AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

[3DVagabond]

No actually I don't have a clue. My question was for RS, why do I need to explain it to someone who doesn't understand where I'm coming from and wasn't meant to understand it anyways?

Do it by PM if you don't want others involved, not in the public forum.

Sorry, it was ShintaiDK who posted the 2 benches to counter the 17 I had posted. I confused the 2 of you. My bad.

 

[Skurge]

Sigh..

Resigned to being a lurker.

 

[Silverforce11]

The AMD bundle and value of their products are quite exceptional right now, but you make yourself look every bit like the trolls you attempt to call out when you purposely cite incorrect information. The gtx680 has been ~$450 or cheaper for sometime now.

Excuse me for not digging around for the best deals. Sadly, on Newegg, most 680s are going for >$460 and many are >$500. That's in the region (US) with the best prices, come on over to the EU and see how rediculously overpriced NV cards are.

 

[3DVagabond]

Excuse me for not digging around for the best deals. Sadly, on Newegg, most 680s are going for >$460 and many are >$500. That's in the region (US) with the best prices, come on over to the EU and see how rediculously overpriced NV cards are.

In NZ:
GTX 680 cheapest in stock $518usd (Palit GeForce GTX 680 JetStream)
HD 7970 cheapest in stock $435usd (Gigabyte Radeon HD7970 Windforce 3X)

 

[flopper]

Excuse me for not digging around for the best deals. Sadly, on Newegg, most 680s are going for >$460 and many are >$500. That's in the region (US) with the best prices, come on over to the EU and see how rediculously overpriced NV cards are.

100euro difference with a better card being cheaper here and buying a 7970 is a no brainer.
Problem for many is that at 1920x1080 resolution its hard if not impossible to notice difference in practice.

7970 is by far the best card I ever owned.

 

[Chiropteran]

No actually I don't have a clue. My question was for RS, why do I need to explain it to someone who doesn't understand where I'm coming from and wasn't meant to understand it anyways?

Why are you asking directed questions to individual posters in a public forum? Use a PM if you don't want anyone else's opinion of your question.

 

[Shakabutt]

Lol,amazing drivers, who knew those massive fps drops in BF 3 where due to the driver.

Thanks AMD for making me plop 100 bucks on a cpu for nothing

Also i got + 1000 on my 3d Mark 11 P score with a 7850.

Really awesome.

 

[SirPauly]

NV even said 80% of their consumers don't know or don't bother adjusting in-game settings.

The context was the GeForce Experience and another example of their pro-active nature to try to improve gaming experiences for their consumers.

Nvidia's GeForce Experience: Cloud-based Settings Optimizer

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-experience-settings-software,15491.html

 

[Dribble]

You should see people who refuses to buy AMD because of "poor drivers" as if this is still 2001. Hard to win when you have a customer base this dumb, bonus points for being proud to be gouged by NV like a pig. Don't bring in the multi-GPU issues either when 99.9% won't be using it to begin with.

The reason people still go on about drivers is because they still aren't as good, and with AMD just about to lay off a reasonable % of the driver team they are going to get worse not better. If I were smart I'd look at AMD's somewhat precarious situation, do the math and decide I am more likely to get better support from the green team.

Honestly one of the biggest reasons to buy Ati for a number of people on this forum is to support the company, not due to stone cold impartial comparison of what you get.

 

[wand3r3r]

Honestly one of the biggest reasons to buy Ati for a number of people on this forum is to support the company, not due to stone cold impartial comparison of what you get.

Why don't you show us this stone cold impartial comparison which clearly promotes spending more on nvidia?

Your words are nothing more then NV fanbois rambling without said comparison.

You have a very slight point about what will happen if 15% are laid off, however it's only a thought worth mentioning and then you quickly delved back off into the fanbois territory.

 

[Silverforce11]

Honestly one of the biggest reasons to buy Ati for a number of people on this forum is to support the company, not due to stone cold impartial comparison of what you get.

If that were true, these same ppl who have radeons would also have AMD CPUs in their rigs... sadly for your misguided claims, this is not true, most have intel cpus.

Perhaps they aren't as impartial or immune to reason as yourself.

 

[Final8ty]

From AMD rep

"We are pushing out a new beta, beta 4, some time today. It will be packaged under the same executable as driver revision 9.01.08, probably around 2 PM EST. This beta is primarily designed to fix a crash in MOH:WF on CrossFire configs.

It will not include the Tahiti idle clock fix, as we are still investigating the cause."
http://www.overclock.net/t/1318756/amd-12-11-beta-drivers/70#post_18431422

 

[blastingcap]

The reason people still go on about drivers is because they still aren't as good, and with AMD just about to lay off a reasonable % of the driver team they are going to get worse not better. If I were smart I'd look at AMD's somewhat precarious situation, do the math and decide I am more likely to get better support from the green team.

Honestly one of the biggest reasons to buy Ati for a number of people on this forum is to support the company, not due to stone cold impartial comparison of what you get.

Has AMD stated that they are laying off any percentage of their graphics driver team? Did AMD state that the layoffs will be across the board with no targeting or discretion?

 

[KompuKare]

288 posts and only very few of them on the new driver or its performance: is this a new record for VC&G?

Strange how some NV fans tried to hijack this thread with all this talk of premium brand, quality and so on. In my years following video cards and reviews there have been various controversies etc., but the only one which affected millions and stands totally apart from all the rest.

Hint: I or people I know were personally affected by failing 8600M, nForce 7150, nForce 7150M, two 8800GT and probably other I've since forgotten. All due to faulty Nvidia hardware (bumbgate / Nvidia defect / etc. whatever people want to call it), and in all of those cases they were not eligible for any settlement (unsure if anyone in the UK was eligible actually).

It is strange or luck if a company is able to brush off a minor defect. But when a company is able to brush of the single worst GPU quality issue of all time without much bad PR, you begin to suspect their PR department has made a demonic deal or something.

 

[notty22]

288 posts and only very few of them on the new driver or its performance: is this a new record for VC&G?

Strange how some NV fans tried to hijack this thread with all this talk of premium brand, quality and so on. In my years following video cards and reviews there have been various controversies etc., but the only one which affected millions and stands totally apart from all the rest.

Hint: I or people I know were personally affected by failing 8600M, nForce 7150, nForce 7150M, two 8800GT and probably other I've since forgotten. All due to faulty Nvidia hardware (bumbgate / Nvidia defect / etc. whatever people want to call it), and in all of those cases they were not eligible for any settlement (unsure if anyone in the UK was eligible actually).

It is strange or luck if a company is able to brush off a minor defect. But when a company is able to brush of the single worst GPU quality issue of all time without much bad PR, you begin to suspect their PR department has made a demonic deal or something.

Sadly while you call other posters out, you mention bumpgate in every post you make. Which is also off topic in this thread. So that's probably a new record as well.
Do you consider that your old laptop would be alive and serving you right now if it was not for bumpgate(which you probably blame every fail on) when in reality most laptops are dead or replaced in 3 years. So who has a Agenda ?

Since we heard about these new drivers. One set was released and pulled. Then another 2 drivers were released to help confuse the situation.
Now we are hearing another update to , I guess the beta driver that was released ?
This may be helpful in the sense of a daily build .exe is helpful for programmers and beta testers. For the card owners, it's mostly a confusion breakdown.

 

[wand3r3r]

Sadly while you call other posters out, you mention bumpgate in every post you make. Which is also off topic in this thread. So that's probably a new record as well.
Do you consider that your old laptop would be alive and serving you right now if it was not for bumpgate(which you probably blame every fail on) when in reality most laptops are dead or replaced in 3 years. So who has a Agenda ?

Since we heard about these new drivers. One set was released and pulled. Then another 2 drivers were released to help confuse the situation.
Now we are hearing another update to , I guess the beta driver that was released ?
This may be helpful in the sense of a daily build .exe is helpful for programmers and beta testers. For the card owners, it's mostly a confusion breakdown.

And NV fanbois claim AMD drivers were bad sometime back in history even farther then bumpgate? /ot

As for the reliabilty I guess AMD maybe should have waited a few days to release them, they must have been pretty excited to get such major performance boosts out that they are possibly releasing them a bit prematurely. I haven't tried them so I can't comment on the status of the current beta drivers.

 

[notty22]

And NV fanbois claim AMD drivers were bad sometime back in history even farther then bumpgate? /ot

As for the reliabilty I guess AMD maybe should have waited a few days to release them, they must have been pretty excited to get such major performance boosts out that they are possibly releasing them a bit prematurely. I haven't tried them so I can't comment on the status of the current beta drivers.

Some fanbois claiming something has nothing to do with me, so why quote my post. You are like the 3rd man in, without a point. Except to stand up for a team. SAD.

 

[moonbogg]

I know AMD's cards, at the moment are a better value, but that doesn't matter for me and here is why: I cannot erase from my mind the negative connotation that the name "AMD" has. For me, AMD has tainted ATI gpu's forever with their abysmal CPU performance and the fact that they have gone great lengths to make their brand name synonymous with "mid range" "low performance" "low power consumption & cost" etc. It is a psychological thing for me and I admit that, but I also can't change it. AMD does not equal high end or high performance, so I don't buy their stuff.
Combine this with my brand loyalty to Nvidia and satisfaction with their products, and the fact that AMD is a sinking ship that I want no seat on, and you have a recipe for a customer that AMD can't win over. Call me a troll or whatever you want, but I am not alone here and these are the reasons that AMD is tanking and people don't buy their stuff anymore.

 

[wand3r3r]

Some fanbois claiming something has nothing to do with me, so why quote my post. You are like the 3rd man in, without a point. Except to stand up for a team. SAD.

You were claiming bumpgate is irrelevant, I merely suggested that so are the alleged driver complaints from nv fanbois are also irrelevant. I don't know nor care who you stand for, but simply wanted to point out that the past is gone for both of these old fanbois arguments.

Performance for the $ is my only team.

I know AMD's cards, at the moment are a better value, but that doesn't matter for me and here is why: I cannot erase from my mind the negative connotation that the name "AMD" has. For me, AMD has tainted ATI gpu's forever with their abysmal CPU performance and the fact that they have gone great lengths to make their brand name synonymous with "mid range" "low performance" "low power consumption & cost" etc. It is a psychological thing for me and I admit that, but I also can't change it. AMD does not equal high end or high performance, so I don't buy their stuff.
Combine this with my brand loyalty to Nvidia and satisfaction with their products, and the fact that AMD is a sinking ship that I want no seat on, and you have a recipe for a customer that AMD can't win over. Call me a troll or whatever you want, but I am not alone here and these are the reasons that AMD is tanking and people don't buy their stuff anymore.

Maybe you should give their GPUs a try. Although there's no reason now as you already have 670's for this generation. My 7950 is just as playable as my 670 and the only reason I have a 670 is for physx (7950 being the better value, not brand allegiance).

You need to differentiate their gpus from their cpus.

 

[Rvenger]

NVM

 

[MrK6]

Sadly while you call other posters out, you mention bumpgate in every post you make. Which is also off topic in this thread. So that's probably a new record as well.
Do you consider that your old laptop would be alive and serving you right now if it was not for bumpgate(which you probably blame every fail on) when in reality most laptops are dead or replaced in 3 years. So who has a Agenda ?

Laptops last for a decade+. Nice troll, but that's a pretty poor attempt to minimize NVIDIA's bumpgate failing.

Since we heard about these new drivers. One set was released and pulled. Then another 2 drivers were released to help confuse the situation.
Now we are hearing another update to , I guess the beta driver that was released ?
This may be helpful in the sense of a daily build .exe is helpful for programmers and beta testers. For the card owners, it's mostly a confusion breakdown.

How is it confusing? It clearly labels in each release why they updated a new version.

 

[DrBoss]

Wow, this bundle is awesome... can't imagine anyone disagrees with that.

 

[KompuKare]

Ok maybe I do hold the record for mentioning the b*gate thing, but it's hardly in very post... Anyway, FYI my personal parts were the 8800GT (and my brother's) and this Asus S775 nForce 7150. Still pissed at NV for it breaking just like that. Luckily I was never mad enough to buy a laptop with discrete graphics from any brand. Incidentally, my laptop is an old Thinkpad T60 getting on six years.

On topic: I only have a 5770 so these drivers are of no use to me but while they do seem to have found a few issues over the last few days (different idle clocks, some issues in Skyrim, etc.) isn't that what a beta is all about?

After all, it's still October and I though their release numbers were YY.MM so 12.11 is not due until November. Judging on the size of the games bundle and promotion, they must have had a deadline for its start irrespective of whether the drivers were fully ready, beta or WHQL.

 

[wand3r3r]

This is exactly the reason why I don't even want to post at AT anymore. Comments like this that ruin the overall experience for others. Its been explained many times and it just remains transparent to some. Well Ill just leave this one go for the others and I just want to say farewell to all.

-Rob

I agree with the sentiment it gets old really quickly. The only problem with leaving is that then fanbois (or who knows, possibly employees) run rampant. Maybe there should be an easier way to kick people who are so obviously trolling especially repeatedly.

 

[stylez777]

Some petty arguments popping up here for NV vs AMD. I mean does comparing how much power ones draw really matter in determining what your going to buy?

I've seen people saying that the NV cards are drawing 100w less others saying that is untrue but for argument sake even if it was 100w more draw and it outperformed the NV card who cares? Your spending over $400 on a video card yet worrying about the extra $14 per year (if that) on the cost of electricity? seriously? (go calculate your charges and see 100w more power for 4 hours per day use is only about $14 more per year).

I think this has become something that just needs to be argued for the sake of arguing. The NV is currently making a good chip and AMD is currently making a good chip. This thread started out to show how the newest drivers helped bump up performance and that is a good thing. it has turned in to a penis swinging party about "oh my 680 is better than your 7970 because it uses X power or has Y mode that works in 3 games blah blah blah" it's not necessary and counter productive. I can understand logical price to performance arguments being a factor but seriously guys watts to performance increase is a bit too far...