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AMD Radeon 6970/6950 Retail Pictured, released Dec 13-17, $500/$375 pricing

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.oO(I just wonder how come US gamers care about "effeciency"...when you look at MPG in average US cars...)

Kinda makes the whole "issue" seem very funny indeed...
 
20-30% more performance than Cypress at the same lithography (40nm) is very nice.

In order to have that, the die size will get bigger and 2GB of memory cost more than 1GB.

So, HD6970 will be close to $400-450
 
AtenRa said:
Nope, HD6870 is only faster at 2560x1600 at some instances.

Up to 1920x1200 (filters ON) GTX470 is always faster especially in DX-11 (Tessellation) games

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/38626-nvidia-geforce-gtx-570-review-15.html
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Computerbase, which is a great site for an overall performance figure of a card against another card, puts the 6870 at 2% faster than the 470 at 19x12 4xAA/16xAF. It really just depends which games are benched, and how they are benched. 2% is about margin of error anyways.
 
Will Robinson said:
GTX470 was way more expensive than Barts 6870 and in a different class.
Just because NVDA had to slash its price to compete doesn't suddenly make them hardware equivalent.
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I agree. AMD aimed the 6850 to compete with the GTX460 1gb, and the 6870 to the 470. What may have caught them by surprise is that instead Nvidia of dropping the 470's price they pushed overclocked 460's to compete instead.
 
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AtenRa said:
20-30% more performance than Cypress at the same lithography (40nm) is very nice.

In order to have that, the die size will get bigger and 2GB of memory cost more than 1GB.

So, HD6970 will be close to $400-450
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Logical thinking tells me otherwise. The architecture has been significantly improved. It would be a big FAIL for AMD to launch 2 new cards that are only 20-30% faster than Cypress.

Barts is a 255 mm2 chip that is 24% smaller than the 334mm2 Cypress XT yet is only 7% or so slower on average. If we take the improved efficiencies that were put in Barts and applied that to a chip of Cypress' size at 334 mm2, that would give it around the same performance level of a 480, a chip that is over 33% larger than Cypress... or 49% larger than Barts! AMD's chips are much smaller than Nvidia, so they have much more wiggle room to grow. If AMD aims for a monolithic GPU (420 mm2+, think R600) then all bets are off...
 
Lonbjerg said:
.oO(I just wonder how come US gamers care about "effeciency"...when you look at MPG in average US cars...)

Kinda makes the whole "issue" seem very funny indeed...
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When performance and price are comparable but one uses more power and puts out more heat it's worth factoring in my opinion. Most gamers don't have a problem with a card that uses a lot of power if it's faster than the competition.
 
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RussianSensation said:
You have been repeating this very same sentence for the last 1 month+. 100 divided by 75 = 33% faster. :hmm:

Based on compilations of various review websites (there was even an excel sheet prepared), more or less, the general consensus is that a GTX480 is about 15-20% faster than the HD5870 and the GTX580 is 15-20% faster than the 480. GTX580 is on average 35-40% faster compared to the HD5870, and even more in DX11 titles.

Powercolor has estimated HD6970 to be about 50% faster than HD6870, which put the 6970 within a GTX580, give or take 5-10%.
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Heaven Benchmark: AMD 6970 get's 36 FPS, Nvidia GTX 580 get's 44 FPS.
Performance should be even better in real world games.
 
tviceman said:
I don't see what you guys are so upset about if this turns out to be true. At 10-20% over gtx480, the 6970 would essentially be as fast as the gtx580 for $50 cheaper.
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My bad! I thought I read somewhere here the price will be 500$ for the 6970 and 400$ for the 6950.

Even so, I'm cheap, so I would like a 400$/300$ launch for the 6970/6950.
 
Vdubchaos said:
If that Fudzilla article is true then 6970 will be $299 and 6950 should be around $199 (I hope)
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Current MSRP of the 6850 is 190. You think the 6950 will be priced between the 6850 and 6870 (current msrp is 240)? I think you are dreaming there!

More likely pricing will be $270-299 6950 and $350-399 6970. My guess is the higher end of the scale but some of it will depend on Nvidias pricing responses and the general performance differences of the products.
 
Lonbjerg said:
.oO(I just wonder how come US gamers care about "effeciency"...when you look at MPG in average US cars...)

Kinda makes the whole "issue" seem very funny indeed...
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ha! very true. There is a big difference, however. In the US the roads are bigger/wider than in most other countries, there is generally much more space, and many people are wealthy enough that 30 mpg vs 25 mpg has absolutely no bearing on their auto purchase. Those same people would spend a few more $$ for greater performance in a video card as well if all else were equal. However, a louder/hotter/power hungry video card is often an inconvenience. For example, I live in south tx. I drive a big, gas-hog of a truck, but my gaming room tends to get very hot in the summer and I don't game with headphones so I highly value a quiet gpu. I still want something fast, however, so I went for a gtx 460. The gtx 470 isn't bad necessarily, but it is hurt by the comparison to 5870/6870 and also by the anti-halo effect from the gtx 480.
 
tviceman said:
I don't see what you guys are so upset about if this turns out to be true. At 10-20% over gtx480, the 6970 would essentially be as fast as the gtx580 for $50 cheaper.
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Because that means they wasted money on a new gen to only get 10-20% gains. They should have just overclocked the crap out of 5870 with some slight tweaks and made 5890. Why bother with a new architecture?

To be fair, I don't believe anything from the OP's link.
 
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Since these threads always end up silly, we do at least now have the fact that cards are in reviewers hands. From Hilbert @ Guru3D:

 
OCGuy said:
Because that means they wasted money on a new gen to only get 10-20% gains. They should have just overclocked the crap out of 5870 with some slight tweaks and made 5890. Why bother with a new architechture?

To be fair, I don't believe anything from the OP's link.
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Nope, nothing was wasted because when 28 nm comes out they will take this same architecture and roll with it.
 
OCGuy said:
Because that means they wasted money on a new gen to only get 10-20% gains. They should have just overclocked the crap out of 5870 with some slight tweaks and made 5890. Why bother with a new architecture?

To be fair, I don't believe anything from the OP's link.
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Because maybe they were limited by the cancellation of 32nm? They still pushed out the new gen that was designed for a smaller process and had to comprimise. Ask Nvidia how well pushing a new architecture on a fairly new process goes... So, this was AMD gets to push out the new architecture on a known process making the leap to 28nm easier.

And I also don't put any faith into current rumors. AMD has been pretty good about being all over the map with the pre-launch rumors. We just have to wait another week.
 
Lonbjerg said:
.oO(I just wonder how come US gamers care about "effeciency"...when you look at MPG in average US cars...)

Kinda makes the whole "issue" seem very funny indeed...
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Well it's a videocard forum. People talk GPUs.

Perf/cost, Perf/price, Perf/W, Perf/mm2 etc...

Diminishing importance of key parameters by ridiculing US consumers? Convincing...
 
tannat said:
Well it's a videocard forum. People talk GPUs.

Perf/cost, Perf/price, Perf/W, Perf/mm2 etc...

Diminishing importance of key parameters by ridiculing US consumers? Convincing...
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I wonder what he is doing on a US forum then.
 
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happy medium said:
Tcmagazine.com managed to score early listing of AMD's upcoming Cayman cards and the Franch retailer/e-tailer lists these two cards at €398.22 and €496.02.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/21152-amd-radeon-hd-6970/6950-listed-in-france
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Please keep fudzilla garbage links out this thread. Chiphell has a record of having good information unlike fudzilla, which is a troll site that posts outright lies and has a slant.

European pricing will not give any accurate reflection as it is subject to an already included obscene VAT.

Thanks.
 
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