AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

[William Gaatjes]

Earlier.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/31/intel-e-sim-modems/





It sounds like they were waiting for the eSIM standard before going LTE on the PCs.

This reads a lot like cheaper M2M (Machine to machine) sim chips.

https://www.emnify.com/2016/12/01/machine-to-machine-sim-explained/

The MFF2 is an 8 pin SMT component.

 

[Yotsugi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ipgoh/amd_ryzen_2_set_for_march_2018_launch_on_12nm/

Ah yes.
What is "Ryzen Gaming"?
That's, like, "G" parts (something like 2600G)?

 

[USER8000]

Laptopmag tested both versions of the HP notebook:

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core

Look at the performance and battery life.

 

[krumme]

Laptopmag tested both versions of the HP notebook:

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/amd-ryzen-mobile-vs-intel-8th-gen-core

Look at the performance and battery life.

Ok that test kind of seals the debate about battery life. Its the same.
So cpu and battery life aprox same to a degree nobody can subjectively tell the difference.
Gpu 2-3 times as fast.
Get the amd if its used for light gaming otherwise take whats cheapest.

 

[USER8000]

Ok that test kind of seals the debate about battery life. Its the same.
So cpu and battery life aprox same to a degree nobody can subjectively tell the difference.
Gpu 2-3 times as fast.
Get the amd if its used for light gaming otherwise take whats cheapest.

AMD could have cleared this up by sending out both models to websites like Notebookcheck,Anandtech,etc.

I am still perplexed they seemed to not be bothered!

 

[bakyt115]

https://videocardz.com/74464/amd-preparing-mobile-ryzen-5-apu-with-vega-11-graphics

 

[Jan Olšan]

To me those R5 2400G and R3 2200G totally seem like AM4 desktop APUs.
G suffix is officially supposed to mean desktop + GPU, plus the TDPs do match AM4.

And 2200/2400 is too low a number if the SKUs are for notebooks, given how slower 15W U-chips are already 2300, 2500 and 2700.
Meanwhile if these G-chips are AM4, it perfectly fits into the desktop Ryzen lineup.

So I would say that either the slides contain an error and the "Mobile" part is not supposed to be there, or it could actually be fake too.

 

[krumme]

To me those R5 2400G and R3 2200G totally seem like AM4 desktop APUs.
G suffix is officially supposed to mean desktop + GPU, plus the TDPs do match AM4.

And 2200/2400 is too low a number if the SKUs are for notebooks, given how slower 15W U-chips are already 2300, 2500 and 2700.
Meanwhile if these G-chips are AM4, it perfectly fits into the desktop Ryzen lineup.

So I would say that either the slides contain an error and the "Mobile" part is not supposed to be there, or it could actually be fake too.

Note in slide 35w versions is available. I like that.
Cool products for desktops. Looking forward to it.

 

[Glo.]

About Raven ridge, it appears AMD has lowered number of clock cycles latency in L2 cache in RR, compared to Zen:

https://twitter.com/InstLatX64/status/941279542416760833

Is it a glimpse of what is coming with Zen+ in 2018?

 

[Glo.]

To me those R5 2400G and R3 2200G totally seem like AM4 desktop APUs.
G suffix is officially supposed to mean desktop + GPU, plus the TDPs do match AM4.

And 2200/2400 is too low a number if the SKUs are for notebooks, given how slower 15W U-chips are already 2300, 2500 and 2700.
Meanwhile if these G-chips are AM4, it perfectly fits into the desktop Ryzen lineup.

So I would say that either the slides contain an error and the "Mobile" part is not supposed to be there, or it could actually be fake too.

Those 35W TDP APUs will be most likely the low power desktop versions: 2400S, 2200S. Which also makes absolutely perfect sense.

 

[neblogai]

To me those R5 2400G and R3 2200G totally seem like AM4 desktop APUs.
G suffix is officially supposed to mean desktop + GPU, plus the TDPs do match AM4.

That does not really make sense- why should AMD limit itself to only U-series for laptops, when they have ready RR chips that can be used to fill less energy efficient segments? Also, RR at 65W would be nearing U8250 + MX150 performance at lower cost- it would be a waste not to use them. I'm not saying they should exist in laptops only- same models with minimal changes (AM4 and faster RAM support) could exist in desktop as well.
As for the naming- we do not know what is that 28CU 'APU'. It that is Ryzen Gaming- then AMD would have full range for mobile: Raven Ridge-U at 15-25W, G- 35-65W, and then Fenghuang Raven at ~100W.

 

[Yotsugi]

That does not really make sense- why should AMD limit itself to only U-series for laptops, when they have ready RR chips that can be used to fill less energy efficient segments? Also, RR at 65W would be nearing U8250 + MX150 performance at lower cost- it would be a waste not to use them. I'm not saying they should exist in laptops only- same models with minimal changes (AM4 and faster RAM support) could exist in desktop as well.
As for the naming- we do not know what is that 28CU 'APU'. It that is Ryzen Gaming- then AMD would have full range for mobile: Raven Ridge-U at 15-25W, G- 35-65W, and then Fenghuang Raven at ~100W.

"G" parts are DT with iGPU.
It's not a laptop part.

 

[Jan Olšan]

I didn't mean to say there will be no 35W/45W chips for notebooks. AMD clearly plans them. I'd say the Ryzen Gaming branding might even be used for them. (Assuming AMD doesn't really have that 1700shader iGPU MCM chips - too little clues to take those for granted.)

But those notebook versions of RR should have the H suffix, and their numbering should be higher given that they will be AMD's highest performing notebook CPUs. Say Ryzen 5 2600H, Ryzen 7 2800H (making that up but it could be like that).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Is this a bad sign? I just checked my AM4 board's page for BIOS updates, and they PULLED the 4.10 Preliminary RR BIOS OFF the page! ASRock AB350M Pro4. UEFI 3.30 is the newest they show, but I'm flashed with 4.10.

 

[prtskg]

What's the possibility of AMD releasing desktop Raven RIdge in CES 2018? I'm so waiting to do a Raven build.

 

[NTMBK]

Is this a bad sign? I just checked my AM4 board's page for BIOS updates, and they PULLED the 4.10 Preliminary RR BIOS OFF the page! ASRock AB350M Pro4. UEFI 3.30 is the newest they show, but I'm flashed with 4.10.

They probably marked it Preliminary for a reason Hopefully after they fix some bugs they'll upload a new version.

 

[The Stilt]

About Raven ridge, it appears AMD has lowered number of clock cycles latency in L2 cache in RR, compared to Zen:

https://twitter.com/InstLatX64/status/941279542416760833

Is it a glimpse of what is coming with Zen+ in 2018?

Most likely the latency has just not been measured correctly on Zeppelin.
The SOG states: "The L2 cache size is 512 Kbytes with a variable load-to-use latency of no less than 12 cycles".

Page 25: http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/55723_SOG_Fam_17h_Processors_3.00.pdf

 

[AtenRa]

"G" parts are DT with iGPU.
It's not a laptop part.

According to this slide its Mobile

https://videocardz.com/74464/amd-preparing-mobile-ryzen-5-apu-with-vega-11-graphics

 

[jpiniero]

Could be both.

 

[AtenRa]

Could be both.

Yes they can

 

[bakyt115]

 

[epsilon84]

Ok that test kind of seals the debate about battery life. Its the same.
So cpu and battery life aprox same to a degree nobody can subjectively tell the difference.
Gpu 2-3 times as fast.
Get the amd if its used for light gaming otherwise take whats cheapest.

Are these laptops much cheaper than MX150 laptops? Because if you are at all serious about gaming on the go, an MX150 is the lowest I would consider. My old laptop had a 940M which struggled with modern games even at 720P, I don't think the iGPU on the mobile Ryzens would be much better than that.

Yes it's much better than Intel graphics but that really isn't saying much.

 

[prtskg]

Are these laptops much cheaper than MX150 laptops? Because if you are at all serious about gaming on the go, an MX150 is the lowest I would consider. My old laptop had a 940M which struggled with modern games even at 720P, I don't think the iGPU on the mobile Ryzens would be much better than that.

Yes it's much better than Intel graphics but that really isn't saying much.

According to reviews, gpu performance is better than 940M but lower than MX150. Hardware cost is definitely lower than the laptop with MX150. Cheaper laptops with Raven will be announced too, probably at CES 2018. I assume at those prices dgpu wouldn't be an option. It's just a matter of time for AMD now.

 

[raghu78]

According to reviews, gpu performance is better than 940M but lower than MX150. Hardware cost is definitely lower than the laptop with MX150. Cheaper laptops with Raven will be announced too, probably at CES 2018. I assume at those prices dgpu wouldn't be an option. It's just a matter of time for AMD now.

Yeah. AMD will ramp Raven Ridge in Q1 2018 and with sufficient supply volume I expect AMD RR notebooks to be priced on par with Intel core i7 notebooks without dGPU. It will become a no-brainer for anybody who does productivity and light/casual gaming and needs a decent notebook at an entry level price of USD 600-650.

 

[bakyt115]

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Swift-3-SF315-Ryzen-5-2500U-Vega8-256-GB-FHD-Laptop.275900.0.html

Acer Swift 3 with Ryzen 5 2500U test