AMD R290 or Geforce GTX 780?

[MtSeldon]

This question may have been asked before (maybe a thousand times) but my priority is not speed or price ,but the stability and driver quality.

I want to play my games at the highest quality but i also use this computer for other work related stuff and i don't want an unstabile , problematic system.

I own a Asus R290 at the moment . Im sending it back (again) to RMA . it has this black screen problem. Is this problem very common, also do newer cards with special cooling options also have this Black screen thing?

Also card is very prone to freezes, bsod , video decoding defects. I don't know if this is a driver problem or a hardware problem.

So if you value driver and software quality, stability . Which one would you choose ? AMD OR Nvidia?

 

[lehtv]

Freezing and BSOD etc is a hardware problem for sure. You got unlucky with the Asus card, it happens.

If I value driver quality and stability, I pick between NVIDIA and AMD. I've used both brands and had similar results. I have yet to see any evidence that would sway me to either camp, though I imagine the majority of people would be inclined to say NVIDIA if they had to choose.

 

[desprado]

I have both and i say should go for gtx 780 for many reason.

 

[lehtv]

I have both and i say should go for gtx 780 for many reason.

Please elaborate, what reasons?

 

[NewYorksFinest]

GTX Pros:

-both are able to run well over 60fps at ulta settings at 1440p in most games.
-much quieter

Radeon Pros:

-~$100 cheaper
-about 10% faster than GTX

 

[desprado]

Please elaborate, what reasons?

Less noise,Better Cooling,Better Overclocking,Well and better optimized game support,Much better Driver,PhysX,DX 11 MT.

I bought R9 290 CF for Mantle and i disappointed because with new Nvidia Driver even Bf4 is running 3 to 4 fps better than R9 290 with Mantle.

 

[Fastx]

I had cards from both Nvidia and AMD over the last 12 months and I would have no problem going with either card. I am in the process of switching back over to AMD it looks like. The one thing I am really going to miss is Shadow Play, I used it lot, really liked it and I am going to miss that imo!

I never had the black screen problem when I had my 7950's but now that you bring that up I need to research it. I heard about it but am kind of clueless about right now and kind of though that problem was fixed by now.

GTX Pros
Overclocking head room stock volts.
Custom Bios per voltage for oc'ing
Shadow play.

290 Pros
4GB
Mantle to a small degree imo.
1440p-1600p seems to scale better (FPS) oc imo from what I seen if upgrading in the future which I might.
1150 -1200+ OC seems to scale good for reference 780 ti performance or above imo.

EDIT- added AT's BM on a Tri X 290 oc to 1125 per reference 780 ti.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/5

 

[lehtv]

Less noise,Better Cooling,Better Overclocking,Well and better optimized game support,Much better Driver,PhysX,DX 11 MT.

Noise, cooling and overclocking depend on the graphics card brand, the components on the PCB and the cooler design.

I bought R9 290 CF for Mantle and i disappointed because with new Nvidia Driver even Bf4 is running 3 to 4 fps better than R9 290 with Mantle.

The OP said nothing about Mantle or running Crossfire. In fact none of what you said seems to be relevant to the OP who is interested in driver stability:

So if you value driver and software quality, stability . Which one would you choose ? AMD OR Nvidia?

 

[el etro]

290 Pros:
Price

290 Bad:
Noise (Buy a custom version of this card and be happy, don't buy the reference card unless you are making a great deal doing this).



GTX 780 Pros:
Power Consumption
Heavily OCed custom cards available(GHZ ed, AMP!, Classified) at good prices.

 

[desprado]

Noise, cooling and overclocking depend on the graphics card brand, the components on the PCB and the cooler design.



The OP said nothing about Mantle or running Crossfire. In fact none of what you said seems to be relevant to the OP who is interested in driver stability:

I am talking about single card performance

Gtx 780(337.50) in Bf4 all max out(4 MSAA)@ 1080p

avg around 77 fps

R9 290 with mantle with same settings

avg around 73 to 74 fps

note plz these benchmark are done in MP maps

Both cards were custom.

 

[Techhog]

I'm shocked that so many people here still act as if only reference R9 290s are available...

 

[parvadomus]

Current AMD drivers are pretty good, in fact I have not any of that problems with my GPU. It looks like you have a broken VGA.
Having said that both GPUs are strong, I would choose the cheapest or if you play BF4 the 290 for obvious reasons.

 

[Gloomy]

R9 290 for Civilization: Beyond Earth

I'm going to spend like 300 hours in that game, why would I gimp myself by buying an Nvidia card?

 

[96Firebird]

When you get your RMA'd card back, try it out. If you still have problems, switch over to the 780 and see if the problems persist.

 

[3DVagabond]

I am talking about single card performance

Gtx 780(337.50) in Bf4 all max out(4 MSAA)@ 1080p

avg around 77 fps

R9 290 with mantle with same settings

avg around 73 to 74 fps

note plz these benchmark are done in MP maps

Both cards were custom.

Do we have minimums? Is there a link?

OP, what's the rest of your system specs?

 

[lehtv]

*blah blah*

Well done ignoring my point about the fact that nothing you're saying is relevant to the OP

 

[MtSeldon]

When you get your RMA'd card back, try it out. If you still have problems, switch over to the 780 and see if the problems persist.

I already rma'd once, they just send it back , cause they didnt see the error. Probably , they just dont test it under right conditions. Also these problems were common with R290 cards, i guess with the early ones. Some of them were solved with driver updates , some didn't .

I'm looking at that Sapphire R290 Vapor X . It looks quite good , if AMD drivers are solid , then i may give another shot to AMD .

Brand wise , EVGA seems to be a solid one on Nvidia side, sadly its not sold in my country. Zotac can be found easily. is it any good?

 

[lehtv]

Zotac is okay, though I'd pick Sapphire over Zotac any day. All my Radeons have been Sapphires and they've all been awesome, the current one being a Vapor-X 7950.

 

[desprado]

Do we have minimums? Is there a link?

OP, what's the rest of your system specs?

Same specs as u see down at my signature.

 

[desprado]

Well done ignoring my point about the fact that nothing you're saying is relevant to the OP

So u mean to say Stuttering,More heat,Less optimization with more problems,Worst MT support is best way to go now i understand ur point.

Op is talking about driver and software quality, stability so a blind person can also answer this.

 

[3DVagabond]

Same specs as u see down at my signature.

I was asking the OP's specs.

I was asking you if you have minimum framerates for the benches you posted, and/or a link? Frame times would be good too.

 

[desprado]

I was asking the OP's specs.

I was asking you if you have minimum framerates for the benches you posted, and/or a link? Frame times would be good too.

Sir Min both are under 55 fps and but Max Nvidia mostly goes to 90 fps.
i will post images, but if i use Shadow play than it will decrease around 7 to 9% performance that is why i dont make a video and also i dont how make video for R9 290.

 

[3DVagabond]

Sir Min both are under 55 fps and but Max Nvidia mostly goes to 90 fps.
i will post images, but if i use Shadow play than it will decrease around 7 to 9% performance that is why i dont make a video and also i dont how make video for R9 290.

It's OK, I don't need benches from your system. I thought you were reporting 3rd party benches. Seeing the results of your system alone won't really help. It's just that avg. only doesn't tell the whole difference between DX and Mantle. Mantle improves minimums and frametimes, as well.

 

[lehtv]

So u mean to say

I haven't said anything about which is better, you're the one making all the claims.

Stuttering,More heat,Less optimization with more problems,Worst MT support

I already refuted your point about heat. It is both irrelevant to the thread as well as dependent on card brand and cooling.

This was the first time you mentioned anything about stuttering. What stuttering?

What do these alleged optimization problems have to do with driver stability?

And what's this about worse MT support? Elaborate

Op is talking about driver and software quality, stability so a blind person can also answer this.

What? No. You haven't provided any evidence at all to support NVIDIA having better quality drivers or better stability. You've provided (a) irrelevant arguments and (b) opinions without any backing up.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I've encountered bugs with both a gtx780 and r9 290. I at times get the black screen bug on my 290, and with my gtx780 I had bugs and crashes involved alt tabbing for some reason.

BF4 would constnantly launch in a window for me on the gtx780 and I would have to click it about 10 times in rapid succession for the game to go full screen. That bug while annoying is probably not as bad as the black screen crash I get on the 290's.

Long story short, no matter what anyone tells you on these forums both companies have problems still, and will continue to have problems.