AMD Polaris Thread: Radeon RX 480, RX 470 & RX 460 launching June 29th

[tential]

there was a study that showed people had a part of their brain stimulated as religious people when it comes to brand names. it was conducted on apple fans. you can easily google it.

it is pretty scary. it is akin to brain washing like religions.

To get people to switch brands will be hard and AMD needs to have a KILLER deal. A slightly better 390x at $300 isn't a killer deal that gets people to switch brands.

It's not even a killer deal to get many AMD fans to upgrade.

The price conscious market is not the one AMD is going to aim and get killer results.

We need a does anyone plan to get P10 poll similar to the GTX 1080 poll.

 

[Slaughterem]

To get people to switch brands will be hard and AMD needs to have a KILLER deal. A slightly better 390x at $300 isn't a killer deal that gets people to switch brands.

It's not even a killer deal to get many AMD fans to upgrade.

The price conscious market is not the one AMD is going to aim and get killer results.

We need a does anyone plan to get P10 poll similar to the GTX 1080 poll.

Yea that makes sense, lets get a bunch of enthusiast's who don't mind spending $700 to $1000 on a gpu and see which card they would purchase. I think then you should maybe go out on a limb and give us a prediction of what the results will be.

 

[boozzer]

polls require gaming benchmarks first.

 

[sze5003]

I've owned both brands of the cards and I dunno I always buy on the dollar vs performance ratio. Whatever I'm willing to spend that will give me the best performance.

That's why it sucks I'll have to wait to see what amd comes up with to check their prices. For me it's either 1070 or polaris equivalent, whichever is priced better if they are similar.

If amd comes out with something that's close to the 1080 but better price I'll go that route.

 

[topmounter]

I'm hoping for 480 w/ 90% 1070 performance at $249 and 90% 1080 performance CFx2.

 

[tential]

Yea that makes sense, lets get a bunch of enthusiast's who don't mind spending $700 to $1000 on a gpu and see which card they would purchase. I think then you should maybe go out on a limb and give us a prediction of what the results will be.

Already giving excuses for the AMD cards?

Enthusiasts who don't mind spending $700+ aren't the only people on this forum...

I'm hoping for 480 w/ 90% 1070 performance at $249 and 90% 1080 performance CFx2.

This is what I expect from the price/performance crowd, and AMD will have a good price/performance part, but not enough of a deal to make people run out and get it. When price drops/holiday sales come, that's when the price/performance crowd will be interested.

What person who is extremely price/performance conscious is running out to get GPUs on launch day? Even if the 1060 is 2 months late to the party, they're ok.

 

[C@mM!]

Already giving excuses for the AMD cards?

Enthusiasts who don't mind spending $700+ aren't the only people on this forum...

In the market segment that Polaris will be in, it'll most likely be a great buy. Small dies mean big yields means cheaper cards.

I don't know why people are being bitchy about this, cheap cards than can run well will only help PC gaming in the long run.

As for Nvidia, the 1080 I think is a charade. It reeks of a reactionary architecture, clocked high ala Netburst to make up for deficiencies. I might not be so bitchy about it however, except for the ridiculous price gouging going along with it as well.

 

[Silverforce11]

Its 379$ to 699$. No matter how many times you write it wrong it wont be right.

If and when the 1070 is available for $379, I will use that price. Until then, the only ones launching on the 10th as far as claimed, is the FE $449.

Just like the only 1080 launching now is the FE $699.

You guys are imagining the mass low-end and mainstream a) can afford and b) will go over their budget for a 1070. Hasn't happened. The mass market is still down there in prices.

Did you guys forget even NV's own numbers late last year, they said ~70% of their own user-base is still on Kepler or older and not moved onto Maxwell.

This narrative that a mainstream GPU must match a mid-range and high-end expensive GPU is just so much wrong that people who keep on making these assertions must think the masses can simply afford luxury goods above their pay grade just because.

If you want to frame it the correct way, it's actually NVIDIA that hasn't got any competition for Polaris because GP106 and GP107 isn't here. Likewise, AMD hasn't got any competition for GP104 because Vega isn't here either. -_-

 

[tential]

If and when the 1070 is available for $379, I will use that price. Until then, the only ones launching on the 10th as far as claimed, is the FE $449.

Just like the only 1080 launching now is the FE $699.

You guys are imagining the mass low-end and mainstream a) can afford and b) will go over their budget for a 1070. Hasn't happened. The mass market is still down there in prices.

Did you guys forget even NV's own numbers late last year, they said ~70% of their own user-base is still on Kepler or older and not moved onto Maxwell.

This narrative that a mainstream GPU must match a mid-range and high-end expensive GPU is just so much wrong that people who keep on making these assertions must think the masses can simply afford luxury goods above their pay grade just because.

If you want to frame it the correct way, it's actually NVIDIA that hasn't got any competition for Polaris because GP106 and GP107 isn't here. Likewise, AMD hasn't got any competition for GP104 because Vega isn't here either. -_-

I didn't, and neither did Nvidia. Nvidia is very very smart. They know full well those who are not upgrading are the extremely price conscious. These people aren't going to upgrade just because Polaris looks attractive. They will WAIT and see what else is out. Then, they'll wait for a good sale. Then, they'll decide if they even need a new GPU to game at whatever resolution/lowered textures they use.

Then, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, they buy a P10 GPU, but that's if they weren't upsold on the 1070 already (Which many will believe it or not and the price will drop closer to $380 by the time P10 releases) or waiting for/buying the 1060.

Nvidia doesn't target the mainstream market with priority because they don't spend money GPUs at the same rate high end customers do.

 

[topmounter]

What person who is extremely price/performance conscious is running out to get GPUs on launch day?

Me apparently. I've never spent more than $300 on a video card over the years and I'd rather not start now if I can help it.

 

[Elixer]

Me apparently. I've never spent more than $300 on a video card over the years and I'd rather not start now if I can help it.

Usually, when something new comes out, there is a big clear out sale for the last generation stuff, and that is when most people upgrade that I have seen.

Lots of people don't care for the newest, and are still using 1080p or lower monitors, and the last generation cards are pretty darn good at that resolution, and the price is really hard to beat, which is where I would expect you to be looking at.

As for the polaris NDA, that doesn't really mean much, they can shrink or extend the deadline at will. Heck, it could also be someone's idea of a prank to write a false date. We just don't know.
It is hard to hide boxes from AIBs though, those pass through all sorts of shipping places, and you know those get leaked all the time.
I expect the same here, though, no idea on the time frame.

 

[ZZZAAA]

Is there a Vega 10 and Vega 11? I'm confused because I just read Navi would be the successor to Vega and not the Fury/X. Does that mean we can only expect 470/X, 480/X, and 490/(X?) from AMD for this round or what?

 

[mohit9206]

I feel NDA for reviews being end of June means they know they've got a dud on their hands. You see because if they were confident in their product they would lift the NDA as soon as possible so that all those millions of people ready to buy 1070 would read the positive reviews of Polaris and decide to wait for it instead.
With NDA so late most people will have already bought 1070 since no reviews for Polaris that they could find.

 

[ZZZAAA]

I feel NDA for reviews being end of June means they know they've got a dud on their hands. You see because if they were confident in their product they would lift the NDA as soon as possible so that all those millions of people ready to buy 1070 would read the positive reviews of Polaris and decide to wait for it instead.
With NDA so late most people will have already bought 1070 since no reviews for Polaris that they could find.

What are they going to talk about at computex? Are they going to show benchmarks or release dates and prices?

 

[R0H1T]

I feel NDA for reviews being end of June means they know they've got a dud on their hands. You see because if they were confident in their product they would lift the NDA as soon as possible so that all those millions of people ready to buy 1070 would read the positive reviews of Polaris and decide to wait for it instead.
With NDA so late most people will have already bought 1070 since no reviews for Polaris that they could find.

You trolling bro, hard to say when you're serious & when you're not :hmm:

 

[mohit9206]

You trolling bro, hard to say when you're serious & when you're not :hmm:

Actually i take back that word "dud".I'm just saying probably they are not very confident if the NDA date is so late when they need all the positive press as soon as possible before 1070 comes out.

 

[GIS]

My XFX HD 6950 2GB still holding up pretty well, maxed out games I play at 1080p so I don't feel the urge to upgrade this summer.

But eventually I want to pick up a new card, R9 490X or GTX 1080 whichever is cheaper.

How much performance gain am I looking from these new GPU?

I'm mostly play League of Legends, but there are few new games I want to play, XCOM2, The Flame in the Flood, The Banner Saga series, and Hard West.

 

[Elixer]

Actually i take back that word "dud".I'm just saying probably they are not very confident if the NDA date is so late when they need all the positive press as soon as possible before 1070 comes out.

So, you are saying you want them to paper launch it now, and then in late June, ship the cards? (If it is late June I mean).
Seems they can't win either way.

If I was in charge of AMD's marketing, I would have been dropping hints all throughout the month of May and June.
Then again, AMD's marketing is about as bad as it gets. Never did understand why they do half the stuff they do.

 

[R0H1T]

My XFX HD 6950 2GB still holding up pretty well, maxed out games I play at 1080p so I don't feel the urge to upgrade this summer.

But eventually I want to pick up a new card, R9 490X or GTX 1080 whichever is cheaper.

How much performance gain am I looking from these new GPU?

I'm mostly play League of Legends, but there are few new games I want to play, XCOM2, The Flame in the Flood, The Banner Saga series, and Hard West.

My guess is at least 3x as fast, for the p10, with gaming at higher resolutions giving even better returns.

The GTX1080 will be fairly expensive for the foreseeable future, so unless you want to spend in excess of 600$ then the 1070 or top end p10 is the GPU to get, the latter will likely be cheaper still as compared to the 1070.

 

[sweetusernames]

I'm amazed, AMD has mentioned expanding the VR TAM, having really fast GPUs priced as mainstream, perf/$, and perf/watt, and built up these expectations so much, that I am actually underwhelmed that P10 might just be slightly faster than the 390x. That's how much hype they've instilled into me. Even though that would be completely in line with what they said if they price it at $250 or lower. Polaris still isn't out yet though and hopefully they can still surprise.

 

[Nachtmaer]

My guess is at least 3x as fast, for the p10, with gaming at higher resolutions giving even better returns.

That seems a reasonable guess. Back when I was looking to upgrade from my HD6850, my rough estimate was that the 290 was about 3 times faster as well. If P10 ends up somewhere inbetween the 390X and Fury then it should be a fairly similar jump in performance.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

I'm amazed, AMD has mentioned expanding the VR TAM, having really fast GPUs priced as mainstream, perf/$, and perf/watt, and built up these expectations so much, that I am actually underwhelmed that P10 might just be slightly faster than the 390x. That's how much hype they've instilled into me. Even though that would be completely in line with what they said if they price it at $250 or lower. Polaris still isn't out yet though and hopefully they can still surprise.

I think with the VR TAM thing they were trying to set more realistic expectations, a mainstream card that meets the requirements set by the VR headsets. So 970/290 or faster, for a mainstream price.

But it didn't work, a bit later people started spreading the 980Ti performance for $300 rumor.

 

[3DVagabond]

This is where we begin to agree. Because Nvidia isn't going to leave these prices as is. Already AIBs want to go lower than 699 on the 1080 with vastly superior cards than the founder's edition.

If I'm spending $250 on a GPU, and a Titan X 1070 is available with the ability to OC quite well with an AIB cooler for $380, it's not out of reach.

This is $100 extra dollars for many people. It's not the end of the world. Nvidia can DEFINITELY upsell people to the 1070.

And as Shintai said, "That's the big revenue."

That's why Nvidia releases the bigger chips first. Because if they can get people to upsell on themselves, or get them to buy cards they don't need, just because they want something new to tide themselves over or whatever the reason, they can get people to potentially triple dip (1080> Titan regodliked> 1080ti).

Why doesn't Nvidia target the middle class gamer, where 90% of the population resides? Because they are price conscious.

Those people that are die hard midrange purchasers don't rush out to buy a GPU at launch day. That's why Nvidia doesn't focus on them.

This narrative that AMD is going to corner the market by launching a killer price/performance GPU that people will rush out and buy is just not going to happen.

I just had a hardcore gamer come up to me with an FX-8350 processor because it was cheap/affordable, but he HAD to have an Nvidia GPU. That was a requirement. GTX 960. People aren't just going to jump ship even if Polaris is all around better by a couple percent. They'll get their preferred brand.

Nothing about Polaris indicates it is anything special so far.

I'm not going to try and talk for others. I have a ceiling of $300 for a GPU. I will buy a $250 one if it'll do the job and I can't find something better at $300, but I won't buy a $380 one. $300 is it. No more. That's the value I put on a card. I'm not going to play this silly game with continuous price escalation.

 

[Silverforce11]

Food for thought.

When was the last time AMD had a node jump and a new architecture?

GCN on 28nm, correct?

What's Polaris 10 similar to in size and market target? Pitcairn.

Just take a look at the 7870, compare that against the GTX 580 (Big Fermi) and 6970 (Hawaii for it's time).

I'll make it easy for you.

^ Reference 7850 and 7870. Basically 2 SKUs that Polaris 10 will undoubtedly have something similar. Note, there were custom 7870 that were 10% faster.

 

[3DVagabond]

there was a study that showed people had a part of their brain stimulated as religious people when it comes to brand names. it was conducted on apple fans. you can easily google it.

it is pretty scary. it is akin to brain washing like religions.

And because it was on the internet it must be true.