If the duron 700 (kt133a) if far better than a p3-500(apollo 133), that is my question, in overall preformance, in games, bla, bla, bla.
You are going to get a performance increase in your games but its not going to reach the 50% mark like you want until you get faster video card. My guess is you would achieve a 15-25% gaming increase.
In games I would be suprised to see a 10% gain in most games. Games rely on the video card and the processor the TNT 2 Ultra was designed for 500 mhz processors and is not waiting for the processor so there for a new faster processor will be hampered by the Video card and not give you a good bang for the buck. I video card would be a better up grade and than a Processor and Motherboard later at least at games.
<< In 3dmark P-3 rule in overall score. >>
Please show me a P3 beat a Tbird 1200MHz in 3Dmarks using the same vid. card
no I didn't think so<< For AMD, use one of the new KT133A boards, but not the Soltek one. It sucks. >>
I beg to differ.. from my personal experience the soltek KT133A board is an excellent board, the reviews I've read seems to agree with me
well, look, my point in this thread is to find out if the Duron is a better bet than a p3-500 (mine). I know that games need, of course, a good video card, no mather what CPU has the system. But, for example, in Sisoft Sandra, it only benchmark the system, memory, motherboard, CPU, not the gaming part, like video card, etc. So, my real question (finally) is: The Duron 700@900 with an Asus A7V is far better in preformance than my P3-500 with a Soyo 6vba 133 (using the same video card in both systems)??, there will be a different like 50% betwen thos systems (using 128 ram)??
thanks, and please, try to be objective
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thanks, and please, try to be objective
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well of coarse why would you ask daaaaaaa I don't know about 50% but most likely close. But so would just throwing in a 700E P-3
LOL @ NOS
why don't you show me... I own neither a Tbird1200 (though I could cos they're dirt cheap) nor a PIII 1000, so I can't do a firsthand compare myself.... however if I may direct your attention to this link http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/amd_thunderbird_1x2ghz/6.shtml you will clearly see the Tbird1200 outpreform the PIII 1000 in 3Dmark 2000 (the Tbrid 1200 is only beaten by the phantom PIII 1133) the site is pretty much as Intelbiased as you get without going to Intel.com.
why don't you show me... I own neither a Tbird1200 (though I could cos they're dirt cheap) nor a PIII 1000, so I can't do a firsthand compare myself.... however if I may direct your attention to this link http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/amd_thunderbird_1x2ghz/6.shtml you will clearly see the Tbird1200 outpreform the PIII 1000 in 3Dmark 2000 (the Tbrid 1200 is only beaten by the phantom PIII 1133) the site is pretty much as Intelbiased as you get without going to Intel.com.
LOL@Zephyr
sure it will but that not a fair comparision I think that the people here are not talking about buying a 1.2 ghz there talking about lesser and equally clocked CPUs and Clock for Clock the P-3 beats the Tbird in 3Dmark and in most games in office apps and some Open GL development software the T-bird is faster.Its funny that a 1.13 P-3 even beats a 1.2 ghz and a Oced to 1.2 ghz P-3 would trounce a T-bird badly.
Dexion your correct there the T-Bird hasn't got a leg to stand on in that bench becuase of SSE the p-3 has a advantage. But the same hold true in alot of apps across the whole spectrum of software.
sure it will but that not a fair comparision I think that the people here are not talking about buying a 1.2 ghz there talking about lesser and equally clocked CPUs and Clock for Clock the P-3 beats the Tbird in 3Dmark and in most games in office apps and some Open GL development software the T-bird is faster.Its funny that a 1.13 P-3 even beats a 1.2 ghz and a Oced to 1.2 ghz P-3 would trounce a T-bird badly.
Dexion your correct there the T-Bird hasn't got a leg to stand on in that bench becuase of SSE the p-3 has a advantage. But the same hold true in alot of apps across the whole spectrum of software.
<< Clock for Clock the P-3 beats the Tbird in 3Dmark >>
And why do you suppose that is? because the P6 has a better architechture? *LMAO*
Have it ever occured to you that 3Dmark may be at least slightly more SSE optimized than 3Dnow! .. bottom line is syntechic benchmarks aren't worth anything unless they reflect real world preformance and at that 3dmark does a rather poor job IMHO.
Besides clock for clock is really a quite worthless way to compare, if you compare less than the fastest part availible it's preformance/$-spent that's interesting.
<< Its funny that a 1.13 P-3 even beats a 1.2 ghz and a Oced to 1.2 ghz P-3 would trounce a T-bird badly. >>
What's funny is that the P3 can't do 1133MHz, that what I think is funny
Furthermore by the same means (kryogene I supppose, or at least watercooling or very serious peltier lovin') required to O/C a P3 to speeds like 1200MHz, you'd get 1400-1500Mhz out of the Tbird.. AMD wins again!Zephyr Please READ WHAT I SAID I already stated that SSE is what makes the P-3 win and yes SSE is part of the architechture of the P-3. What I think is funny is the t-bird can't do 1.5 LOL your guy's a;; know in the end Intels P-4 is going to trounce the T-Bird just give it some time. The t_bird is already at it End in clock speed they will never kaap up. Go away you AMD zealot.AMD is on the losing end these days dude !!!!!!! and its only going to get worse !!!!!!!!
SSE and E3Dnow! is pretty much on equal architechtureally speaking... you can argue that SSE is better supported in software but not that it is an architechral advantage the P3 holds over the Tbird
the Tbird can't do 1500? yes it can... if you use a Tbrid 1200 on a KT133A board and some serious cooling (I'm talking really serious, like kryo) I'd say it's more than likely to do 1500.
P4.. time will not correct the serious designflaws in that cpu (unless they redesign it, which might not be such a bad idea *LOL*)
the Tbird can't do 1500? yes it can... if you use a Tbrid 1200 on a KT133A board and some serious cooling (I'm talking really serious, like kryo) I'd say it's more than likely to do 1500.
P4.. time will not correct the serious designflaws in that cpu (unless they redesign it, which might not be such a bad idea *LOL*)
Yea serious cooling is AMD going to start shipping the T-bird with a refridgerator to compete with Intel.
What most people don't understand about the P-4 is that the design is the only way intel or AMD will achieve the clock speed we are all looking for. Watch AMD follow suit like always and run a longer pipe line to get there clock speeds up to par. Mark my words.
3Dnow is dead dude AMD let it die 3Dmark 200 is a classic example of it as is Quake 3. they both have support for both and SSE tromps 3Dnow in the ground better brute force T-bird can't touch intels weaker P-3 to funny !!!!!! Why do you think AMD is saying they are going to build SSE 2 into ther next processor. Simple they are not able to match Intel engineering Prowess and Dollars Period.
What most people don't understand about the P-4 is that the design is the only way intel or AMD will achieve the clock speed we are all looking for. Watch AMD follow suit like always and run a longer pipe line to get there clock speeds up to par. Mark my words.
3Dnow is dead dude AMD let it die 3Dmark 200 is a classic example of it as is Quake 3. they both have support for both and SSE tromps 3Dnow in the ground better brute force T-bird can't touch intels weaker P-3 to funny !!!!!! Why do you think AMD is saying they are going to build SSE 2 into ther next processor. Simple they are not able to match Intel engineering Prowess and Dollars Period.
When did I say AMD was going to ship anything with kryo? I was talking about O/C.. (which you brought up when you started to talk about a P3 1200)
ah.. yes clockspeed.. clockspeed is worth nothing in itself if preformance halts after lower clocked counterparts. The P4 could have been a great cpu if Intel hadn't paniced over AMD ripping into their marketshares and rushed a crippled chip out the door.
ah.. yes clockspeed.. clockspeed is worth nothing in itself if preformance halts after lower clocked counterparts. The P4 could have been a great cpu if Intel hadn't paniced over AMD ripping into their marketshares and rushed a crippled chip out the door.
The p-4 whipps anything that AMD has where it counts in the apps its not doing well anyone with half a brain doesn't care about !!!!
The only thing wrong with the release of the P-4 is its a costly upgrade. With Power Supply and case and Rdram (which prices are good for now) and the horrible Motherboard price.
In time you will be crying the AMD blues you Zealot !!!!!!
The only thing wrong with the release of the P-4 is its a costly upgrade. With Power Supply and case and Rdram (which prices are good for now) and the horrible Motherboard price.
In time you will be crying the AMD blues you Zealot !!!!!!
Also we could bring DDR into this too. Its not going to do AMD much good at all they are going to have to find something better than that the benchmarks prove that its not worth the upgrade unlees bulding a whole new rig or they don't know how to impliment it which could be the truth.
hey, hey...please, calm down,... jeeeezz!!!, I just asked for a simple question, not a battle betwen those 2 cpu manufacters. I thought of changing my system to a Duron 700, because I was thinking in the future. If I bought a KT133A motherboard, the thing will be up-to-date- to the end of this year (the new athlon core, and also the morgan core). But since I don`t have much mony to spent in a 1ghz system (Here in my country, chile, the Tbird of 1ghz cost at lease 500 dolars), so thats why am asking a simple question in preformance of the duron and the p3, doesn`t matter in which program (3dmark200, sisoft sandra2001, etc.), Im talking in general. So thats why am askinf if duron 700 @ 900 is a better choice than a p3-500 in overall preformance... it is better in 50%???,
well, thanks
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well, thanks
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<< The p-4 whipps anything that AMD has where it counts in the apps its not doing well anyone with half a brain doesn't care about !!!! >>
The P4 holds an advantage in two applications per se:
1) Q3A - due to the 400Mhz FSB combined with good SSE vs. poor E3Dnow! optimizations
2) FlasK - because Intels engineers wrote an optimzed version, while AMD is running an unoptimized... however the AMD version being worked on is gettng really close in it's beta stages, even with just basic E3Dnow! implementation and/or optimization for the K7's FPU architechture.
<< The only thing wrong with the release of the P-4 is its a costly upgrade. With Power Supply and case and Rdram (which prices are good for now) and the horrible Motherboard price. >>
It's Intel what did you expect... that it's something people could afford without selling their firstborn???
<< In time you will be crying the AMD blues you Zealot !!!!!! >>
Are we back to that "Zealot" crap again ... honestly NOS we've heard that tune before it's getting rather old.
<< Also we could bring DDR into this too. Its not going to do AMD much good at all they are going to have to find something better than that the benchmarks prove that its not worth the upgrade unlees bulding a whole new rig or they don't know how to impliment it which could be the truth. >>
You're the one going on about how the P4 will improve once it matures... well so will DDR.
Besides DDR is doing a helluva lot better than RDRAM so what's your point?
Duron and T-Bird 750 will overclock to 1GHz in a breeze! 600 takes a little bit of messing around to get to that but most will go. Just remember to have a good enough HSF combo too keep things cool and running in the 40C
SKY.
SKY.
<< Yea serious cooling is AMD going to start shipping the T-bird with a refridgerator to compete with Intel. >>
Actually your wrong, AMD knows and has been solving this problem. Palomino will release soon, and its likely to reduce the overall power consumption and heat by 20-30%. This will improve yields to reach a lot higher clock rates along with thier 0.13 manufacturing process that will be used in future AMD based processors.
Rumors has it that AMD is working with a California-based Isonics company to use a "super silicon" that would reduce heat significantly. A prototpe 1Ghz Athlon was reduced 35'C with this process enough to use passive cooling(fanless).
'Super silicon' outfit confirms AMD link
Although the company has confirmed it, AMD has yet to acknowledge this. Undoubtedly, AMD is dealing with the heat, and its most likely able to run at much higher clock rates.
Kintoke don't worry about it this is what always happens around here we actually find these debates fun or at least I do. I will never get over how people read just what they want to hear and ignore all other facts and won't take the truth to be what it is. processors like the P-4 are the wave of the future and thats all there is to it. So everyone brace yourself.
Zephyr we all now that SE is the end all of review sights(when its to your benifit)
no comments on the lack luster performance of DDR ???
Zephyr we all now that SE is the end all of review sights(when its to your benifit)
no comments on the lack luster performance of DDR ???
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