AMD or Intel?, what way should I go??

[Zephyr]

<< Kintoke don't worry about it this is what always happens around here we actually find these debates fun or at least I do. I will never get over how people read just what they want to hear and ignore all other facts and won't take the truth to be what it is. >>


that's an interesting comment comming from you


<< processors like the P-4 are the wace of the furue and thats all there is to it. So everyone brace yourself. >>


Not in my future I'll take a Palomino or Hammer instead


<< Zephyr we all now that SE is the end all of review sights(when its to your benfit) >>


uhm.. sure (I don't understand a word so I'll just nod my head and smile)


<< no comments on the lack luster performance of DDR ??? >>


NOS get a grip.. I said DDR will improve as chipsets mature. Besides with that little pricepremium over PC133 why not go with DDR when buying new mobo and ram?

 

[NOS440]

Zepkyer &quot;NOS get a grip.. I said DDR will improve as chipsets mature. Besides with that little pricepremium over PC133 why not go with DDR when buying new mobo and ram?&quot;

I believe that is what I said its not a bad idea to have it if your already building a new system. But not at all compelling as a upgrade !!! %5 performance increase what a joke finally clock for clock the T-bird is on par with a P-3 LOL!!!!!!!

 

[Zephyr]

<< I believe that is what I said its not a bad idea to have it if your already building a new system. But not at all compelling as a upgrade !!! %5 performance increase what a joke finally clock for clock the T-bird is on par with a P-3 LOL!!!!!!! >>



The Tbird SDR outpreforms the P3 ... DDR just increases the lead it already has. (yes I do realize I didn&oslash;t back this up with a single piece of evidence, but neither did NOS his statement)

If AMD sucks so bad how come they've grapped 38% of the market away from Intel, care to explain?!?!

 

[NOS440]

Clock for clock your dreaming its tit for tat in most apps and that is the facts.

 

[NOS440]

they have not taken 38% of Intels business they took up intels slack intel sold more chips in 2000 than ever by a sizeable %. They sell every chip they make at near 100% production. If intel had 10 more factories they would sell those out too !!!

 

[Zephyr]

Allow me to quote JC

&quot;Anyway, I was told the other day that AMD has captured 38% of the retail consumer market.&quot;

no I do realize that is not all of Intels chip business...



<< they took up intels slack intel sold more chips in 2000 than ever by a sizeable %. They sell every chip they make at near 100% production. >>



seems to me like you fail to understand the context here. See the reason AMd was able to capture any part of the market was by putting pressure on Intels yields. Everybody knows Intel has been playing catch up in the high-end retail market. When everybody sells everything they can make it becomes a matter of ASP and profit margins.

 

[Dexion]

Zephyr: NOS is definately not going to agree/acknowledge/learn from what your saying. Just ignore him, he's a Intel troll to the max.

 

[Zephyr]

Dexion

Thanx for the concern.. I do realize this after my numours battles with him (remeber the Zone NOS? aaah those were the days huh? *LOL* J/K)

...on the more serious note I just think the good people who visit this forum desevers another side of the story than the one NOS provides... I'm sure the feeling is mutual

 

[NOS440]

Dexion Yes I'm a Intel Zealot and admit I'd tried the athlon road for 6 months found it to be way to Bumpy !!!!!! At the same time you 2 are both AMD trolls so whats the point ???? You will never convince me of these Ill thoughts of yours anymore than I will you. If I could there would be no fun in all this.

Zephyr Ahhhh yes I havn't forgot the good old day's I had a ball over there even though Ruint_Her didn't appreciate me much LOL!!!!!!! You'll have to admit I think I had the longest threads in there at that time.

 

[Kintoke]

Zephyr: for mWhat I had read, I think (obvious) that you have AMD (dhaaa!!), but (again, and again), can you asnwer me my question (don`t argue with, just answer this time):It is the worth changing form a p3-500 with a soyo 6vba133 to a Duron 700 @ 900 with a MSI or asus motherboard??, I will get a better (much better) preformance if I do this change???.

note: This question is also for NOS440 (please, just answer, don`t argue this time ), and for anyone else who wants to help me

thanks

 

[HardwareAddicted]

Let me have some fun too....!!!

Go with the Duron or maybe even the TBird if you have the cash.

I would guess about a 10%-20% increase depending on what you are doing.

GET HIM Zephyr !!! lol!!

For the record, I have had and still have BOTH cpu's running here....

and I don't see myself buying anymore Intel's anytime soon...let NOS buy them if he loves them so much.

That just leaves more cpu's and more power for the rest of us.

 

[NOS440]

HardwareAddicted you won't have to lose any sleep becuase it will be a cold day in hell before you see me ever run AMD again !!!!! I'd buy a cyrix 3 first and lurk around here with my head hung low !!!!

 

[HardwareAddicted]

I rest my case....

 

[Kintoke]

anybody here in this forum have an open mind???!!!!! please, it just a central question...it is worth changing form p3-500 to duron 700 (possibly 1ghz)???

dhaaaa!!!

(lets make it to the 100 threads!!!!!- no joke)

 

[HardwareAddicted]

Yes, I think most of us have an open mind.

And yes, I think that getting a Duron 600-700 has more potential,
especialy when you hit a gig with it, no contest.

Question: how high can you get the P-3 500 to run?

Yes it has more cache, but that will only go so far.
It won't compete with a 900mgz Duron.

I also think that most people would agree, MOST people.

I hope that you find some answers to your questions here.

 

[NOS440]

you can keep those bonie Durons they can't compete with the P-3 and who cares if they cost 20 30 0r 50 bucks more. I'm not cheap and don't care what something cost if it will do its intended purpose and holds its value. AMD stuff is cheap when you buy it and you have to give it away when you sell it.

 

[Kintoke]

look, If I sell my motherboard and my p3-500, I will get 280 dolars, so I only have to put 80 dolars from my pocket and I got a asus av7 and duron 700. If I bought just a p3-700 or higher, I have to put 240 dolars!!!..so it is worth it??

thanks

 

[NOS440]

Not really go which ever way you can afford if money is tight then what can you do !!!!!

 

[fLicK10]

go to this link...it a duron 750 vs a PIII-700E...the duron won. Since it won, den it means its way faster than dat PIII-500 of yours. And the duron is also cheap, very cheap.

http://www.planethardware.com/features/cpu/duron750/index.shtml

 

[Zephyr]

Kintoke


<< It is the worth changing form a p3-500 with a soyo 6vba133 to a Duron 700 @ 900 with a MSI or asus motherboard??, I will get a better (much better) preformance if I do this change???. >>


YES!


<< look, If I sell my motherboard and my p3-500, I will get 280 dolars, so I only have to put 80 dolars from my pocket and I got a asus av7 and duron 700. If I bought just a p3-700 or higher, I have to put 240 dolars!!!..so it is worth it?? >>


In your case it's pretty obvious, Duron is the way to go. Going with the P3 would NOT be worth it.

Hope my answers are clear enough this time

 

[Zephyr]

<< (lets make it to the 100 threads!!!!!- no joke) >>



that's not unrealiastic ya know. Once NOS and I get started...

 

[Dexion]

Bah! Why am I a AMD troll for just liking them? ROFL

I owned a P3 before(before it fried), I own Celerons, I owned a P2 as well! I built my own Intel based systems and I have nothing against them. They are reliable systems. However your Intel propaganda here is far from the truth by saying that Intel are far superior to the AMD alternative is a lie. Its fine that P3 clock for clock is superior than an Athlon, however there is currently no P3 at 1.2Ghz, and even if there is, the cost for one would never be as affordable as the Athlon.

I recently have gone to AMD because of its affordability. Their performance and their stability has concluded that they are a viable alternative. Their performance is no slouch at all, infact they are just as good as any system you have owned. I know you have owned an older AMD based system with problems, but this is a new platform and a new chipset.

You just have to face the truth NOS, AMD has given us some great CPUs for great prices. I have never seen a high end CPU sell for less than $300 before. AMD has made that happen.

 

[NOS440]

I agree But I am slow to forgive past products that I wasted my hard earned cash on and had to almost give them away 6 months later. The resale is what kills the AMD stuff for me it has None. I think the T-Bird is a fine product I think the Original or at least some of them should of been recalled period along with the Flaky early Irongate chipset again at least some of them. Sorry I never forget a pour Quality product.

 

[NOS440]

fLicK10

better comparision would be a 733EB to the duron the memory bandwidth is to low on a 100mhz bus P-3 at 133 the P-3 would win for sure.

 

[NOS440]

Come on Zephyr only 27 to go to break a Hundred