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AMD Radeon 6970/6950 Retail Pictured, released Dec 13-17, $500/$375 pricing

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Teizo said:
This comment from Hilbert at Guru3d in his 570 review, who likely already has a 6950 in his hands, to me suggests that the 6950 is going to be faster than the reference 570:

"So, above you can see the GeForce GTX 570, the reference model. It will become available for roughly 349 USD / EUR though we expect it to level out at 329 USD/EUR after a few weeks."

I wouldn't be surprised to see AIB's bump the dual 6 pin connector to 8 and 6 and offer more expensive overclocked versions of the card which will match 6950 performance. I doubt the 6950 will beat the 570 by much, but if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it looks like it will nonetheless.
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How in the world did you reach that conclusion from that quote?

Holy smokes...
 
I dunno, reading ryan smith's conclusions at the end of the AT 570 launch article made me think that he didn't have any cayman's in hand and that he has no idea when he will even get one. In fact, if he does have them in hand then there is either some sort of crazy nda going on OR conspiracy theorists might actually have something on him. I'm going with none in hand or crazy nda.

Skurge said:
The late Lonbjerg making his last post at AT forums.
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LOL!! lonbjerg, I forgive you for you know not what you do.
 
OCGuy said:
How in the world did you reach that conclusion from that quote?

Holy smokes...
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Why would the price drop an expected additional $20 in the next few weeks? It could be the 6950 is entering the market soon and Nvidia may not be able to command the same price.

If that's not the case, then so be it. No need to get so damned riled up over it though. Sheesh... 😛
 
Techreport's conclusion:

Conclusions
The lowdown on the GeForce GTX 570 is pretty straightforward: performance on par with a GeForce GTX 480, power consumption and noise levels on par with a GTX 470, and a price tag of 350 bucks. The card's stock cooler is nice and quiet, too.
We would have liked to see the GTX 570 separate itself from last year's Radeon HD 5870 in several games where it simply could not, such as Bad Company 2 and StarCraft II. Still, in the overall picture, the GTX 570 is clearly a notch above cheaper solutions like the GeForce GTX 460 1GB and the Radeon HD 6870. At high resolutions and visual quality levels in some of the most demanding DX11 games, the GTX 570 cranks out appreciably higher frame rates. I'm not convinced making the leap up to a GTX 570 is worth doing if you're running a single display that's two megapixels or less—including the incredibly popular 1080p resolution. A single Radeon HD 6870 or GTX 460 is probably all you need for a couple of megapixels. If you're planning on playing games on a four-megapixels monster like the 30" Dell on our GPU test rig—and I highly recommend doing so, if you have the means—then the 570 is worthy of a long, hard look.
You can get higher performance for just a little more money out of a pair of Radeon HD 6850s in CrossFireX, and I suppose that's AMD's closest competing product offering right now. But again, the foibles of multi-GPU configs will be in play, as will the stark fact of looming obsolescence with the Radeon HD 6900 series imminent. We said a week ago that we wouldn't pull the trigger on a pair of 6850s right now, and we remain in that holding pattern.
Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned to this same channel for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed.
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busydude said:
Techreport's conclusion:
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It used to say: "Our final take on the GTX 570 will have to remain a work in progress for the same reason. Stay tuned next week for the next episode of GPU Wars, when the truth about the 2010 crop of graphics chips will finally be revealed."

It was pulled and changed. I'm thinking Techreport is going to get a trout slap for revealing too much.
 
jackstar7 said:
Or perhaps AMD will pull the NDA sooner to get the reviews up for 69xx before people spend their holiday cash.
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Why wouldn't AMD at least leak a legitimate-looking benchmark through a Chinese site today? At least do something....

If AMD indeed is about to re-take the single GPU crown, and they are staying silent through the 5XX launch, they need some marketing classes from nV.
 
OCGuy said:
Why wouldn't AMD at least leak a legitimate-looking benchmark through a Chinese site today?
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Contradiction right there 😛 hard for people to take things legitimately from Chinese sites fairly or unfairly

At least do something....

If AMD indeed is about to re-take the single GPU crown, and they are staying silent through the 5XX launch, they need some marketing classes from nV.
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You mean like "can of whoop ass"? Yep, that went well, and people were pissed.

Or like woodscrew Fermi edition? Yep, that went well, and people were pissed.

NV marketing hasn't always worked - in fact, most cards heavily hyped before launch in GPU history have ended up not faring so well. Unlike AMD, NV has the finances to screw those kinds of things up. AMD, on the other hand, has spent the last few years trying to recover its image.

And besides, with all the mystery and buzz around Cayman, it doesn't appear AMD needs to do a lot of PR work
 
OCGuy said:
Why wouldn't AMD at least leak a legitimate-looking benchmark through a Chinese site today? At least do something....

If AMD indeed is about to re-take the single GPU crown, and they are staying silent through the 5XX launch, they need some marketing classes from nV.
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If the 69xx parts are as far out as Fermi was when the 58xx, I would agree. If the 69xx is coming in a week, I can see why AMD isn't too worried about 'leaking' information.
 
busydude said:
[H] review seems.. a bit weird, 6870 beating 470? Is that the norm or am I missing something?
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They usually are a bit different from the general canned bench crop. Comes with the gameplay testing to much extent. But HD6870 did beat GTX470 in some reviews I believe. They are very close in performance.
 
Ha, looking at the [H] review, they are clearly going for a high ranking on google. lots of reference to the "geforce gtx 570" and such in there...

they're very clear that they'll have another review up next week for 69xx. hmmm...
 
biostud said:
more rumored specs and 15th as release date:

6950: 800Mhz unknown SP, 1GB 5Ghz ram
6970: 880Mhz unknown SP, 2GB 5,5Ghz ram

http://hwt.dk/newsdetails.aspx?NewsID=15785
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Those numbers are taken from nordichardware chart which is already proven to be fake

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Terrible fake. Can't even get Barts right.

Edit: beaten by chewietobbacca 😀
 
GTX470 was way more expensive than Barts 6870 and in a different class.
Just because NVDA had to slash its price to compete doesn't suddenly make them hardware equivalent.
 
AtenRa said:
Same goes for GTX480 and GTX570

Same goes for HD5850 and HD6870

so what ?? we are talking about them now and not 6 months ago

Today GTX470 is faster than HD6870 and at the same price
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But uses more power to accomplish the same goal. I don't see that as a win.
 
The 470 isn't any faster than the 6870 overall. It depends on which game/s and what settings, etc. They are functionally equivalent with their own feature sets to set them apart. Like nVidia GPU's in general though, the 470 is bigger and uses more power.
 
Hallowed_Dragon said:
But uses more power to accomplish the same goal. I don't see that as a win.
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AtenRa was responding to Will's post regarding the 470's price at launch, and was right in pointing out that it's irrelevant today.

Anyway: A "win"? The simple fact is both a 6870 and GTX 470 offer comparable price/performance now. One draws more power and offers slightly better gaming in certain situations. After that you have all the lovely brand-specific features to weigh in on...no one is declaring a "win" here in the first place, especially when they're such comparable values.

With regard to the original topic, either way the 6970 is going to be a 2011 part in Japan even if it makes it out next week in the States. Wish it wasn't so late to the party, but every delay makes me glad I didn't wait. I do hope the 6950 really is launching tomorrow as rumored, am very curious about what AMD is keeping so hushed about.
 
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