we are next to half a billion in the world doing so.
So i simply dont understand this talk about dgpu. Different solutions imo. No way is a 1030 plus 4c intel solution competing with this. Be it laptop or desktop. For tdp or cost reasons. As said i took my turn. If i can get 100% better igp perf just by having another label i am all for it.

If low end DGPU prices would get back down to normal, it might be a different story.

 

[AtenRa]

How many shader engines does VEGA11 has?

64 x 11 = 704

but only 640 are enabled on the 2400G

 

[AtenRa]

You need more RAM for the APU system and you absolutely NEED Faster RAM, so once you factor in 8GB of DDR4 2400 vs 16GB of DDR4 3600, you could probably replace that GT1030 with a GTX 1050.

Newegg prices,

Core i3 8100 (3.7GHz 4C 4T) = $130
Cheapest Z370 MB = $110
1x 8GB DDR-2400 = $84
GT 1030 2GB = $80

Total = $404

Ryzen 2400G (3.9GHz 4C 8T ) = $180
Cheapest B350 MB = $60
2x 8GB DDR-3200 = $183

Total = $423

Well, for $19 more you get (if you take MSRP price then its only $9 more)

1. Faster CPU performance,
2. Almost same GPU performance
3. Double the amount + Faster Memory.
4. Overclock-able
5. Better upgrade-ability

What is overpriced is the Intel products not the 2400G

 

[Glo.]

I meant the 2400 is overpriced, the 2200 is priced very well. The 2400 is almost as expensive as the hex core 1600 and i5 8400.

Em...

2400G will provide Core i3 8100 performance or higher, with GT1030 performance, for 20$ less. How come this is overpriced?

 

[USER8000]

64 x 11 = 704

but only 640 are enabled on the 2400G

No,all 704 are enabled on the 2400G. The mobile Ryzen 5 APU has 640 enabled.

Having said that,I do think it will hit a bandwidth bottleneck quicker than the 2200G.

 

[PeterScott]

Newegg prices,

Core i3 8100 (3.7GHz 4C 4T) = $130
Cheapest Z370 MB = $110
1x 8GB DDR-2400 = $84
GT 1030 2GB = $80

Total = $404

Ryzen 2400G (3.9GHz 4C 8T ) = $180
Cheapest B350 MB = $60
2x 8GB DDR-3200 = $183

Total = $423

Well, for $19 more you get (if you take MSRP price then its only $9 more)

1. Faster CPU performance,
2. Almost same GPU performance
3. Double the amount + Faster Memory.
4. Overclock-able
5. Better upgrade-ability

What is overpriced is the Intel products not the 2400G

Slight adjustment, also Newegg prices:

G4560 (3.5GHz 2C 4T) = $82.18
ASUS H110M-A/M.2 = $39.99
1x 8GB DDR-2400 = $84
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1050 2GB = $134.99

Total = $341.16

So for $81 less, you can get a low end game machine with GTX 1050, that will blow the doors off the 2400G.

Thanks for helping to prove my point.

 

[USER8000]

Slight adjustment, also Newegg prices:

G4560 (3.6GHz 2C 4T) = $82.18
ASUS H110M-A/M.2 = $39.99
1x 8GB DDR-2400 = $84
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1050 2GB = $134.99

Total = $341.16

So for $81 less, you can get a low end game machine with GTX 1050, that will blow the doors off the 2400G.

Thanks for helping to prove my point.

Shame,it only has one stick of RAM,which will affect CPU performance in games like Fallout 4 which love memory bandwidth or the old platform,where a Core i5 costs $180:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...19117731&cm_re=i5_7400-_-19-117-731-_-Product

That is with dual channel RAM,so only a person who has zero clue about games,would be building a gaming PC with single channel memory.

The only point you are proving is that you are so desperate to push Intel and Nvidia in a AMD thread,and you are strangely absent from all the Intel ones pushing AMD.

Commiserations for you the $99 Ryzen 3 2200G blows apart your G4560 in GPU performance and overall CPU performance.

So you are so scared for anyone to buy AMD,that
1.)You on purpose ignore the 2200G which is 4C/4T
2.)The G4560 can't be overclocked
3.)Its on a plaform where 4C/4T CPUs are $180
4.)Its EOL
5.)The G4560 has a crap cooler
6.)Hobble the G4560 with slow RAM which is single channel.
7.)On purpose ignore the AM4 A320 motherboards and think using the cheapest H110 rubbish board won't be noticed

I assume you are the type which uses $10 PSUs too??

I want to see what CPU lasts longer for the next three years,a G4560 or a 2200G??

All I see here is every attempt to play down the Ryzen APUs in an AMD thread,and trying to push Intel alternatives which:
1.)Don't work out in price/performance at current pricing.
2.)Are on EOL platforms where a 4C/4T Core i5 is still over £150 in most parts of the world.
3.)CPUs and chipsets which are not even released and nobody has a clue when the ACTUAL RELEASE DATE WILL BE.
4.)Make belief graphics cards which are not even confirmed.
5.)Combos which cost significantly more than a 2200G.
6.)All integrated graphics is crap,so to ignore the advantage AMD has.
7.)Say Intel integrated graphics is fine,so to ignore the advantage AMD has.
8.)Ignore the driver issues Intel does have with their graphics.
9.)Ignore Intel hiring AMD to make a graphics card for them and hiring away AMD personal to make better graphics,which confirms they know their graphics is not great.
10.)Defend Intel graphics despite Intel not even defending it.
11.)Buy secondhand Intel CPUs,even if the same isn't said in Intel threads last time I checked.

 

[PeterScott]

Shame,it only has one stick of RAM,which will affect CPU performance in games like Fallout 4 which love memory bandwidth or the old platform,where a Core i5 costs $180:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...19117731&cm_re=i5_7400-_-19-117-731-_-Product

The only point you are proving is that you are so desperate to push Intel and AMD in a AMD thread,and you are strangely absent from all the Intel ones pushing AMD.

Hardly, I am just totally amused by the long essays being written about Ryzen 2400G, the GT 1030 killer! (ahem, sort of, maybe).

The simple truth is, if you want low end gaming, the cheapest CPU/MB + GTX 1050 is where it is at. Not bending over backwards trying to squeeze GT1030 performance out of 2400G.

Sure the 2400G is a better CPU than the G4560, but it costs twice as much, enabling you get a GTX 1050 in the same price range.

So what if a low end gamer doesn't have the best CPU? Is he running his Video rendering business on his low end gaming PC? It's likely plenty good for everything he would do with a computer, and miles better for gaming with the GTX 1050.

PS: AtenRa was the one who put in the 1x8GB, I just didn't bother to change it, you could easily get 2x4GB for similar price.

 

[Mockingbird]

Slight adjustment, also Newegg prices:

G4560 (3.5GHz 2C 4T) = $82.18
ASUS H110M-A/M.2 = $39.99
1x 8GB DDR-2400 = $84
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1050 2GB = $134.99

Total = $341.16

So for $81 less, you can get a low end game machine with GTX 1050, that will blow the doors off the 2400G.

Thanks for helping to prove my point.

You conveniently forget that you can also pair a Ryzen 3 2200G with Geforce GTX 1050.

 

[PeterScott]

You conveniently forget that you can also pair a Ryzen 3 2200G with Geforce GTX 1050.

Not at all, AtenRa wanted to compare a 2400G.

2200G is a better value, 2400G is more questionable.

 

[USER8000]

Hardly, I am just totally amused by the long essays being written about Ryzen 2400G, the GT 1030 killer (sort of).

The simple truth is, if you want low end gaming, the cheapest CPU/MB + GTX 1050 is where it is at. Not bending over backwards trying to squeeze GT1030 performance out of 2400G.

Sure the 2400G is a better CPU than the G4560, but it costs twice as much, enabling you get a GTX 1050 is the same price range.

So what if a low end gamer doesn't have the best CPU? Is he running his Video rendering business on his low end gaming PC? It's likely plenty good for everything he would do with a computer, and miles better for gaming with the GTX 1050.

The 2400G is not great value.....compared to the 2200G.

Speccing an $82 2C/4T CPU though on a EOL platform is one of the worst build specs you could possibly do for a budget gamer,since it will age quicker than a 4C/4T CPU. It means you spend more money quicker.

Socket 1151 version one is a terrible platform for a budget gamer due to LOLWTFBBQ upgrade costs.

Socket 1155 was a great socket for budget gamers. Intel just got more and more complacent and upped pricing and restricted SKUs from running in them,so socket 1151 version one is only a good platform if you never upgrade.

There are games which don't run well on a 2C/4T now - what happens in 1,2 or 3 years time?? A Core i5 7400 is $180. As games prefer 4C and above CPUs,I don't think secondhand prices will reach rock bottom,as people with a G4560 will want to upgrade.

The 2200G is a whole $17 more than a G4560. Motherboards start at $50 and AM4 will be supported for the next few years. AMD will be launching better specified 400 series boards in two months time.

Single channel memory does affect games - I play Fallout 4 and it loves memory bandwidth,and the newer Intel CPUs from Skylake onwards show more improvements with faster RAM. It was less of a case with previous generations. Fallout 4 is not the only game which does like bandwidth,and when you use single channel 2400MHZ RAM,is the equivalent of having 1200MHZ DDR4 in dual channel.

Yes,Intel will have G5000 Pentiums,but when they actually launch will be another question,and the same will go for the lower end boards. That is ON Intel and until you can buy one,a G4560 and GT1030 will cost more than a 2200G and so will a Core i3 8100.

Also,I would argue actually looking at gameplay videos,the A8 9600 is the cheapest entry level gaming combo you can get,primarily as it can run some very common games at much better framerates than an Intel equivalent. The 2200G is worth the extra as the CPU will be less likely to be a bottleneck if upgrading to a faster card,so it has better value longterm.

 

[LTC8K6]

R5-1400 $150 (4C8T with 8mb L3 cache)
Cheapest B350 board $60
2X4gb DDR4-3000 $100
GTX1050 $135
$445
???

 

[USER8000]

Also,did people forget the comments made by Asus that the previous generation Intel Kaby Lake boards could run Coffee Lake fine?? Intel due to its excessive product segmentation,has given AMD a big opening,which only the former can take the blame for. AMD managed to get two different CPU designs to work on a single socket. Imagine if Intel had allowed the 65W and below Coffee Lake models to work on Kaby Lake boards?? This is why the G4560 suggestion is not great,as Intel artificially locked out an upgrade path for Kaby Lake,and also made the motherboards for Coffee Lake look overpriced for cheaper builds.

 

[PeterScott]

The 2400G is not great value.....compared to the 2200G.

Speccing an $82 2C/4T CPU though on a EOL platform is one of the worst build specs you could possibly do for a budget gamer,since it will age quicker than a 4C/4T CPU. It means you spend more money quicker.

Socket 1151 version one is a terrible platform for a budget gamer due to LOLWTFBBQ upgrade costs.

Socket 1155 was a great socket for budget gamers. Intel just got more and more complacent and upped pricing and restricted SKUs from running in them,so socket 1151 version one is only a good platform if you never upgrade.

There are games which don't run well on a 2C/4T now - what happens in 1,2 or 3 years time?? A Core i5 7400 is $180. As games prefer 4C and above CPUs,I don't think secondhand prices will reach rock bottom,as people with a G4560 will want to upgrade.

The 2200G is a whole $17 more than a G4560. Motherboards start at $50 and AM4 will be supported for the next few years. AMD will be launching better specified 400 series boards in two months time.

Single channel memory does affect games - I play Fallout 4 and it loves memory bandwidth,and the newer Intel CPUs from Skylake onwards show more improvements with faster RAM. It was less of a case with previous generations. Fallout 4 is not the only game which does like bandwidth,and when you use single channel 2400MHZ RAM,is the equivalent of having 1200MHZ DDR4 in dual channel.

Yes,Intel will have G5000 Pentiums,but when they actually launch will be another question,and the same will go for the lower end boards. That is ON Intel and until you can buy one,a G4560 and GT1030 will cost more than a 2200G and so will a Core i3 8100.

Also,I would argue actually looking at gameplay videos,the A8 9600 is the cheapest entry level gaming combo you can get,primarily as it can run some very common games at much better framerates than an Intel equivalent. The 2200G is worth the extra as the CPU will be less likely to be a bottleneck if upgrading to a faster card,so it has better value longterm.

Sweet another essay.

Why do you keep harping on dual channel memory. You aren't aware that you can get 2X4GB?

Which games don't work well with 2C/4T? I heard something like that about Witcher 3:
https://youtu.be/PUwWLhWd4o0?t=6m35s

Looks like a dead heat with the Ryzen 1200. And that is on a GTX 1060. Mabye it chokes on a Titan?

I wouldn't pair a G4560 with GTX 1080+, but for a GTX 1050, the GPU is going the be the bottleneck.

 

[neblogai]

This is interesting: Combined Score in 3DMark is about the same for 2200G and 2400G- 3635 vs 3869: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-rwP3YFnzMQ
Just 6.5% difference for an APU with ~10% higher clocks of iGPU with 37% more CUs, plus CPU with SMT and also higher clocks). Score difference in separate tests is 27.5% in graphics test, and 26,5% in physics test. Must be thermal throttling in combined workload then, caused by only being supplied with Wraith Stealth, and needing +€20 cooler for full load and any overclocking?

 

[USER8000]

Sweet another essay.

Why do you keep harping on dual channel memory. You aren't aware that you can get 2X4GB?

Which games don't work well with 2C/4T? I heard something like that about Witcher 3:
https://youtu.be/PUwWLhWd4o0?t=6m35s

Looks like a dead heat with the Ryzen 1200. And that is on a GTX 1060. Mabye it chokes on a Titan?

I wouldn't pair a G4560 with GTX 1080+, but for a GTX 1050, the GPU is going the be the bottleneck.

Because you artificially dropped the price by going with single channel RAM. So you are comparing it with the Ryzen 3 1200 which is slower than a 2200G.

So what happens,when they upgrade the graphics card in a few years??

Plus why are you trying to lie to people by burying this:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...19117731&cm_re=i5_7400-_-19-117-731-_-Product

$180 for a Core i5 7400.

So are you going to promise everybody that a G4560 will have exactly the same performance as a Ryzen 3 2200G in every game for the next 3 years,and that they will not require a Core i5 at all.

All I see here is every attempt to play down the Ryzen APUs in an AMD thread,and trying to push Intel alternatives which:
1.)Don't work out in price/performance at current pricing.
2.)Are on EOL platforms where a 4C/4T Core i5 is still over £150 in most parts of the world.
3.)CPUs and chipsets which are not even released and nobody has a clue when the ACTUAL RELEASE DATE WILL BE.
4.)Make belief graphics cards which are not even confirmed.
5.)Combos which cost significantly more than a 2200G.
6.)All integrated graphics is crap,so to ignore the advantage AMD has.
7.)Say Intel integrated graphics is fine,so to ignore the advantage AMD has.
8.)Ignore the driver issues Intel does have with their graphics.
9.)Ignore Intel hiring AMD to make a graphics card for them and hiring away AMD personal to make better graphics,which confirms they know their graphics is not great.
10.)Defend Intel graphics despite Intel not even defending it.
11.)Buy secondhand Intel CPUs,even if the same isn't said in Intel threads last time I checked.

BTW,I might have missed it,did you suggest people get a G4560 on socket 1151 V1 in the Intel Coffee Lake thread over a Core i3 8100??

 

[Topweasel]

Also,did people forget the comments made by Asus that the previous generation Intel Kaby Lake boards could run Coffee Lake fine?? Intel due to its excessive product segmentation,has given AMD a big opening,which only the former can take the blame for. AMD managed to get two different CPU designs to work on a single socket. Imagine if Intel had allowed the 65W and below Coffee Lake models to work on Kaby Lake boards?? This is why the G4560 suggestion is not great,as Intel artificially locked out an upgrade path for Kaby Lake,and also made the motherboards for Coffee Lake look overpriced for cheaper builds.

This is a known quantity. Outside the move to PCIe 3.0 and DDR4, there has been little reason for Intel to switch the pin outs on on their chips. Intel originally wanted to change the pinouts on every gen (like Nahalem to Sandybridge) but the OEM's pushed back. They wanted 5 years. They compromised on 2 years. So Publicly Intel has used architecture changes required new chipsets, and this year they needed a different pinout for power delivery for 2 more cores. But the reality is that the 2 years were up an they wanted a new platform out there. Then they can go back to the OEMs with the next one and say "well its an arch switch and a node switch and we really do have to change the pinout again, sorry nothing we can do about that."

Hell just look at LGA design. AMD is making an 8 core dual channel with more PCIe lanes and support for a IGP system work on a ZIF socket with 300 more pins. They were close to needing LGA, but it wasn't impossible as Intel implied when they shifted the cost away from their CPU's and onto the motherboard manufacturers. There is a lot of things they need to right the ship on before they start carrying on water. These moves that upset OEM's and other parts manufacturers, eventually push them away as competition (in this case AMD) shows enough stability. AMD doesn't even have to be the defacto fastest. Just look at Raven Ridge. Originally AMD wanted to continue to have two sockets as their target markets kind of differed enough. OEM's didn't want to have two parts supplies for the bottom and top consumer AMD parts. So AMD worked with them and made AM4 support both the IGP and no-igp selections worked. Then promised that the socket would last as long as possible and set the reasonable guidelines for why a socket change would happen (DDR5 and PCIe 4/5). Eventually the OEM's will decided that AMD does actually give them negotiating power in designs and when that happens it might be too late for Intel to right the ship.

 

[esquared]

OK everyone,stop with all this Intel talk in an AMD Ryzen performance thread.

Stick to the topic, or the next ones will be infracted.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[USER8000]

OK,in addition to those pictures of the packaging,apparently some 3DMark scores have been leaked:

https://www.eteknix.com/specs-benchmarks-price-amd-raven-ridge-apus-leak/

Take with a grain of salt.

 

[maddie]

IRobot23 and LTC8K are the best.

Catching up on this thread and saw Abott & Costello reincarnated with posts 904<>918. Thanks for the laughs. A good stress release.

 

[piesquared]

OK,in addition to those pictures of the packaging,apparently some 3DMark scores have been leaked:

https://www.eteknix.com/specs-benchmarks-price-amd-raven-ridge-apus-leak/

Take with a grain of salt.

I'll take that with a shot of whiskey! Very nice. These should be wildly popular little beasts.

 

[SPBHM]

score looks around 5K for 3dmark11 GPU, that's higher than a GT 1030 (around 4.7K)

but this reminds me that this benchmark shows unusual low impact from memory bandwidth; for example Kaveri 7850K scores 2300, the problem is the discrete card with 512SPs like Kaveri (7750 GDDR5) also scores 2300, while in games is much faster, so I would keep that in mind, still a great performance gain since Kaveri for sure (if real)

these are just numbers from different sources I quickly found on google, so it might not be very accurate,

 

[DisarmedDespot]

A couple years ago I built a little HTPC in a broken NES. It was just a 35-watt Athlon 5350 in the old Nintendo case, but I loved the thing. If RAM prices weren't so stupid right now, I'd rebuild it with a 2400G (and more fans) in a heartbeat. As-is, even 8 gigs would almost cost as much as the CPU itself.

 

[IRobot23]

IRobot23 and LTC8K are the best.

Catching up on this thread and saw Abott & Costello reincarnated with posts 904<>918. Thanks for the laughs. A good stress release.

Well @PeterScott is way better

 

[IRobot23]

64 x 11 = 704

but only 640 are enabled on the 2400G

Isn't that for 2700U with 10NCUs? 2400G will have all.

Shader engine is not only CU/SP.
Example : VEGA64 has 4 Shader engines same goes for RX 48/47/58/57, FuRy, R9 290 series.

Good comparison is rx 550 vs rx 560, both have 2SE, but RX 560 has double amount of CUs