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AMD R290 or Nvidia GTX 780?

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GTX Pros:

-both are able to run well over 60fps at ulta settings at 1440p in most games.
-much quieter

Radeon Pros:

-~$100 cheaper
-about 10% faster than GTX

Noise, temps etc are highly card dependent.

If you compare a Powercolor PCS+ or Sapphire Tri-X R290, you will have a hard time finding a custom card of 780 or other 290s that can match it in noise/temps.

Driver stability is a non issue for a long time now for both vendors (I haven't had a BSOD or random crashes for years now), especially for single card configs.

It will come down to price and features that you want. If the price is similar, I would go with the 780.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Switched from being a long-time DAMMiT user (X800GTO, X1950XT -> 8800GTS 320 -> 4850, 4890, 5850, 6970, 7970 -> 780) and can't say that I can complain about either side's driver quality/stability, and I almost always am behind on drivers by a couple of months.
 

blackened23

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The prices are comparable once you're comparing aftermarket 290s to aftermarket 780s, and both can be found on sale via techbargains and slickdeals on a regular basis. You will find discounted custom 780s for 450-480$ on a regular basis, same story for aftermarket 290s which I have seen around the 440-450$ mark on sale. The aftermarket 290s do not seem nearly as cheap in cost as reference for whatever reason, but they're still very competitively priced with good performance. The reference is heavily discounted but I would not suggest the reference due to heat and noise; pretty much you NEED aftermarket with the 290 if you want peace of mind. Anyway, I personally heavily prefer the 780 due to software, drivers, features, out of box ease of use, etc etc. The 7970s I owned a couple of years back were generally okay for single GPU but once you do anything outside of the "normal" such as 3d, crossfire (back then anyway) or eyefinity it all went to hell. AMD has improved a little since that time but not nearly enough, I find nvidia's software better so nvidia always wins by default until AMD makes a huge jump on the software side. Is NV perfect? No. Better? IMO, they are much better. The fact that some of these well documented software bugs took 6 months to 2 years to fix for the 7970s, yeah, AMD Doesn't excite me all too much these days. The 7970 isn't the 290, but the same software team serves both products, and the 7970 left a sour taste for me after having used eyefinity. As I said. AMD Doesn't excite me unless they make huge strides there, so we'll see in the future.

Also, GK110 is better when you factor overclocking in. If you look at max OC vs max OC reviews, GK110 is heavily favored. If you OC that can be something to consider. So my nod goes to the 780. But you just buy whatever you want to buy and go with your gut. Ask the internet for an opinion and you'll get a million different opinions. AMD offers comparable performance, very good performance in fact. I find the software end of things to be either bad or questionable, so my answer to that is: what good is great hardware (AMD always does make good hardware) when the software doesn't fit the bill. Reading stories of AMD 290 beta drivers doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, so, whatever. take that for what it's worth as my personal opinion. As a single GPU user you'd probably be fine. I think AMD generally does okay there, but once you step out of the "norm" and into an enthusiast setup such as surround, 3d, or what have you, perhaps problems will arise. And my take on that is a 50$ discount isn't worth having less features than I use on a regular basis (downsampling, adaptive vsync, etc) with potential hair pulling issues that just frustrate you. That certainly was the case with 7970s, I can also find various threads both on here and other forums with similar current issues with eyefinity on 290X, oddly enough. Of course NV isn't perfect. But I haven't had a situation of them taking a year or two to fix anything either. So yeah. Yet another worthless opinion to add to your collection of your opinions here : take this one for what it's worth. That has been my experience with AMD in general.
 
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el etro

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What? No. You haven't provided any evidence at all to support NVIDIA having better quality drivers or better stability. You've provided (a) irrelevant arguments and (b) opinions without any backing up.


Show this picture to anyone that says Nvidia has no driver problems.
2 years without they solving my problem. Had to deactivate hardware acceleration on both GTS450 and GTX670 with Firefox/IE to my system don't give me BlueScreen:


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I already rma'd once, they just send it back , cause they didnt see the error. Probably , they just dont test it under right conditions. Also these problems were common with R290 cards, i guess with the early ones. Some of them were solved with driver updates , some didn't .


It was a bad card, will not happen one more time.


Brand wise , EVGA seems to be a solid one on Nvidia side, sadly its not sold in my country. Zotac can be found easily. is it any good?

AMP! Versions give great performance/price but nothing more, EVGA have better warranty.
 
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wand3r3r

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The prices are comparable once you're comparing aftermarket 290s to aftermarket 780s, and both can be found on sale via techbargains and slickdeals on a regular basis. You will find discounted custom 780s for 450-480$ on a regular basis, same story for aftermarket 290s which I have seen around the 440-450$ mark on sale.

Looking at the prices today, I'm not seeing the deal/price gouge pricing.

Gougegg
780 $490+
290 custom $410+

That's a heck of a difference for an equal (or slower card?). There's no justifying that premium imo.

Amazon
780 $490+
290 $440+

$80 more for a green logo and the same experience.
:sneaky:

The aftermarket 290s do not seem nearly as cheap in cost as reference for whatever reason, but they're still very competitively priced with good performance. The reference is heavily discounted but I would not suggest the reference due to heat and noise; pretty much you NEED aftermarket with the 290 if you want peace of mind.
Not true since there's cheap aftermarket cards now.


Anyway, I personally heavily prefer the 780 due to software, drivers, features, out of box ease of use, etc etc.

The 7970s I owned a couple of years back were generally okay for single GPU but once you do anything outside of the "normal" such as 3d, crossfire (back then anyway) or eyefinity it all went to hell. AMD has improved a little since that time but not nearly enough, I find nvidia's software better so nvidia always wins by default until AMD makes a huge jump on the software side. Is NV perfect? No. Better? IMO, they are much better. The fact that some of these well documented software bugs took 6 months to 2 years to fix for the 7970s, yeah, AMD Doesn't excite me all too much these days. The 7970 isn't the 290, but the same software team serves both products, and the 7970 left a sour taste for me after having used eyefinity. As I said. AMD Doesn't excite me unless they make huge strides there, so we'll see in the future.
Report back when you have a 290 / 290 crossfire to add anything relevant and not just legacy gripes. Why imply that 7970 crossfire is similar when it isn't. AMD not only fixed crossfire to SLI standards, it even exceeds SLI in some cases too. (XDMA, read about it).

Also, GK110 is better when you factor overclocking in. If you look at max OC vs max OC reviews, GK110 is heavily favored.
Hardly according to the largest statistics we have, hwbot. Remember the 780 needs more clock to equal the 290.

780 oc avg 1175/1967MHz based on 6,483 submissions
290 oc avg 1131/1847MHz based on 1,116 submissions

On that note I still feel like the 780 clocks a bit better, but that's hard to quantify.

If you OC that can be something to consider. So my nod goes to the 780. But you just buy whatever you want to buy and go with your gut. Ask the internet for an opinion and you'll get a million different opinions. AMD offers comparable performance, very good performance in fact.

I find the software end of things to be either bad or questionable, so my answer to that is: what good is great hardware (AMD always does make good hardware) when the software doesn't fit the bill.

Based on what exactly, some other cards then the 290?

Reading stories of AMD 290 beta drivers doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, so, whatever. take that for what it's worth as my personal opinion.

I guess you have you must not have noticed the NV driver issues in the forums? Neither side is faultless in the end.

As a single GPU user you'd probably be fine. I think AMD generally does okay there, but once you step out of the "norm" and into an enthusiast setup such as surround, 3d, or what have you, perhaps problems will arise.

Based on hearsay? Seems awfully one sided, I've noticed a number of issues lately on the green side according to the threads here lately. Either way I'm not going to tell someone not to buy a green card based on hearsay unless it obviously impedes something.

And my take on that is a 50$ discount isn't worth having less features than I use on a regular basis (downsampling, adaptive vsync, etc) with potential hair pulling issues that just frustrate you. That certainly was the case with 7970s, I can also find various threads both on here and other forums with similar current issues with eyefinity on 290X, oddly enough. Of course NV isn't perfect. But I haven't had a situation of them taking a year or two to fix anything either. So yeah. Yet another worthless opinion to add to your collection of your opinions here : take this one for what it's worth. That has been my experience with AMD in general.

Cool story, but this is about 290's.

Why not spend more time talking about what you know (780) and less about supposed flaws which you don't have experience with (290)? It seems like a constant negative twist on the other side (while not even knowing what it's like with the new cards/sw), but maybe that's just me misreading it? :sneaky:

@OP no issues here, 290x crossfire. I would go aftermarket though for noise concerns.

On a side note, ASSUS RMA = horrible, good luck. Next time avoid them, I can foresee headaches dealing with them.
 
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780/ti do OC really well with modded bioses, I think a 780 at 1.35 ghz boost would beat a R290 at 1.2ghz. It is an advantage, but only for those who actually flash bioses and go for extreme OC.

But since OP didn't factor that in, driver stability wise there is no difference and I've used both NV and AMD this generation.
 

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The core clocks seem about right, but the memory clocks are suspect. I have never seen a 290 hit a memory clock of 1847MHz and most GTX 780's won't hit 1967MHz on the memory side.


From Termie's testing we saw the GTX 780 Ti on average about 12-15% faster clock per clock vs. the GTX 780.
@ 1080 and 1440
I will have to find it, but I read another article showing the 290X being 6-7% slower than a GTX 780 Ti clock per clock. @ 1080 and 1440

Does anyone know how much faster the 290X is clock per clock vs. the R 290?
 
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railven

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I voted 780 because that's the route I went. Driver stability? Frankly I've had more issues when I had 660 ti sli versus 7970 cfx but end of it single cards both behaved fine.

Girlfriend has had a 680 since launch and she's had no issues.

Good luck on your decision.
 

ultimatebob

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R9 290 for Civilization: Beyond Earth

I'm going to spend like 300 hours in that game, why would I gimp myself by buying an Nvidia card?

Buying an expensive video card for a game that hasn't been release yet is always a gamble. The game might end up sucking, and the performance gains promised by Mantle might end up being less than a 5% improvement.

Besides, NVidia might have their own driver improvements by then. You never know.
 

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The performance gains using the Mantle API in BF4 multi were pretty damn good.
Why not reasonably expect a fair bit more than 5% In the new Civ?
Sure their drivers may improve but as that recent "super driver" showed,a few driver tweaks barely makes a dent on the Mantle advantage.
 

Elfear

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The core clocks seem about right, but the memory clocks are suspect. I have never seen a 290 hit a memory clock of 1847MHz and most GTX 780's won't hit 1967MHz on the memory side.

Agreed. For some reason HWBot doesn't read the memory clocks correctly.

Does anyone know how much faster the 290X is clock per clock vs. the R 290?
From what I've read somewhere around 5-7% depending on the game.
 

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Im currently using r9 290 gaming from msi. Quite dissappointed with the driver. Ive tried all the driver and had stuttering problem at certain games ecspecially dota 2.
 

Phynaz

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I've encountered bugs with both a gtx780 and r9 290. I at times get the black screen bug on my 290, and with my gtx780 I had bugs and crashes involved alt tabbing for some reason.

This matches my experience.

Frankly as far as stability is concerned they are equal.
 

nitromullet

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Personally, I wouldn't get a new R9 290 right now. The going rate for used ones is around $350 so you lose about $100 the moment you click 'check out'. Couple the deluge of used 290s with the usual high depreciation of AMD cards, and these cards will be dirt cheap in a few months. I'm expecting $350 (perhaps less amir) new cards and $200-250 used cards.
 

Atreidin

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Assuming one did get a used 290 right now, it might be wise to invest in a new cooler, since most likely you'd be buying a heavily used reference board.

What would be a good aftermarket cooler to add to a used reference 290? It would be nice to get one that doesn't take up 3-4 slots. Add that cost to the cost of the board and see how it compares to buying new.
 

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Assuming one did get a used 290 right now, it might be wise to invest in a new cooler, since most likely you'd be buying a heavily used reference board.

What would be a good aftermarket cooler to add to a used reference 290? It would be nice to get one that doesn't take up 3-4 slots. Add that cost to the cost of the board and see how it compares to buying new.

You can get good deals on used aftermarket 290's below are two Sapphire Tri-X 290's that sold for $350.00 yesterday. I thought about getting one but do not like risking buying a VC off e-bay (bad experience) and also they most likely have been used for mining which I frown on imo. The other thing I am pretty sure the Sapphire warranty on these cards is only for the original owner so no warranty on the below used cards, but the prices are tempting! :)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-TR...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-TR...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
 
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WhoBeDaPlaya

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That is cheap. Originally wanted to go for aftermarket 290s, but couldn't resist the 780s at ~$380/390 a pop.
 

nitromullet

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That is cheap. Originally wanted to go for aftermarket 290s, but couldn't resist the 780s at ~$380/390 a pop.

That's a great deal on a 780! I got mine for $430 shipped and I was pretty pleased with that. I specifically wanted a reference cooler from a manufacturer with a 3 year, no receipt warranty though so perhaps that's why I didn't find anything sub-$400.
 

MtSeldon

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I've encountered bugs with both a gtx780 and r9 290. I at times get the black screen bug on my 290, and with my gtx780 I had bugs and crashes involved alt tabbing for some reason.
Actually -if we are talking about the same bs-i wouldnt even call "black screen" a bug, its malfunctining of the hardware, may cause you to lose files, work . Also makes the computer unusable .

alt-tabbing is a bug, but still you can use your computer , right?
 

VulgarDisplay

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Actually -if we are talking about the same bs-i wouldnt even call "black screen" a bug, its malfunctining of the hardware, may cause you to lose files, work . Also makes the computer unusable .

alt-tabbing is a bug, but still you can use your computer , right?

My black screen only occur when the monitor goes to sleep.
 

MtSeldon

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That's not the black screen ,r290 some early users are complaining. It is caused by VRAM,powertune tech of R290 series.

Yours is a known driver problem, afaik it is solved with the new beta drivers.
 

Attic

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I like the 290x vs 780 comparison a bit more, but I don't really see a decent place for a buyer to get the 780 vs a 290 or 290x.

I think the 290 is a better value and performance card than the 780. If you are into the driver and software and xxx debate I think the comparison swings whichever way the windblows, but on paper the 290 is the better card.

If going up a step from the 290 then I think the 780ti is the card to get due to it's known clocking capabilities. Only extra consideration there would be multi gpu multi screen setup where the 4gb vs 3gb mem is worth extra consideration favoring the 290/290x despite their raw speed loss to the 780ti.
 
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Here's a recent with recent drivers, OC vs OC R290X vs 780ti:
http://hardocp.com/article/2014/04/14/gigabyte_r9_290x_oc_asus_gtx_780_ti_dcuii_review

R290X = 1,115mhz
780ti Boost = 1,211mhz

The 780ti won but by a small margin.

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It's biggest win came in Crysis 3, which is obviously expected!
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It will be game dependent ofc, but Computerbase.de has a much larger suite of games tested with both the latest drivers, they have the boost clocks on the 780ti around 1ghz matching the R290X.

The data on this chart did not included BF4 with Mantle, but DX11 mode only:
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Note how close they perform clock for clock. (Max) = power limited raised, 100% fan speed, or letting it boost to whatever it wants, for AMD it prevents throttling below 1ghz.

The R290 is very close to the R290X clock for clock. Certainly the difference between 780 vs 780ti clock for clock is larger.
 

MtSeldon

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I tought about buying a 780ti, but the price difference is not worth the performance gain. I use it at 1080 , R290 is fast enough. I may need more graphics power once the Oculus Rift is out, but by that time new cards maybe ready.

Does R290,R290X series have a problem in UEFI mode? I see in forums, using in legacy mode is adviced ?