You're still spending more money for an inferior solution (would not be buying a dual core in 2018). Vega iGPUs offer decent CPU performance since they are unlocked.. and the GPU performance is perfectly fine for some on the budget 1080p gaming. Pair it up with a cheap FreeSync monitor (I scored a Lenovo FreeSync monitor on Ebay for $79).. and I doub't you can do any better than that. Sure it's not the premium gaming experience PC is known for, but AdaptiveSync goes a long way in making it an enjoyable experience.For example, a lowly Pentium G4xxx paired with a GTX 1050, would literally get double the framerates of a 2400G, without the need for DDR4-3200+ RAM.
You're still spending more money for an inferior solution (would not be buying a dual core in 2018). Vega iGPUs offer decent CPU performance since they are unlocked.. and the GPU performance is perfectly fine for some on the budget 1080p gaming. Pair it up with a cheap FreeSync monitor (I scored a Lenovo FreeSync monitor on Ebay for $79).. and I doub't you can do any better than that. Sure it's not the premium gaming experience PC is known for, but AdaptiveSync goes a long way in making it an enjoyable experience.
Not to mention you also get the better upgrade path via AM4, or if you just got a discrete GPU later since the CPUs is an unlocked quad core (with SMT on the more expensive model).
Cheapest 2x 8GB DDR-4 2400MHz = $164
Cheapest 2x 8GB DDR-4 3200MHz = $193
Now lets assume by the time R5 2400G will launch in February 12 there will also be available cheap Intel Socket 1151 motherboards with KabyLake support.
So we will have the following (assuming Motherboard prices are the same for both AM4 / 1151)
Prices taken from newegg today 8th Jan 2018.
Core i3 8100 = $130
2x 8GB DDR-4 2400MHz = $164
GT 1030 2GB = $80
Total = $374
Ryzen R5 2400G = $170
2x 8GB DDR-4 3200MHz = $193
Total = $363
Assuming the Memory price difference remains the same in February, then the Ryzen 5 2400G vs Core i3 8100 + GT1030 is at the same price, with the same performance , with no Meltdown security hardware problems and the ability to upgrade up to 8x Core Ryzen 2 later on.
You compromise a lot to go for the GTX1050 and remain at the same budget as the Ryzen R5 2400G + 3200MHz memory.
2C 4T vs 4C 8T
slower memory , this will impact performance when you will upgrade to a faster dGPU
Meltdown
Worse upgradability. If you will upgrade to a faster GPU later on, then the 2C 4T Pentium will be obsolete for the faster dGPU.
Yes in numbers (fps) the Pentium + 1050 will be faster but the R5 2400G with FreeSync monitor will be as playable or perhaps even better(same Image Quality Settings).
AMD also announced today Vega Mobile products. There is one interesting part. It can be either dGPU, or monolithic APU, with HBM2:
https://videocardz.com/74712/amd-finally-announces-discrete-mobile-radeon-vega
The one with HBM2 stack?You mixed it up a little. It can be either Ryzen mobile APU (with DDR4), or dGPU packaged with HBM2.
The G4560 is on an EOL platform sadly(great budget CPU though). This is the same platform where the Core i7 CPUs are not cheap and secondhand prices in most of the world are still high and will continue to stay high as they are the best CPUs for the platform,and more and more G4560 owners will want to upgrade over the next few years as games run better on CPUs with more threads.
BTW, Ryzen 3 2200G is only $99:
https://www.pcper.com/files/news/2018-01-07/02_0.jpg
The Core i3 8100 RRP is $117,and the Pentium G4560 RRP is $64. You can't get a G4560 and graphics card combo which will beat a Ryzen 3 2200G overall for $100 in most markets worldwide.
AMD got their sample of the Ryzen 5 2400G to 1675MHZ for the integrated graphics,so it does appear you could also overclock the graphics on the Ryzen 3 and get a good boost in performance.
Even for the CPU part,you are looking at upto a 15% improvement over the Ryzen 3 1200,and single core benchmarks seem ahead of the Ryzen 5 1400:
https://www.pcper.com/image/view/88652?return=node/69029
Yes,the L3 cache is reduced,but there is only one CCX,which might help with certain applications like games for example.
Is the 3dMark Time Spy comparison chart with the i5-8400/GT1030 using stock ram for the AMD APU, or is it using 3600 ram?
R3 2200G looks like a good value (It's the A8-7600 of the Raven Ridge family).
However, I do wonder how this one will do in the OEM pre-built desktop market vs. sale priced Core i3 + customer (or even factory) added GT 1030.
R3 2200G looks like a good value (It's the A8-7600 of the Raven Ridge family).
However, I do wonder how this one will do in the OEM pre-built desktop market vs. sale priced Core i3 + customer (or even factory) added GT 1030.
https://www.pcper.com/image/view/88653?return=node/69029
Looking at the RRP,the Core i3 costs more than the Ryzen 3 2200G($117 vs $99),so unless it is some special deal,it is going to be Core i3 8100 against Ryzen 3 2200G with the same integrated graphics. Even if it was a G4560 PC,a G4560 and GT1030 will cost more unless it is a special deal,and looking at reviews if the PC uses a passive GT1030 it will score lower when compared to one with a fan.
The one with HBM2 stack?
Im talking about this one part. It can be either monolithic APU with HBM2, or dGPU with HBM2.
why is AMD keeping the Ryzen 5 1500X and Ryzen 3 1300X?
R3 2200G looks like a good value (It's the A8-7600 of the Raven Ridge family).
Only good value? The 2200G is unbelievable value. $99 for a modern 3.7GHz quad core* with a 512SP Vega IGP is absolutely mindblowing. Intel's Pentium/Celeron line-up just got obsoleted overnight.
If AMD really want to drive this home, they could release a budget 2C/4T with 256/384SP for ~$59...
*modern as in got AVX2 extensions. None of that stupid Intel instruction set segmentation.
I agree it is a good value, but I also know how steeply discounted OEM Intel Core i3 desktops can become.
And I do not have that right? Radeon Vega mobile is not in Raven APU? Therefore there cannot exist Vega Mobile with HBM2 in an APU?neblogai has it right.
It's a discrete chip but much more compact because it uses HBM2 rather than GDDR5. Hence Radeon Vega Mobile, not Radeon Vega APU.