AMD Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G APUs performance unveiled

[PeterScott]

Core i3 8100 (4C 4T) = $117
GT1030 2GB = $75

Total = $192

Ryzen 2400G (4C 8T) = $169 (MSRP) or lets say $180 for the first month after launch.

2400G is cheaper, with faster CPU performance, ~same GPU performance and with a platform that will be upgrade-able at least with a Second Gen 8C 16T Ryzen.

You need more RAM for the APU system and you absolutely NEED Faster RAM, so once you factor in 8GB of DDR4 2400 vs 16GB of DDR4 3600, you could probably replace that GT1030 with a GTX 1050.

 

[whm1974]

You need more RAM for the APU system and you absolutely NEED Faster RAM, so once you factor in 8GB of DDR4 2400 vs 16GB of DDR4 3600, you could probably replace that GT1030 with a GTX 1050.

True, but how many folks like us will get 16GB RAM anyway? Back in 2013 when I built my rig, i went ahead and picked out that much memory just for the hell of it. Of course memory was a great deal cheaper then....

 

[IRobot23]

I know this is a bit off topic (from previous posts), but I would like to discuss people talk.

2400G "only" offers 6MB of L3 (CPU) while R5 1400 and R5 1500X both offers more 8MB and 16MB of L3 cache. Good thing it is it is single CCX. Worth noting that AMD finally broke their tradition keeping some of L3 for the CPU. There is one more point of buying 2200G over A8 9600.


Someone from AMD said they named it as 2000 series, because they are offering better performance, more like Ryzen with ZEN+ cores.
I would guess lower memory latency, but because MOBILE APUs shows huge memory latency... I am without any idea, probably clocks. Anyone?
https://techreport.com/review/32877/amd-ryzen-5-2500u-apu-reviewed/3
AMD APUs in laptops didn't run NB at 2GHz but usually at 700-800MHz, which delayed latency over 110ns.

 

[IRobot23]

You need more RAM for the APU system and you absolutely NEED Faster RAM, so once you factor in 8GB of DDR4 2400 vs 16GB of DDR4 3600, you could probably replace that GT1030 with a GTX 1050.

No you don't need over 8GB of DRAM.
Buying 1x8 GB (or 2x4GB for few € more) of ddr4 at 2133MHz at 80€ over 2x4GB 3200MHz at 100€ is nonsense. That slow crap isn't worth even .... just get old DDR3 platform.

Please, WHY would you buys DDR4 platform, if you are going to buy slower ram than DDR3? Do you think that pentium/old i3 would like it? YOu know that GB/s and latency effects of efficiency of IPC?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qksXthUcbiQ

I don't know why would you go DDR4 (@gaming) and then buying slowest cheapest DDR4 on the market... waste of your money!

 

[LTC8K6]

No you don't need over 8GB of DRAM.
Buying 1x8 GB (or 2x4GB for few € more) of ddr4 at 2133MHz at 80€ over 2x4GB 3200MHz at 100€ is nonsense. That slow crap isn't worth even .... just get old DDR3 platform.

Please, WHY would you buys DDR4 platform, if you are going to buy slower ram than DDR3? Do you think that pentium/old i3 would like it?

Well with an APU, 8GB is actually only 6GB, since 2GB is reserved for the graphics.
You pretty much have to buy 2 sticks of fast ram anyway with an APU, or it will slow down your graphics.

 

[USER8000]

https://imgur.com/a/3lYM7

Actual pictures of the retail boxes with the CPUs inside them,and the cooler.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Actual pictures of the retail boxes with the CPUs inside them,and the cooler.

Finally somebody noticed it.

 

[raghu78]

You need more RAM for the APU system and you absolutely NEED Faster RAM, so once you factor in 8GB of DDR4 2400 vs 16GB of DDR4 3600, you could probably replace that GT1030 with a GTX 1050.

You don't need more RAM for the APU system. 8GB is more than enough for people who want a basic low end PC for productivity and light gaming. If somebody can spend more obviously a GTX 1050 is going to be vastly better. But the point everybody is trying to make is there are millions of low end PCs sold every year and Ryzen APUs (especially 2200G )are going to rock that segment. Remember on a budget PC when you are gaming you are not running some heavy encoding application in the background. btw the price difference between 2 x 4GB DDR4 2400 and 2x 4GB DDR4 3200 is $17.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232608
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231900

Thats the price difference between 2200G and 8100. Since Ryzen APUs are generally bandwidth limited even with DDR4 3200 i don't think we will see a huge gap between a 2200G and 2400G with DDR4 3200. 2200G is going to be a killer APU for budget builds.The 8100 + GT1030 might be 10-20% faster but lot of people are going to be happy to save the USD 90 and enjoy roughly the same gaming perf. imo there are 2 choices for entry level gamers - 8100 or 2200G + GTX 1050 or 2200G . The other choices are going to be neither good value nor good gaming perf. 2400G will be popular too but its value proposition is not as attractive as 2200G.

 

[rainy]

I know this is a bit off topic (from previous posts), but I would like to discuss people talk.

2400G "only" offers 6MB of L3 (CPU) while R5 1400 and R5 1500X both offers more 8MB and 16MB of L3 cache. Good thing it is it is single CCX. Worth noting that AMD finally broke their tradition keeping some of L3 for the CPU. There is one more point of buying 2200G over A8 9600.

To be correct, 2200G/2400G have 4MB of L3 when Summit Ridge (with exception of Threadripper 1950x/1920x) 8 or 16MB.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(microarchitecture)#Desktop_APUs

L3 is is just one of 2200G improvements over A8-9600:
massively higher IPC, base clock advantage, much better memory controller, stronger and newest IGP, Precision Boost 2, etc.
This is why buying Bristol Ridge in 2018 would be a really poor choice.

 

[IRobot23]

Well with an APU, 8GB is actually only 6GB, since 2GB is reserved for the graphics.
You pretty much have to buy 2 sticks of fast ram anyway with an APU, or it will slow down your graphics.

No actually, 256MB is reserved for Ryzen APU - iGPU. Either way iGPU would be using ~ 1GB or a bit more.
Well, you are not going to run on ultra, but medium to low. So 8GB should be more than enough. Getting faster ram, means better CPU performance (upgrade). Windows 10 @ pagefile working really well.
Rainbows 6 siege can use up to 10-11Gb of DRAM and ~6-7Gb of VRAM at 1080p. Majority of people are not moving above 8GB of DRAM and 2Gb of VRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma-XCG9dUHs

 

[LTC8K6]

No actually, 256MB is reserved for Ryzen APU - iGPU. Either way iGPU would be using ~ 1GB or a bit more.
Well, you are not going to run on ultra, but medium to low. So 8GB should be more than enough. Getting faster ram, means better CPU performance (upgrade). Windows 10 @ pagefile working really well.
Rainbows 6 siege can use up to 10-11Gb of DRAM and ~6-7Gb of VRAM at 1080p. Majority of people are not moving above 8GB of DRAM and 2Gb of VRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma-XCG9dUHs

I would be getting faster ram for the graphics performance, not for the CPU, if I were using an IGP/APU.
Is VRAM use accurately reported in that video?
Seem to remember reports that it is not.
We know that a GT1030 will have 2GB of VRAM all to itself.

 

[piesquared]

A 1030 only has 2GB RAM?? Wow, didn't realize that i though it had 4GB. Well the thing is even more irrelevant now then.
I guess with Vega graphics on Ryzen G series people could dedicate as much RAM as they wanted to use with HBCC.

 

[LTC8K6]

A 1030 only has 2GB RAM?? Wow, didn't realize that i though it had 4GB. Well the thing is even more irrelevant now then.
I guess with Vega graphics on Ryzen G series people could dedicate as much RAM as they wanted to use with HBCC.

I think it's 2GB max, and anyway, it is taking away system ram, so how much are you really going to reserve?

 

[Kenmitch]

Silly bickering back and forth....Guessing you guys have forgotten that in the end you have about a .01 % chance of making the success or failure of these products.

There is a market for these apus and I'm going to let it decide on the success or failure of them....I'm leaning towards they'll be successful in their intended market and possibly adopted in some of the unintended market....Thanks to crazy dgpu current pricing!

 

[piesquared]

I think it's 2GB max, and anyway, it is taking away system ram, so how much are you really going to reserve?

When playing games? It depends on the game i suppose. But if a 1030 only has 2GB, then for that class of gaming 2GB on Ryzen G should be fine as well. But we'll see if HBCC can be used as it can with discrete Vega. Some people are using upwards of 200GB of system RAM with HBCC on those cards.

 

[LTC8K6]

Note that AMD used 16gb of ram with the 2200G/2400G.

System Configs: All systems equipped with 16B (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2667 RAM

Socket AM4 System: Ryzen 52400G processor, 16B (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2667 RAM

 

[LTC8K6]

When playing games? It depends on the game i suppose. But if a 1030 only has 2GB, then for that class of gaming 2GB on Ryzen G should be fine as well. But we'll see if HBCC can be used as it can with discrete Vega. Some people are using upwards of 200GB of system RAM with HBCC on those cards.

How many people have that much DDR4 in their system?

 

[piesquared]

Note that AMD used 16gb of ram with the 2200G/2400G.

Nice, they are only using 2667, it officially supports up to DDR4-2933 so results should be even better.

 

[LTC8K6]

Nice, they are only using 2667, it officially supports up to DDR4-2933 so results should be even better.

Well, the AMD slide shows the 2400G tied with a GT1030.

We can all make of that what we wish, I guess.

 

[piesquared]

How many people have that much DDR4 in their system?

I have no idea on the number of people that will have 256MB of RAM on their Ryzen G series builds. I suspect not very many, but then that really isn't my point is it.

 

[piesquared]

Well, the AMD slide shows the 2400G tied with a GT1030.

We can all make of that what we wish, I guess.

Well i'm just using your point about the DDR4-2677 as a reference. DDR4-2933 would be faster than DDR4-2677.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well i'm just using your point about the DDR4-2677 as a reference. DDR4-2933 would be faster than DDR4-2677.

But nowhere near as fast as the dedicated GDDR5 of a low end video card.

 

[piesquared]

But nowhere near as fast as the dedicated GDDR5 of a low end video card.

Unless you run out of memory like in the 2GB 1030. How much difference in bandwidth between the 64-bit GDDR5 interface in that card and fast dual channel RAM in Ryzen G are we talking about?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

The 6700 and 7700 are hardly valid comparisons, since even with the higher motherboard prices, you can now get six cores for 50.00 less (8400 for 200.00 plus 50.00 extra for the mb = effectively 250.00).

See above.

However, the $300 bottom limit on Intel 4C/8T was the reality until only four months ago. If we're nitpicking, you have been able to get 6C/12T Ryzen 5 for ~$220 since April 2017.

Well with an APU, 8GB is actually only 6GB, since 2GB is reserved for the graphics.
You pretty much have to buy 2 sticks of fast ram anyway with an APU, or it will slow down your graphics.

If AMD's previous memory controllers are anything to go by, what you want is actually the tightest timings you can afford. Then raising frequency. Dual channel is mandatory unless you run a discrete card or stick to office work.

 

[rainy]

Note that AMD used 16gb of ram with the 2200G/2400G.

I didn't know that DDR4-2666 was used in AMD internal tests.
In that case DDR4-3200 will increase bandwith by additional 20 percent, which should improve IGP performance quite nicely.

Unless you run out of memory like in the 2GB 1030. How much difference in bandwidth between the 64-bit GDDR5 interface in that card and fast dual channel RAM in Ryzen G are we talking about?

On paper, 2200G with DDR4-3200 would have a slight advantage (51.2 GB/s vs 48.06), however in practice clear disadvantage because CPU will take part of it.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2954/geforce-gt-1030