AMD Ryzen 3000 Builders Thread

[MalVeauX]

@MalVeauX

AMD should be launching the new 12c and 16c Ryzen CPUs in October. Should. Can you wait two months?

Yessir, I can certainly wait. The question is though cost and motherboard cost to adopt the latest releases and if it's truly worth while (for the cost). Time is less crucial to me, as 2 months isn't going to change much for me, other than patience. I've waited this long to upgrade as it is. My current system works, I'm just looking to cut my processing time in half or better with the upgrade (which I've already confirmed will do so). I will look up the 12c & 16c you mentioned to try and learn more. Thanks!

Very best,

 

[DrMrLordX]

Yessir, I can certainly wait. The question is though cost and motherboard cost to adopt the latest releases and if it's truly worth while (for the cost). Time is less crucial to me, as 2 months isn't going to change much for me, other than patience. I've waited this long to upgrade as it is. My current system works, I'm just looking to cut my processing time in half or better with the upgrade (which I've already confirmed will do so). I will look up the 12c & 16c you mentioned to try and learn more. Thanks!

If you're set on a 3900x, prices should go down following the release of Vermeer, at least until supplies dry up. Prices on the 3900XT may even go down, though I'm less confident of that.

 

[Kenmitch]

If you're set on a 3900x, prices should go down following the release of Vermeer, at least until supplies dry up. Prices on the 3900XT may even go down, though I'm less confident of that.

The 3900XT is $429.99 at Microcenter currently without factoring in the $20 MB discount.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The 3900XT is $429.99 at Microcenter currently without factoring in the $20 MB discount.

Interesting. It was $499 at launch. I think people have figured out that it isn't much better than a 3900X.

 

[Kenmitch]

Interesting. It was $499 at launch. I think people have figured out that it isn't much better than a 3900X.

They sell the 3900X for $399.99 so it's not much more in the end. If I was to buy one or the other I'd get the 3900XT in the end.

 

[samboy]

They sell the 3900X for $399.99 so it's not much more in the end. If I was to buy one or the other I'd get the 3900XT in the end.

Except doesn't the 3900XT require an additional cooler purchase? Meaning that its more like a $60 difference in price when you factor in the cooler........ That's a 15% bump in price for around 1-2% extra performance right?

 

[Kenmitch]

Except doesn't the 3900XT require an additional cooler purchase? Meaning that its more like a $60 difference in price when you factor in the cooler........ That's a 15% bump in price for around 1-2% extra performance right?

I'd imagine most end users would be looking at higher performing solutions anyways.

 

[MalVeauX]

Hrm,

Looking at 3900X vs 3900XT, on Amazon right now its basically $430 vs $480 respectively. Not seeing a compelling reason for cost to go to the XT at 12% cost increase.

Very best,

 

[DrMrLordX]

3900XT isn't that much better. 3600XT vs 3600X? Sure, I'd probably get the 3600XT. If I couldn't wait until Nov/Dec to see the new Zen3 hexcore.

 

[MalVeauX]

So just thinking out loud, if I were purchasing today, I'm considering:

ASUS TUF X570+
Ballistix 32Gb (16x2) DDR4 3200 CL16
Ryzen 9 3900X AM4
Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe M.2 SSD

Though not purchasing today, I will likely wait to see what the fall release does with availability and prices, though I'm not expecting any major price drops on anything here. But availability and all that, and what refreshes.

Any thoughts on the Motherboard, RAM and SSD above?

Very best,

 

[scannall]

So just thinking out loud, if I were purchasing today, I'm considering:

ASUS TUF X570+
Ballistix 32Gb (16x2) DDR4 3200 CL16
Ryzen 9 3900X AM4
Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe M.2 SSD

Though not purchasing today, I will likely wait to see what the fall release does with availability and prices, though I'm not expecting any major price drops on anything here. But availability and all that, and what refreshes.

Any thoughts on the Motherboard, RAM and SSD above?

Very best,

The only change I'd make is going to DDR4 3600 since the price difference is minimal.

 

[DrMrLordX]

@scannall

I think that stuff is Hynix CJR, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Looks like Crucial has changed around some of their product SKUs so it's getting harder to tell where they're using Micron e-die (I can't find the AESC and AESK products for sale anymore). So that Ballistix RAM might be better from an OC point of view . . . I just can't tell what ICs are in it!

@MalVeauX

Try to find out of that RAM you're looking at is Micron e-die.

edit: Looks like the newer SKUs are also Micron e-die. I would go with a DDR4-3000 Crucial 2x16GB kit and overclock that stuff! Unless you really want to try out that Hynix CJR kit that scannall linked.

Look for SKUs like
BL2K16G30C15U4B

Crucial 32GB Ballistix DDR4 3000 MHz UDIMM Gaming Desktop Memory Kit (2 x 16GB, Black)

Buy Crucial 32GB Ballistix DDR4 3000 MHz UDIMM Gaming Desktop Memory Kit (2 x 16GB, Black) featuring 32GB (2 x 16GB) Capacity, 3000 MHz Clock Speed, PC4-24000, 288-Pin UDIMM, 1.35V, 15-16-16-35 Timings, Unbuffered, Non-ECC, Low Profile, XMP 2.0 Support. Review Crucial Ballistix

www.bhphotovideo.com

$124 until August 31st.

 

[MalVeauX]

Thanks all,

I will look at the different RAM options!

Very best,

 

[JimKiler]

Interesting. I wonder if those of us who are already using "undervolting" will benefit from the tool.

Depends on how good you are at under volting, this is a tool to take the guess work out of that manual process.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Depends on how good you are at under volting, this is a tool to take the guess work out of that manual process.

Well there's undervolting and then there's undervolting. The tool seems to lower power consumption a bit, while using negative offsets and/or inducing vdroop via low LLC settings doesn't.

 

[Kenmitch]

Well there's undervolting and then there's undervolting. The tool seems to lower power consumption a bit, while using negative offsets and/or inducing vdroop via low LLC settings doesn't.

It's probably more fun to play around on your own, but for those who give up the tool may be of some benefit.

Zen 3 rumor (read it somewhere) is bringing per core voltage adjustments. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get per core overclocking and and a higher IF included. I'd imagine the combo of all 3 would eliminate any advantage left for Intel.

 

[Noid]

New chip - swapped the 3800X for a 3900XT.
( just a chip and cooler swap )

Old = 3800X @ 101.4 @ IF 1900
New = 3900XT @ auto @ IF 1833
( Prime95 error free 10hrs -- 83C highest temp - on AIR )

I had to ignore most of the DRAM calculator numbers.

.. with interesting results so far ...

Depending on the " auto " tuning that is my config .. here are my AIDA64 scores.
( Look at the timing my MSI x570 wanted --- on AUTO for the 3900XT )

I hit over 60k ... the nanos are not bad either ( tolerable )

This chip idles HOT. --- looking for the solution ...

( Boost configuration - All Core not tested )

[EDIT] - This chip booted at IF 1900 and 1866 - but fails on P95
( as I raised IF... my bandwidth dropped also -> not like my 3800X )

 

[JimKiler]

I see there is a new microcode for X570 and B550 chipsets that is supposed to optimize Ryzen 3000 series

AMD Combo PI V2 1.1.0.0 BIOS Firmware Now Available For MSI 500 Series Motherboards With Support For Next-Gen Ryzen CPUs

MSI has just announced the release of the AMD Combo PI V2 1.1.0.0 BIOS Firmware which adds support for next-generation Ryzen CPUs.

wccftech.com

• Optimized compatibility for AMD Ryzen 3000-Series and Ryzen 4000 G-Series Desktop Processors and future AM4 socket processors
• Solve some specific OC failure issues
• Update SMU module
• Optimized DDR4 memory overclocking solution

Sounds like MSi will not update the B450 chipset.

 

[Det0x]

Have been playing around with the ClockTuner for Ryzen (CTR).

Think these are my new 24/7 settings for my 3950X (after alot of testing and tweaking)

CCX1 Quality 185 Frequency 4500 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX2 Quality 168 Frequency 4450 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX3 Quality 152 Frequency 4350 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX4 Quality 136 Frequency 4350 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=

Some bench values

Geekbench 4 @ https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15788677
Singlecore score = 6328
Multicore score = 64197

Geekbench 5 @ https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3983074
Singlecore score = 1366
Multicore score = 17184

Cinebench R20
Multicore score = 10486



Now i have something to compare against my "soon-to-be" Zen3 5950X

 

[Despoiler]

CTR is a pretty handy app to automate all core overclock. I got 200 CB20 points higher at a lower voltage on my 3700x. The problem is you have to want an all core overclock whilst disabling core boosting aka single thread performance. It's not better it just shifts the goal of how the processor works.

 

[Noid]

I see there is a new microcode for X570 and B550 chipsets that is supposed to optimize Ryzen 3000 series

EDIT - ComboAm4v2PI 1.0.8.1 was my last BIOS listed ( not BETA )

So, not available yet for mine

 

[Noid]

Have been playing around with the ClockTuner for Ryzen (CTR).

Think these are my new 24/7 settings for my 3950X (after alot of testing and tweaking)

CCX1 Quality 185 Frequency 4500 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX2 Quality 168 Frequency 4450 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX3 Quality 152 Frequency 4350 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=
CCX4 Quality 136 Frequency 4350 MHz Voltage 1325 mV OC=

Why remove the IF ratio from AIDA ?
( it still shows in the HWINFO @ 1636 )

Your bandwidth is not better at 1:1 ?

I just applied the CTR for the 1st time @ IF 1833 to mine

After applying the LLC mode 3 " requirement " ---- I ran Aida again
" Boost " climbed to 4775 OC with 64.8 ns at 59k

 

[Ajay]

I see there is a new microcode for X570 and B550 chipsets that is supposed to optimize Ryzen 3000 series

AMD Combo PI V2 1.1.0.0 BIOS Firmware Now Available For MSI 500 Series Motherboards With Support For Next-Gen Ryzen CPUs

MSI has just announced the release of the AMD Combo PI V2 1.1.0.0 BIOS Firmware which adds support for next-generation Ryzen CPUs.

wccftech.com

• Optimized compatibility for AMD Ryzen 3000-Series and Ryzen 4000 G-Series Desktop Processors and future AM4 socket processors
• Solve some specific OC failure issues
• Update SMU module
• Optimized DDR4 memory overclocking solution

Sounds like MSi will not update the B450 chipset.

Hmm, not sure if I will try a Beta bios again. Might wait till the release version, but getting my better dram overclocks back would be nice.

 

[Det0x]

Why remove the IF ratio from AIDA ?
( it still shows in the HWINFO @ 1636 )

What are you talking about ? I didn't remove anything.
Iam running a older version of AIDA that i got from a tracker (free), that's why it don't say anything about "north bridge clock".
v6.00.5100 vs your v6.25.5499

Your bandwidth is not better at 1:1 ?

I'm running 1:1 as HWinfo shows and my benchmark scores should tell you. (even bested dram calculator "best time" by 3 seconds)

Wondering if i should test the new fmax beta bios now

 

[Noid]

These values would be the same .... @ 1:1

I attached my current settings for an example.