AMD or INTEL?

[fstime]

Once the Dothan hits the desktop market, intel will be back and challange AMD's A64.

 

[Markfw]

Geesh... Another Intelia ? Dothan is good in many areas, expecially what it was designed for, the laptop. In many areas, it is very weak, and does not compete with the A64 overall.

 

[dmens]

The first desktop P-M is Conroe. It should do pretty well.

 

[RobCur]

Intel is a bunch of thieves and liars, they've stolen 8k from me in the year 2002 when I invested in them. They have my money and so I hate them, I dispies them for what they are, a bunch of crooks stealing money from righter under your nose.
I hope they burn in hell for eternity, my rage and anger will put them out of business in 2005
F**k intel
F*** intel
F*** intel

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[RobCur]

Intel is evil, much worse then Robin Hood. He stole from the rich to give to the poor but intel is the opposite, steals from the poor to give to the rich.
They will never get away with it, they will go out of business slowly in 2005 and should cease to exist by 2006. I put a curse on them, I scream *foul*.
Laugh all you want Intel fanboys, I kid you not.

 

[WA261]

@ 3.2Ghz on an AMD....I would have to say I pretty much stomp anything Intel in most cases. It would take an Intel at prob 4.5Ghz (or more) to match me..heheh So, IN MY CASE> AMD for sure.

 

[Chode Messiah]

killer rig wa261

 

[Sentential]

The only true advantage to intel at this moment is overclocking. The 600 series provide a cheap and easy way to exceed the EE speeds and therefor equal their top-of-the-line chip. As per this example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/superpi.jpg

While its not much cheaper than buying a 3700+ then clocking it up, you atleast gain hyperthreading with intel

 

[pcmax]

Originally posted by: RobCur
Intel is evil, much worse then Robin Hood. He stole from the rich to give to the poor but intel is the opposite, steals from the poor to give to the rich.
They will never get away with it, they will go out of business slowly in 2005 and should cease to exist by 2006. I put a curse on them, I scream *foul*.
Laugh all you want Intel fanboys, I kid you not.

And then AMD will be the next Intel, "I kid you not."!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Sentential
The only true advantage to intel at this moment is overclocking. The 600 series provide a cheap and easy way to exceed the EE speeds and therefor equal their top-of-the-line chip. As per this example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/superpi.jpg

While its not much cheaper than buying a 3700+ then clocking it up, you atleast gain hyperthreading with intel

And I took a 140 dollar 3000+ winchester to 2.66ghz and equal to the FX55 at the tijme which was mid 900's.....

I agree with the last part somewhat....I like the smoothness of the HT but frankly I miss it less and less everyday as I enjoy just being faster at a lot of things period.....PLus the silence of a system with 2 system fans turned off and I still barely reach 50c....I had to clean my P4 almost every 2-3 weeks cause I had to fight it to keep it out of the 60's...Gets a little dusty and use HT and I may hit 66c...and this was with only 1.58v on a 1.525 default northwood...Prescott suck compared to that. i would have to have even better case cooling and higher end HSF then I have now...means louder...

 

[WA261]

Originally posted by: Chode Messiah
killer rig wa261

Thnx bro

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Sentential
The only true advantage to intel at this moment is overclocking. The 600 series provide a cheap and easy way to exceed the EE speeds and therefor equal their top-of-the-line chip. As per this example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Sentential/superpi.jpg

While its not much cheaper than buying a 3700+ then clocking it up, you atleast gain hyperthreading with intel

And I took a 140 dollar 3000+ winchester to 2.66ghz and equal to the FX55 at the tijme which was mid 900's.....

I agree with the last part somewhat....I like the smoothness of the HT but frankly I miss it less and less everyday as I enjoy just being faster at a lot of things period.....PLus the silence of a system with 2 system fans turned off and I still barely reach 50c....I had to clean my P4 almost every 2-3 weeks cause I had to fight it to keep it out of the 60's...Gets a little dusty and use HT and I may hit 66c...and this was with only 1.58v on a 1.525 default northwood...Prescott suck compared to that. i would have to have even better case cooling and higher end HSF then I have now...means louder...

And the EEs are crap. Even a cheap 3400+ will easily crap a 3.4EE.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Duvie
And I took a 140 dollar 3000+ winchester to 2.66ghz and equal to the FX55 at the tijme which was mid 900's.....

Well there in lies the problem. You can argue the semantics all you want. However you will NEVER have an FX55. Why? Because you are stuck with 512kb. There is no "equal" nonsense unless you have a San-Diego and access to the full 1MB.

In some cases you *might* be as fast or faster, but its still never going to be an FX. With a 600 you can honestally say you have an EE if you clock it past 3.77 because it has the full amount of cache.

At the *true* price point, ie $344 for a 3700+ Diego or $215 Intel 630 or $297 Intel 640, the deal becomes far more attractive than what you would initially see it as.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: Alaa
i dont know y everyone recommending intel for encoding while the difference between intel and amd in encoding is up to 20 seconds!

Well, that's because this encode is a short clip. With a whole movie, the Intel advantage would increase.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: Duvie
And I took a 140 dollar 3000+ winchester to 2.66ghz and equal to the FX55 at the tijme which was mid 900's.....

Well there in lies the problem. You can argue the semantics all you want. However you will NEVER have an FX55. Why? Because you are stuck with 512kb. There is no "equal" nonsense unless you have a San-Diego and access to the full 1MB.

In some cases you *might* be as fast or faster, but its still never going to be an FX. With a 600 you can honestally say you have an EE if you clock it past 3.77 because it has the full amount of cache.

At the *true* price point, ie $344 for a 3700+ Diego or $215 Intel 630 or $297 Intel 640, the deal becomes far more attractive than what you would initially see it as.

Whose arguing semantics???? All I am saying is not only Intel can you buy a lower chip and surpass or equal the performance of the flagship processor...Hell I would beat that 3.73ghz as well according to the benches....Who cares....Some get higher then me but I also dont see a 140 dollar 6xx series of chips...I see 210+ 630's...or 3ghz....Boy somehow I am not surprised you can get a 770mhz OC out of it. Since an OC in the P4 means less then a 866mhz OC of an AMD I still say best bang for the buck is the winchester venice 3000+ and no cpu from Intel.....

By the way how come I cannot find the 3.73EE anywhere on pricewatch??? Only can be bought through OEM makers??? or another paper launch CPU...I cannot find it at newegg either..What is this chip???

 

[n7]

I have to admit i love seeing Duvie arguing in favor of AMD, especially since i remember his fondness for Intel in the past

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: n7
I have to admit i love seeing Duvie arguing in favor of AMD, especially since i remember his fondness for Intel in the past

NO one should ever be able to accuse me of brand loyalty....I roll with the punches and stand by the best architecture in terms of performance and cost and right now for the last 6 months or so it has been a no-brainer for me...I dont see that changing for the next 6 months at least...

If Intel came out with something better and it was cost effective for me to switch and I tested it and it was a top performer I would spread that word as well....

Intel prescott was crap and I recognized it from the beginning..Intel's dual core was as uninspiring as I thought and predicted it would be..(remember how zebo and I predicted that the Multimedia crown would come to AMD and performance leads would flip)...I may be impressed with its P4-M dual core derivative but I will have to wait and see....

 

[Intelia]

http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/systems/review_2005-04-13a.html


Maybe the Prescott is more alive than I thought!

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: theman
it doesnt really matter as long as your cpu is cold with solution

The crystals are forming! The crystals are forming!

 

[Shenkoa]

I am nuetral here, I have a P4 and I have had plenty of experience with AMD.

At the moment, AMD is leading in both raw speed and technology and thats a fact not an opinion.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Geesh... Another Intelia ? Dothan is good in many areas, expecially what it was designed for, the laptop. In many areas, it is very weak, and does not compete with the A64 overall.

Hay I was just reading minding my own business you brought me in.
Number1 Toms is and always has scewed towards Intel thats just a FACT.
But it is still an interesting reading .
Number2 Many people believe that Anand's is bios towards not only AMD but also OCZ.
I personnally get much good reading at Anand's thats what counts.
Take the last M/B review Anand did of Asus intel 955 M/B I thought it was the best review I have seen of this Board yet by far. Yet it was indeed flawed . The Corsair PC 5400 UL can be Run at 3-2-2-8 not 4-2-2-4 This would have impacted the results. Another question is this Ram has been available for ! month yet Anand has not done a review of it . I question this. But there may be a fair explansion for this I don't know.
Doesn't matter I still get really good information from Anand"s reviews and that is the bottom line.

http://www.maximumpc.com/reviews/systems/review_2005-04-13a.html

 

[Emultra]

AMD, man. Price, performance, temps.

For high-end, the FX series.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Intel can't win P/P, it's impossible for overclockers

X2 PR ratio is around 1.65:1 meaning you clock an X2 to 2800Mhz (read trivial) you need a D @ 4620Mhz to match (read impossible)

Really nice math but as you can see from recent reviews there seems to be a flaw in your formula.

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Intel can't win P/P, it's impossible for overclockers

X2 PR ratio is around 1.65:1 meaning you clock an X2 to 2800Mhz (read trivial) you need a D @ 4620Mhz to match (read impossible)

Enlight of recent O/C of AMD's And intels Dual core releases and Intel latest decision to allow warranty parts O/C to manufactors there seems to be a flaw in your formula.

 

[Appledrop]

Originally posted by: Intelia

Originally posted by: Zebo
Intel can't win P/P, it's impossible for overclockers

X2 PR ratio is around 1.65:1 meaning you clock an X2 to 2800Mhz (read trivial) you need a D @ 4620Mhz to match (read impossible)

Enlight of recent O/C of AMD's And intels Dual core releases and Intel latest decision to allow warranty parts O/C to manufactors there seems to be a flaw in your formula.

In light of your recent posts, there seems to be a flaw in your brain.