AMD "Never Settle" 12.11 Driver - benchmarks are in!

[Creig]

Do Anantech forums ever "clean" a forum to remove off-topic etc. posts that are not related to the subject at hand? I could see keeping some of the interesting arguments between different forum members, but it seems to distract from the ability to visit the thread and get information about the original post?

I don't think so. I believe the mods will just chime in and tell people to steer the topic of conversation back to the OP.

I apologize to everyone reading this thread for being one of the people to make an OT comment. Hopefully the thread will right itself and re-focus on the AMD 12.11 driver discussion.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Im glad this thread happened though, it says everything there is to say about the posters around here

Notice how the Nvidia driver thread is nowhere to be seen? Why do you think so? Because AMD fans arent ridiculous fanboys that go into full damage control just because the opposition came out with something nice

And then they have the audacity to claim that this forum is full of AMD shills, lol the hypocrisy is mind blowing, and why I stopped posting here and barely visit the forums anymore

 

[chimaxi83]

Im glad this thread happened though, it says everything there is to say about the posters around here

Notice how the Nvidia driver thread is nowhere to be seen? Why do you think so? Because AMD fans arent ridiculous fanboys that go into full damage control just because the opposition came out with something nice

And then they have the audacity to claim that this forum is full of AMD shills, lol the hypocrisy is mind blowing, and why I stopped posting here and barely visit the forums anymore

Exactly. They're really quite pitiful, to be honest.

 

[Keysplayr]

Im glad this thread happened though, it says everything there is to say about the posters around here

Notice how the Nvidia driver thread is nowhere to be seen? Why do you think so? Because AMD fans arent ridiculous fanboys that go into full damage control just because the opposition came out with something nice

And then they have the audacity to claim that this forum is full of AMD shills, lol the hypocrisy is mind blowing, and why I stopped posting here and barely visit the forums anymore

So no AMD fans descended on that Nvidia driver thread is what you're saying?

 

[ArchAngel777]

So no AMD fans descended on that Nvidia driver thread is what you're saying?

No, not to the extent that you and a few others do.

 

[Rvenger]

No, not to the extent that you and a few others do.

+1 its just a battle arena in any AMD thread. If you go over to OCN, there is actually substance instead of bashing. Mods should just start deleting all the thread crapping here.

 

[Keysplayr]

No, not to the extent that you and a few others do.

I didn't ask about extents. I asked if they did or not.

 

[MrK6]

No, not to the extent that you and a few others do.

Don't worry, you won't get an honest answer nor will anything be done about it. :thumbsup:

In the end, mission accomplished, the thread was derailed because something positive was said about AMD. This forum is a wasteland.

 

[Final8ty]

I didn't ask about extents. I asked if they did or not.

The extent counts because no one expects absolutes.

 

[Final8ty]

Don't worry, you won't get an honest answer nor will anything be done about it. :thumbsup:

In the end, mission accomplished, the thread was derailed because something positive was said about AMD. This forum is a wasteland.

Indeed and i have seen the same on Hardcorp and OCUK in similar threads but at least it did not get out of hand as mods cleaned them up quick.


AMD ramps up its Gaming Evolved program- thread. OCUK.

A very pro NV user and the other pro NV user had his posts and all reply's deleted by mods

Not hating on AMD - but this may be an exercise to put out anything positive they can.

The company was downgraded again yesterday after already having a week or so of rough times since the earnings conference and its looking likely that monday will be a very black day for their share value - even the directors are running scared.

Probably gonna be a lot of denial in this part of the forum but the company is in a very very rocky position.

I'm happy to talk to about all that but not in this thread, its completely off topic and puts a real downer of what is intended to be a positive thread.

A thread for exactly this sort of discussion already exists, so out of respect for Final8y and this threads topic of discussion can we move it to where it belongs?

The NV performce driver thread not a pep from AMD users running in there.

And the same at Hardcorp from another NV user and likewise no AMD users running in to the NV performance driver thread.

 

[chimaxi83]

Yeah, none of us normal people, who happen to be AMD users, went into the Nvidia thread to cry and whine and throw out financial numbers as if it matters in relation to video games and drivers. These pitiful fanboys, however, have to grasp at the straws given to them, and that happens to be financial statements and stock prices.

 

[Final8ty]

Anyway this driver and games really is having an effect because i really didn't expect Rusty to switch over.

With the new drivers for AMD enabling their cards to establish a healthy lead over their nVidia counterparts at the extreme 5760*1080 resolution, I have decide to swap over and actually quantify the difference in performance to give people an indication.

The reasons for swapping was not due to VRAM or any other kind of conspiracy theory. Now was a good a time as any to sell up on the 680's and swap to what I believe will be faster triple screen performance and with the selling on of the old cards and the games, I can actually make money and potentially achieve quite a large performance increase. This is quite frankly ludicrous and nVidia do need to look at their pricing structures if they want to compete above 1920*1080.

There's a real lack of data around on Surround/Eyefinity performance and if you discount obvious bias even less! It's difficult to jump into triple screen gaming without knowing how your hardware will perform so even if this helps one person before they buy I'll be happy.

Testing machine:

i7 3770K @ 4.5 GHz
8GB of Geil 2133 MHz RAM
Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H with the latest BIOS
680 SLI @ 1270 MHz core and ~ 7 GHz effective memory speed
7950 Crossfire - speeds TBC

The nVidia tests were run on 306.23 drivers and the AMD tests will be on the 12.11 beta's.

I will be benching at a high overclock to typify what I will term, your average 7970 overclock. So an overclock in 7970 terms that the majority of people will settle on as not pushing the limits of the card to the extreme with noise/heat and a comfortable balance of performance. So with that caveated you will be able to interpret my results as within a percentage point or two of what a 7970 crossfire set up can achieve on the latest drivers. It's worth stating for clarity that I understand that 7970's may go further but I still feel this is helpful as a comparison of the card above my 7950's as well as a 7950 comparison itself.

Complicated waffle over... Games to be benched:

BF3 Operation Swordbreaker
Borderlands 2
Metro 2033
Skyrim
Dirt Showdown
Sleeping Dogs
MOH Warfighter
Guild Wars 2

Unfortunately my first 680 is departing tonight so I can't run any more than what I have already benched. The 680 results are already compiled and available in the OCUK benchmark thread.

I will update this thread as I go on and then we can discuss etc.
i7-3770k @ 4.6ghz | Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H | Kingston HyperX 8GB | GTX 680 2GB SLI (1260/1750) | XFX 750W XXX Edition | Crucial M4 128GB | CoolerMaster HAF X | 3x BenQ XL2420T (Surround)

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18455827

 

[Arkaign]

Yeah, none of us normal people, who happen to be AMD users, went into the Nvidia thread to cry and whine and throw out financial numbers as if it matters in relation to video games and drivers. These pitiful fanboys, however, have to grasp at the straws given to them, and that happens to be financial statements and stock prices.

Hey, that's kind of offensive I am an Nvidia owner (670FTW 2GB, has been awesome for me), though I recommend AMD GPUs quite frequently, as I have after the price drop on the 79xx hit.

Not everyone is crazy, but saying only AMD users are normal people is a dick move.

I think it's more that fanboys are annoying, of any brand. Price/performance is where it's at. Buying or avoiding a particular product just because of the brand is asinine, ignorant, and makes one look like a total moron.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Hey, that's kind of offensive I am an Nvidia owner (670FTW 2GB, has been awesome for me), though I recommend AMD GPUs quite frequently, as I have after the price drop on the 79xx hit.

Not everyone is crazy, but saying only AMD users are normal people is a dick move.

I think it's more that fanboys are annoying, of any brand. Price/performance is where it's at. Buying or avoiding a particular product just because of the brand is asinine, ignorant, and makes one look like a total moron.

I think you're taking his first sentence wrong. At least I think so. I don't think he was implying you have to use AMD to be a 'normal person'.

 

[chimaxi83]

Hey, that's kind of offensive I am an Nvidia owner (670FTW 2GB, has been awesome for me), though I recommend AMD GPUs quite frequently, as I have after the price drop on the 79xx hit.

Not everyone is crazy, but saying only AMD users are normal people is a dick move.

I think it's more that fanboys are annoying, of any brand. Price/performance is where it's at. Buying or avoiding a particular product just because of the brand is asinine, ignorant, and makes one look like a total moron.

Lol no man, check the 680 in my sig I meant normal people who also happen to be AMD users, because there are some rabid AMD fanboys too... I just don't see them here destroying Nvidia threads. But I personally go both ways :sneaky: green and red.

 

[Zorander]

Sad to see the discussions on this thread now is no longer about the driver.

I think the mods should just delete all posts (except the OP) in this thread, lock the thread and perhaps sticky it for a while.

Everyone gets to make up their own mind (by reading or experimenting) minus the mud-slinging.

 

[Keysplayr]

This forum is a wasteland.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with you.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I think you're taking his first sentence wrong. At least I think so. I don't think he was implying you have to use AMD to be a 'normal person'.

Yup, it was the other way around

And yes, its all about the "extent"... First reply of Balla in this thread:

Wow graphs starting at 90%, that's new for me.

Thread crapping at its best, and hilarious considering Nvidia has been doing the same bullshit graphs for ages
Not a single word of appreciation for the free performance either... In fact he is much more likely to accuse AMD of cheating, because only Nvidia can achieve feats like these legitimately

In the end though, the new AMD drivers offer far more performance than the Nvidia ones do, so the butthurt isnt surprising, especially now that the 7970 is the clear winner, which hasnt happened in same generation since forever

Still blows my mind though, how people elevate companies as if they are some sort of deity to be worshipped, LOL what a bunch of clowns

 

[Keysplayr]

Yup, it was the other way around

And yes, its all about the "extent"... First reply of Balla in this thread:



Thread crapping at its best, and hilarious considering Nvidia has been doing the same bullshit graphs for ages
Not a single word of appreciation for the free performance either... In fact he is much more likely to accuse AMD of cheating, because only Nvidia can achieve feats like these legitimately

In the end though, the new AMD drivers offer far more performance than the Nvidia ones do, so the butthurt isnt surprising, especially now that the 7970 is the clear winner, which hasnt happened in same generation since forever

Still blows my mind though, how people elevate companies as if they are some sort of deity to be worshipped, LOL what a bunch of clowns

Still unclear why you need to compare the new AMD driver to the new Nvidia driver. That doesn't make much sense. And as for Balla, why don't you just ignore?
As for the clown comment? Well, pot kettle black comes to mind. Sorry.

 

[exar333]

Lol no man, check the 680 in my sig I meant normal people who also happen to be AMD users, because there are some rabid AMD fanboys too... I just don't see them here destroying Nvidia threads. But I personally go both ways :sneaky: green and red.

All the following threads have been and will be destroyed by fanbois on one side or the other:

Compute
AMD : It's ESSENTIAL (circa 2010-2012); It's stupid (circa 2007-2009)
NV : It's stupid (circa 2012); It's essential (before 2012)

3D
NV : It's great! Immersive
AMD : It's only in a few crappy games and sucks

Multi-Monitor Gaming
AMD : We have had it for years and it used to be great
NV : It sucked back then and only NV games work on it...

Gaming (In-general)
NV : These cherry-picked titles are all that matters; just so happens NV crushes in benches for them.
AMD : These cherry-picked titles are all that matters; just so happens AMD crushes in benches for them.

Power consumption:
AMD : Doesn't matter, I want POWER (when less efficient); Doesn't matter, mine idles better (when idle is better); doesn't matter at all (when the product just sucks)
NV : Doesn't matter, I want POWER (when less efficient); Doesn't matter, mine idles better (when idle is better); doesn't matter at all (when the product just sucks)

-Drivers
AMD : AMD drivers are way better, I/or a friend used to have a NV machine that crashed all the time and sucked. This means AMD is much better.
NV : NV drivers are way better, I/or a friend used to have a AMD machine that crashed all the time and sucked. This means NV is much better. Also, read about all the bad AMD drivers from 10 years ago! That's obviously the same as now...

-Multi-GPU
AMD : These cherry-picked titles have WAY better scaling and driver support. I guess I am just lucky that I only like games that work well on AMD...
NV : These cherry-picked titles have WAY better scaling and driver support. I guess I am just lucky that I only like games that work well on NV...

There, that takes care of a good few hundred threads we could all waste our time posting in.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Still unclear why you need to compare the new AMD driver to the new Nvidia driver. That doesn't make much sense. And as for Balla, why don't you just ignore?
As for the clown comment? Well, pot kettle black comes to mind. Sorry.

It's perfectly acceptable to compare performance between the drivers. Goading people because you are loyal to a brand is not. That's the issue at hand here.

People aren't coming into this thread to compare performance after the latest drivers. They are coming in here with the intent to troll and start flame wars.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's perfectly acceptable to compare performance between the drivers. Goading people because you are loyal to a brand is not. That's the issue at hand here.

People aren't coming into this thread to compare performance after the latest drivers. They are coming in here with the intent to troll and start flame wars.

Why is it acceptable? What is the purpose? What is the point? It's not like you can use the latest Cats on an Nvidia card or the latest Forceware on the Radeon.

 

[blastingcap]

All the following threads have been and will be destroyed by fanbois on one side or the other:

Compute
AMD : It's ESSENTIAL (circa 2010-2012); It's stupid (circa 2007-2009)
NV : It's stupid (circa 2012); It's essential (before 2012)

3D
NV : It's great! Immersive
AMD : It's only in a few crappy games and sucks

Multi-Monitor Gaming
AMD : We have had it for years and it used to be great
NV : It sucked back then and only NV games work on it...

Gaming (In-general)
NV : These cherry-picked titles are all that matters; just so happens NV crushes in benches for them.
AMD : These cherry-picked titles are all that matters; just so happens AMD crushes in benches for them.

Power consumption:
AMD : Doesn't matter, I want POWER (when less efficient); Doesn't matter, mine idles better (when idle is better); doesn't matter at all (when the product just sucks)
NV : Doesn't matter, I want POWER (when less efficient); Doesn't matter, mine idles better (when idle is better); doesn't matter at all (when the product just sucks)

-Drivers
AMD : AMD drivers are way better, I/or a friend used to have a NV machine that crashed all the time and sucked. This means AMD is much better.
NV : NV drivers are way better, I/or a friend used to have a AMD machine that crashed all the time and sucked. This means NV is much better. Also, read about all the bad AMD drivers from 10 years ago! That's obviously the same as now...

-Multi-GPU
AMD : These cherry-picked titles have WAY better scaling and driver support. I guess I am just lucky that I only like games that work well on AMD...
NV : These cherry-picked titles have WAY better scaling and driver support. I guess I am just lucky that I only like games that work well on NV...

There, that takes care of a good few hundred threads we could all waste our time posting in.

You forgot to comment about PhysX, adaptive Vsync, GPU boost vs. AMD's boost, price differences, and quantity of VRAM differences. And off-topic ramblings about financial performance and shareholder value.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why is it acceptable? What is the purpose? What is the point? It's not like you can use the latest Cats on an Nvidia card or the latest Forceware on the Radeon.

I don't think there is anything wrong with comparing 'performance' drivers released days a part that are released for two very closely performing top GPU powered cards from AMD and Nvidia.

Remember, the title of the Nvidia driver thread is "GeForce 310.33 Beta Drivers Boost Performance By Up To 15%". That is a bit misleading and likely to give a false first impression of what to expect from the Nvidia drivers. Naturally, they'll be looked at as an answer to AMD's driver release, a driver to take back the performance crown, etc.

It is really too bad that some posters tried to paint the Cat 12.11 drivers and negative in anyway, or not relevant. I know I'll take more free performance whenever I can get it... of course I'm not sure it would matter with my Thuban CPU.

 

[Keysplayr]

It is really too bad that some posters tried to paint the Cat 12.11 drivers and negative in anyway, or not relevant. I know I'll take more free performance whenever I can get it... of course I'm not sure it would matter with my Thuban CPU.

It is too bad. And your Thuban? Sorry dude. No hope there.